10.01.09-The End of Haneywood - D. Bernard New GS
 

There is significant speculation and internal chatter that the GS will not garner the 2/3 vote necessary to continue at the helm.

With the formation of the newest PAC "We Declare", some believe that they may have the wherewithal to form a voting bloc, even in it's nascent phase, and may very well have marching orders from some in positions of influence to vote a certain way.

Will the mothership be going to the Mooney?
Or will she settle in Bernardville?

Stay tuned to updates on the business meetings here:
http://www.unitedpentecostal.net/gc2009/news.asp

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Ah, come on Paul....

Alls that happens at the vatican is that the name of the pope changes!

It is still catholicism!

Although I will admit that haney seems to have taken the u pay cash to the left fairly quick! Old urshan seemed to have the nack to hold the cons and the libs together but KH was a polorizing personality that helped drive the factions apaart with his apparent unconcern with other opinions!

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TJJJ, are you saying that if you had to characterize the Haney tenure in one word it would be "APATHETIC"? How so? Instances?

He did not seem apathetic about the "message" in his message last year to the Conference entitled "Upon this Rock".

He seems pretty anchored in the message being the "only thing that really matters" and what "separates of from the rest of the religious world" in this special invitation to the first night of conference.

http://vidego.multicastmedia.com/player.php?p=qpt4347a

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It will be an interesting election tomorrow.

Brother Haney MIGHT be reelected.

But if not, look for three names to be mentioned as his replacement.

Mooney, Bernard and Graham.

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I know Graham signed the wedeclare - - did Mooney and Bernard?

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Mooney and Bernard, no doubt, believe the tenets of WeDeclare, but as members of the upper echolon, it would not be expedient for them to make such a public display, in my opinion.

We do know that Mooney spearheaded the campaign and committee targeting the "emergents".

And unconfirmed sources say Bernard was approached with the concept of WeDeclare before it was launched and gave his "unofficial" blessing.

May I add - Graham, doesn't have a snowball's chance.

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If Mooney gets it, the UPC will have another split. Moderates and especially lib won't have a chance. He'll kick them all out before they have a chance to hand in their licenses. The org will splinter and have even more division ... but once he cleans house, things will settle down.

Not sure how DB would be. Graham I don't see as a GS ... he was my teacher @ Gateway, and I know he's expanded his role since then and is quite popular ... but I still can't see him in the role of GS.

I'd like to see AM as the UPC GS ... but I doubt that would happen.

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:spit

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My personal choice would be for AM...

What is needed is someone with the heart and wisdom of NAU...as someone posted, he knew how to hold the different views together.

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What you laughing for MissB? :)

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I have to disagree, perhaps the libs and cons have polarized but it has nothing to do with his personality.

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Forgive me for not having a lot of faith in that prospect. :D

Personally, if the three names in are Mooney, Bernard & Graham, I'd pick Bernard.

DB's not perfect, but he is a peacemaker, and that's what the UPCI needs right now, IMO.

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The problem was we had a peacemaker, to keep the peace the moderates are always forced to give ground. There can be no peace unless the ultra cons get their way. They forced many out in the early 90's and they will do it again at every opportunity.

This is why water/spirit teaching is being forced down everyones throat as if it were the standard teaching of Apostolics. If the moderates stand up the Ultra cons scream bloody murder. No one is trying to push ultra cons out, they have a history of forcing their views on everyone else and have no problem pulling from the garden those that they see as tares.

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I thought the vote for GS was to occur at next year's GC?

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Kenneth Haney is a fine man, a great leader, but nothing worse than Pastoring Pastors.

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"If Mooney gets it, the UPC will have another split. Moderates and especially lib won't have a chance." Oh really? Hmmm, wonder if he will replace all his singers that wear rings and shortsleeves on his platform. He is far from a conservitive.

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From messages I've listened to, he seems very conservative ...

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lemmme go on record.

The Good and Godly Bishop K. Haney will be re-elected.

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I met KH once. I was very impressed with how gracious and kind he was to me and my family.

The UPC has a good GS and should vote him in again.

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I am so glad the church of Jesus Christ is not a political organization.
All this power play stuff is disheartening.

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Did KH really allow someone to teach the one step doctrine or was that his Dad (Clyde Haney) that did that? I think there was pressure on the Haneys to discontinue allowing divergent views on the new birth to be expressed in their school and it was discontinued.

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Sam is right on this one..... you are way out of the loop if you think KH allowed someone to continue to teach the one-step doctrice at CLC .... There may be those that believed it and remained on staff - but it wasn't taught after LY left.

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And is this man still UPC and does he still teach at the college? If not, do you know when he left?

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OK, I guess you are referring to LY.

I was thinking of when Bro. Howard Goss visited the college in the 1950's at the request of Clyde Haney "for the purpose of teaching his view of the new birth." In 1957 Bro. Goss openly said from the chapel pulpit that he was definitely saved prior to baptism in Jesus name or Spirit baptism. During a class on Pentecostal Doctrine at WABC, where he was an invited speaker, Bro. Goss was asked specifically about his view of the new birth. He was not hesitant in affirming that all "Trinitarian brothers were in the body of Christ and they would all go up together." He explained his view by saying that both Oneness and Trinitarian believers had been baptized into one body. He openly asserted that baptism was "because of" the remission of sins and therefore a post-salvation matter. Phillip Dugas was a student there in 1958 when Bro. Goss made those statements.

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I was at KH's school (CLC) several years ago and that wasn't taught then, so I don't know where you got the information.

If it is LY you're talking about, as other suggest, he hasn't been around for a long time.

Did you attend CLC?

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So when does the vote come up on the floor?

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probably around 10am..central.

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All in favor say yea
All not in favor keep your mouth closed...:ursofunny

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Thee seems to be some confusion around definitions and history. Here are some facts about CLC.

We were taught that one could be justified at faith (declared to be right with God, that is quite substantial, but that is not full salvation, the normative New Birth experience is to repent, faith, baptism in water and Spirit) That is not one step.

They (staff) were honest enough to show that our founders and how some even to the present days had divergent views on full NT salvation and how one becomes a member of the Bride of Christ the Church.

Also it is in the charter/by laws of Christian LIfe College/WABC that Acts 2:38 will not be taught as a Heaven or Hell issue.

Those are the facts, as presently I can't vouch that those things still exist. But up to a few years ago they were still present.

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Keith,

You were a little ahead of me, but other than LY I don't remember any of the faculty ever saying what they personally believed. DS for example would default to what Clyde Haney taught or what some other old timer had to say about the issue. So for people to say there was a one-step teaching at CLC isn't accurate. They did seem to me to be more fair to that position in terms of talking about those who held that position.

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I remember talking to DS and repeating everything that I stated here, this was the position of the CLC when he was there, I also believe that DS position is stated in his wonderful books.

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Haney is reelected!

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Not!

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You're a booger.

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So he wasn't reelected?

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Haneywood ends. Conference voting for new GS