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You know it's the time of year
When witches and ghosts appear
They come at night
When there's no more light
Halloween is almost here
If you look very carefully
There's a spirit behind that tree
But I must say
Don't you go away
Because it might be me

It's that time of year folks. What are your thoughts and/or theories on the following?

• Devils
• Lilith
• Demons
• Inccubi
• Succubi
• Unclean Spirits
• Possession
• Ghosts
• Hauntings
• Witches
• Vampires
• Death

...did you hear something???

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Get you or EM meters and digital recorders!

Get out those infrared camera's!

It's time for an old fashioned Ghost Hunt!

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Count me in! Yeehaw! lol

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1 and 2 are two different words for the same thing, unless talking about Satan. In every sense, defeated at Calvary and regularly crushed underfoot by men and women of God.

3 doesn't exist (leave the Holy Ghost out of this)

4 Could be demon possession, easily remedied by those filled with the Spirit.

5 Can be saved by the Blood of Jesus

6 Non-existent.

7 defeated by Jesus Christ.

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Hey, I added a few. lol

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I actually feel there is much more to ghosts and hauntings then we know. The bible is remarkably silent about the workings if the spirit world.

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:surrender

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Here's what I believe....

• Devils - Fallen angels (includes Satan)
• Lilith - Possibly an unclean spirit
• Demons - Fallen angels (includes Satan)
• Inccubi - Possibly an unclean spirit
• Succubi - Possibly an unclean spirit
• Unclean Spirits - Spirits of the unclean progeny between fallen angels and human kind described in Genesis 6
• Possession - When a Devil, Demon, or Unclean Spirit takes up residence in a person to satisfy it's thirst for rebellion, sin, and debauchery
• Ghosts - Human spirits that are cursed or self condemned to roam the earthly plane until they are set free
• Hauntings - Areas where any on this list might abide
• Witches - Those who are cursed by a generational curse passed down through their bloodline. These have special giftings to curse, speak to the dead, be fortune tellers, ward off unclean spirits, read omens, read minds, etc.
• Vampires - Legend, perhaps a form of unclean spirit.
• Death - Forgetting your wife's birthday. Can be avoided if banished to roam the night in search of a place to stay for the evening.

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Depends on how you read the Bible Randy...

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Not true. Please don't spread lies about witches, they need Jesus so badly and they know what Christians think, and it keeps them from seeking the help they need when God is speaking to their hearts.

Editing to be a little more clear.

Some believe that witchcraft is passed from generation to generation (within witchcraft as well), but that's not always the case. I have no family history of witchcraft, and yet I practiced. It's like this for most of my friends who have practiced, and do practice.

Witches don't curse. Period. They live by "An harm none, do what you will". They take this extremely seriously. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. But it's as safe to say that witches don't curse as it is to say that Christians pray.

Witches are in contact with the spirit realm, this is true. Whether you believe those spirits to be those of the dead, or something else, you'll have to sort out for yourself.

Fortune telling? Do you mean divination? Yes, some witches practice this, but not all. And even among those who practice it, few are good at it.

Ward off unclean spirits?? Witchcraft is about summoning those spirits. Yes, witches exercise a level of control over the spirit realm, but that control is only an illusion anyhow.

Read omens? This is just divination again. Most witches are sensitive to the spirit realm, obviously, or witchcraft wouldn't have appealed to them.

Witches can't read your mind. They wouldn't want to if by some strange chance such a thing was possible. Trust me. But it isn't. People can train themselves to be sensitive to body language and unspoken language, but this is not mind reading. And it's not exclusive to witchcraft/paganism.

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Aquila, seriously?

I'm having a lot of trouble composing my thoughts on this.

This is just flat out ignorant and insulting. lol I'm laughing because I seriously can't believe I'm reading this here.

I'm speechless!

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Nahoke, it's just an old Halloween song from my childhood. No offence was intended. Please forgive me if it offended you in any way.

Many of us speculate and enjoy this topic. I'm sorry if it's disturbing in any way.

Love you in Christ,

~Chris

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1. Devils - Fallen agel
2. Lilith - Jewish Legend
3. Demons - See #1
4. Inccubi - Probably legen
5. Succubi - See #4
6. Unclean Spirits See #1
7. Possession - Yep happens, seen it personal
8. Ghosts - Don't have a real good answer but might be attributed to Items 1,3 and 6 having a gas mind-twisting stupid humans.
9. Haunting - yes. See # 8
10. Witches - Wide variety therof, from loopy wiccans to Bruja's who you really don't want to cross...
11. Vampires - pop culture fascination except for the real human ones who drink blood and pretend they are the real deal.
12. Death - Happens to the best of is. Good thing we have an out

You all forgot Faerie, the Sidhe. Probably 1,3 and 6 again. Those guys really get around...


UFO's anyone, any Alien abductees here?

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What about Bigfoot? Thats the really important question!

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Inccubi
Succubi

Never heard of these???

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My grandmother was raised in the hills of West Virginia. She taught me most of what I know about witches because it runs in our family. There are a number of close friends of that side of the family who are also witches. Here’s my understanding based on what I’ve personally seen and been told by them.

Many don’t realize that there are several types of witches, but only one is a true “witch”.

For example, you have people who are just eccentric and claim to be a witch, but are actually, well, nothing but searching souls trying to carve out their spiritual niche.

You also have what most today might call a “wiccan”. These are relatively harmless folk who frequent occult stores, buy occult books, practice learned and read occult practices, wear the crystals, often dress “earthy”, and honestly - they are relatively harmless. These folks are searching and just need Jesus. They call themselves witches and want to be seen as witches, but real witches often call them “dabblers”.

And lastly there are true “witches”. These individuals have it in their blood. It’s a family trait (or curse) that’s passed down through their generations. Often in childhood they begin to show signs that they are indeed “witches”. For example, when my grandmother was a young child she saw spirits and they often told her things that no one could know. She’d blurt it out or share it and embarrass people or shock people. Sometimes she’d play with her dolls (each representing a member of the family) and play out an event with the dolls, days before it happened in real life. She would also talk to trees and animals. She also regularly spoke to the dead. These children are often spotted by the older adults with the “gift” or who know of the gift. They refer to this as having the “anointing”. Much of their lingo sounds Christian on the surface but their spiritual power isn’t generated from Christ. They often engage in “folk magic”. For example my grandmother would cut a tomato and sit it on the kitchen window sill to ward off bad luck. Often these “folk magic” customs are personalized or localized. This type of witch can be of any “religion” but their power doesn’t originate from that religion. Many embrace wicca today, but most are “spiritualists”. These individuals find it natural to read the leaves on trees to issue proclamations regarding the future or the current status of people from vast distances. They may ask you to be still and quiet while they listen to the trees or the wind. There isn’t a “science” behind their “magic”. It’s not something you can learn from a book from the occult section of the book store. It’s also not something they “practice”, it’s more just “what they are”. Their magic is powerful, more powerful than that learned by wiccans from a book. In fact this kind of witch can be completely illiterate yet still powerful. These are the ones who have perfected the “evil eye” and other such things. Their witchcraft is based more in the deepest feelings of their soul and they don’t “dabble” with the power, they wield it. They interpret dreams, without needing the aid of any study or reference materials like “dream meaning encyclopedias”. These are the real deal. They are also far knowledgeable about the spirit world seeing that they have lived interacting with it naturally all their lives. Often they are more knowledgeable than “book worm Christians” who know only commentary or what their pastor tells them. In more recent times they’ve often billed themselves as “psychics”…but it is actually witchcraft. These often don’t “choose” to be witches, again, it’s just “what they are”. Only the power of God can set them free. And even after they are free, the trees whisper, and “impressions” from the spirit realm beckon. However, once converted, they make very powerful and dynamic Christians because of their extensive familiarity with the spirit world. Often fellow Christians who are just “book worm Christians” will never understand them or their understandings because what they know is learned from experience not the writings or surmising of theologians or commentators.

That’s my understanding based on my personal experience.

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Nahkoe, I believe you may be defending yourself on this. Many and those you know may not be into placing curses on people, but that does not negate that many do.

On that same note, the way some folks pray it is almost the same as placing a curse on the person they are supposedly praying for.

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That's a little town in Texas! :toofunny

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I have a friend with a similiar family history, but his was indian decent of "witchdoctors". And he confirmed it is passed from generation to generation.

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Is that near Cut N Shoot, Tx?:ursofunny

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I have a friend who read tea leaves and knew when her own sister would die...and she did.

This same person also put curses on people when they did her wrong.

When she got saved, she put all her books on the front lawn and went inside to get a lighter. When she came back outside, all her books were on fire as if she'd put gasoline on them. She never touched them with anything, even a match.

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* insert tasteless wisecrack about uncut hair and magic power *


:)

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No, in opposite directions, but that is hilarious!!! :ursofunny

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Evil. Especially vampires! :lol

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Is it? What about the woman at Endor that Saul sought out? 1 Samuel 28:7

That has always surprised me.

Or are you meaning that there just isn't really any explanations about the spirit world and how it works? :dunno

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Bigfoot used to live there but a chupacabra ate the local brujo and then ran him out of town...

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He was just posting his opinions about what witches are and what they do, nahkoe. :) Not quite the same thing as "spreading lies."

Surely you aren't going to assert that all witches and those who practice magic of any type follow your pattern of the same?

1. There's room for a little bit of a lighthearted approach on this, because people make the spirit world more frightening than it should be (for spirit-filled believers)

2. Conversely, it should be taken seriously, because those who are NOT filled with the spirit of God can be oppressed, seduced, tormented or even possessed by evil spirits.

Personally, I'm not sure what you're objecting to. Your comments on Aquila's posts don't make a whole lot of sense--in the sense of actually proving anything he said wrong. You can speak to your experience, but again, not all witches are the same--right? How do you know that witches don't curse?

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:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

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I know of witches and warlocks who cast spells and put curses on others.

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"From ghoulies and ghosties and long leggedy beasties,
and things that go bump in the night,
O Lord, save us."

old English prayer

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When the crypt goes creak,
And the tombstones quake.
Spooks come out for a swinging wake.
Happy haunts materialize,
And begin to vocalize.
Grim grinning ghosts come out to socialize.

Now don't close your eyes,
And don't try to hide.
Or a silly spook may sit by your side.
Shrouded in a daft disguise,
They pretend to terrorize.
Grim grinning ghosts come out to socialize.

Disney's Haunted Mansion

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Inc - nonhuman entities that have sexual relations with women.
Suc - nonhuman entities that have sexual relations with men.

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Thanks I didn't have time to look that up. Have heard of that, just didn't know it had a name for it.

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What about the gay ones?
lesbucus??? Twinkubus?

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Praise the Lord Bro. Atkinson!

I agree, Devils and Demons are fallen spirits. However “Unclean Spirits” in my experience aren’t fallen angels. Fallen angels are extremely intelligent and diabolical. Fallen angels typically thwart God’s plans; spawn heresies and false religions, and influence regions or entire nations. They, like Satan, are wiser than Daniel. But Unclean Spirits are often very stupid. For example, when casting out a Fallen Angel they will play mind games and challenge your faith. Unclean Spirits are often a circus. You might be casting an unclean spirit out of a person and demand to know if it is still residing. At that point the unclean spirit will speak through the person and say something like, “We’re no longer here!” Of course that means they are still present. Fallen Angels always appear to have a diabolical agenda afoot. Unclean Spirits are only out for personal satisfaction and riotous behavior through human beings. Many Unclean Spirits can’t read, or even speak proper English. It’s almost like dealing with a mentally impaired spiritual being. While Fallen Angels are diabolical and methodological Unclean Spirits often act insane and irrational when provoked. So I see a difference based on my experience with them.

After encountering unclean spirits I began to seek out why they are limited in knowledge, irrational, often stupid, and erratic while devils aren’t. I found something in Genesis 6 that I personally have come to believe. Genesis 6 describes a period of time prior to the flood in which “sons of God” (bene-ha-elohim, or “divine beings”) choose wives from the daughters of men. In the book of Job and in the Psalms angels are referred to as “the sons of God”. Please note, this is from the Hebrew. Many Christians equate it with the phrase “sons of God” from the New Testament indicating the righteous…but the Greek phrase used isn’t the equivalent of that used in the Hebrew and therefore they are not the same. These “sons of God” (angels) took the daughters of men to wife. Most likely these seemed peaceful and benevolent at the time, but soon their children (who were the Nephilim, or “giants”) began to fill the earth with violence. These half human/half demon spawn were violent, irrational, and no doubt lacking intellect. The violence and wickedness that filled the earth was of such a high degree to warrant God sending the flood to destroy every living thing. At this point the fallen angels that left their first estate and cohabitated with the daughters of men were bound by chains of darkness and will remain there until the return of Christ. However their offspring, the Nephilim, were drowned in the flood. There spirits were left to roam the earthly plane. This is because it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgment. However, these beings weren’t exactly human. Also, they aren’t entirely angel, so they were not bound. Being human/demon spawn their spirits were left to roam. Now, remember, these had bodies but since their death they are bodiless. They have an insatiable hunger for sin, violence, and vice. The only way they can live out their desires and satisfy this thirst is to possess a human host. When an unclean spirit finds a man sinning or doing what that spirit desires that spirit will attempt to take up residency in that man to experience said sin. From there the spirit will attempt to drive the man deeper and deeper into sin and vice to satisfy its hunger. Meanwhile… it’s destroying its human host. When the host dies or the unclean spirit is cast out, it will roam the “dry places” seeking to quench its thirst again. If cast out and it returns to a man and finds a way back in, it will bring seven more unclean spirits worse than itself in to increase the chances of it not being cast out again.

There are two ways to deal with an unclean spirit. You can consecrate yourself, fast, pray, and pursue the things of God. In time this will weaken and frustrate the unclean spirit, and then you can pray through and be completely delivered. Or a saint of God can fast and pray and cast it out through the authority given by Christ Jesus. Fasting empties one’s self of self will and denies the flesh allowing one to “power up” in the Holy Ghost (for lack of a better term). When a saint or elder has been properly fasting and praying they are like a sponge that has absorbed the anointing and power of the Holy Ghost, making them a formidable weapon against evil spirits.

As for “ghosts”, I believe that it’s appointed unto men once to die and then the judgment. The judgment hasn’t occurred yet. So what happens in the interim is entirely God’s prerogative and operates in the economy of the spirit realm. I believe it’s possible for some souls to linger on earth and not pass on, especially if they are not saved and if they have deep emotional connections or personal reasons for lingering. I believe that prayer and consecration of a “haunted” location can aid them in accepting death and moving on to their place of rest until the judgment.

I’d vote that vampires are merely popular folk legends.

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Bigfoot is actually interesting. You’ll find that in most regions local folklore of indigenous tribal people speak of a creature like those seen in modern times by campers and the like. I think most photos are fabrications. Interestingly however, ancient folklore (like that among Native American Indian tribes) ascribes a more mystical tone to the “bigfoot”. Apparently shamans used to use talismans and the like to “ward off” the “bigfoot”. I think too many people have reported seeing or encountering “something” to merely dismiss it as imagination. So I’d vote that it may be a type of animal that is EXTREMELY rare and lives in the most secluded wilderness regions. Or I’d go with this second possibility…it’s an unclean spirit. This spirit manifests itself in its bestial attributes to defend wilderness area that it dwells in. This would explain why Native American Tribes treated it more like a spirit than an animal. Also I’d go as far as to say I’d wager that should one encounter a “bigfoot” they could rebuke it in the name of Jesus and it “vanish” or flee.

When it comes to UFO’s, I think it’s possible that they are alien life forms. If so, there would be serious cultural ramifications but it wouldn’t be any more significant than the Europeans landing in the New World and encountering Native American tribes, it’s just in this case we’d be the more primitive society. They’d still need Jesus. I’d like to be the first to baptize an alien! LOL Anyway, it’s possible that these too have a “spiritual” purpose. It seems like alien beings always espouse a “New Age” teaching. For this reason any information on aliens is typically found next to occult books at the book store. It’s possible that these are ancient spirits of deception manifesting them selves as technological using demonic illusion because of our more modern culture. The Vikings claimed to have encountered “spirit beings” who road on flying long ships. It seems these things appear using imagery of whatever technology is current for their day. So, as with “bigfoot” I’d wager they could be rebuked in Jesus name and would vanish or flee.

That’s just my personal opinion here.

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Yeah, evil popular folk legends. :heeheehee

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Nothing Buffy can't fix

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:lol :thumbsup

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Ok, that was funny, twisted but funny.