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10-15-2009 08:07 AM |
Re: Article in Forward
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Originally Posted by rrford
(Post 816824)
Neither. RS wrote an articvloe and quoted another source. But he only quoted a part of the other source that he agreed with and not the ENTIRETY of the work, some of which he would disagree with.
It perplexes me that folks actually think he should quote the ENTIRE work. Just another reason to "dig" I suppose.
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Not saying quote the entirety of the Letter to Diognetus ... I'm saying print the quote in context. This is like taking Deut 22:5 and saying it applies and prohibits women from wearing pants ... but ignore the rest of the verses. Or quoting the part of Acts 2:38 that mentions repentence as a means of supporting a "repentence only need for salvation, nothing else" article. It's incorrect.
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
(Post 816830)
Oh, I see. I think it's perfectly fine to quote a single blurb that supports your writing, as long as its not taken out of context.
It looks like he used it in context, so I don't see the problem.
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Yep, agreed. In this case, out of context.
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
(Post 817018)
I don't think anyone was suggesting that Shaw should quote the "entire" work, but that he should not take something out of context to the point of misrepresenting what was put forth by the author he is quoting.
I'm not saying that that is what Shaw did.
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Exactly. The problem wasn't simply that he didn't write the entire quote ... the problem is context.
RS was writing about culture and Christianity. In the article there were a few sidebar quotes to, it appears, support the articles position. Among the quotes was the oft-quoted portion of the Letter to Diognetus.
Here is the quote that deals with the context of the ariticle...
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For Christians cannot be distinguished from the rest of the human race by country or language or customs. They do not live in cities of their own; they do not use a peculiar form of speech; they do not follow an eccentric manner of life. Yet, although they live in Greek and barbarian cities alike, as each man's lot has been cast, and follow the customs of the country in clothing and food and other matters of daily living, at the same time they give proof of the remarkable and admittedly extraordinary constitution of their own commonwealth. They live in their own countries, but only as aliens. They have a share in everything as citizens, and endure everything as foreigners. Every foreign land is their fatherland, and yet for them every fatherland is a foreign land. They marry, like everyone else, and they beget children, but they do not cast out their offspring. They share their board with each other, but not their marriage bed. It is true that they are "in the flesh," but they do not live "according to the flesh." They busy themselves on earth, but their citizenship is in heaven. They obey the established laws, but in their own lives they go far beyond what the laws require.
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And here is the portion quoted...
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They live in their own countries, but only as aliens. They have a share in everything as citizens, and endure everything as foreigners. Every foreign land is their fatherland, and yet for them every fatherland is a foreign land. They marry, like everyone else, and they beget children, but they do not cast out their offspring. They share their board with each other, but not their marriage bed. It is true that they are "in the flesh," but they do not live "according to the flesh." They busy themselves on earth, but their citizenship is in heaven. They obey the established laws, but in their own lives they go far beyond what the laws require.
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The part ignored, or not shown, is very relevent to any article wanting to give history on culture and christianity.
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For Christians cannot be distinguished from the rest of the human race by country or language or customs. They do not live in cities of their own; they do not use a peculiar form of speech; they do not follow an eccentric manner of life. Yet, although they live in Greek and barbarian cities alike, as each man's lot has been cast, and follow the customs of the country in clothing and food and other matters of daily living, at the same time they give proof of the remarkable and admittedly extraordinary constitution of their own commonwealth.
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The underlined is the reason I believe it wasn't printed in full. The UPC can't print something that goes against a tradition that's been taught as a heaven/hell issue for so long.
It was wrong to use the quote and in doing so, suggest the author is in agreement with the article. |
