Myles Young - Assembly of God Student
 

According to the Apostolic School of Theology website C. Myles Young is completing a Master of Arts in Theology degree from the Assembly of God School of Theology in Springfield, MO.

I would think this association with a trinitarian institution of higher learning would have some Worldwide Pentecostal Wrestling Fellowship members concerned as conservative Oneness Pentecostals tend to demonize trinitarians and AOG's in particular.

I thought this was an interesting bit of public trivia.

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While not the same school as the AOG Seminary, my niece is attending the AOG Evangel University.

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Who is C. Myles Young?

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Oh, you didn't know? Miles is the Pastor of the Rock Church in Sacramento.:gotcha :gotcha

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Oh, you know C. Miles Young. He's the man who walks like this......

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You mean you weren't sitting on the edge of your seat wondering about all the happenings of Miles C. Young? I'm shocked! Come on, these people are important, Sam! Get with it!:ursofunny

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What does it matter? People have been getting degrees from secular colleges, protestant schools and various other programs. Is this really newsworthy?

Perhaps the only things noteworthy, is that he isn't getting his Master of Arts from their church's own sponsored Bible College.

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Yeah, I don't see the big deal either other than it's probably high-priced, academically-rigorous, probably accredited here in the states and by some reputable theological institution - and teaches from a MAINSTREAM Pentecostal theological perspective.

I'd rather save a buck and attend an institution that is inclusive of other theological perspectives and is big in Africa.

Take DBK (http://www.newlifeupc.org/about/our-senior-pastor) for instance -

Bernard's alma mater for the doctorate he's working towards - a ThD in New Testament is with University of South Africa's distance learning program.

Which also offers distance degrees in Judaism and Islamic Studies.

http://www.unisa.ac.za/

Its also pretty cheap.

Priced in Rands.

Even with our deflated dollar. One Rand is about 13.6 cents.

And, it's no diploma mill. It is well respected within the continent of Africa.

"Market research has shown that Unisa is rated as one of the top universities in South Africa (2001) [1] - Unisa qualifications are sought after in the marketplace."

As for accreditation - "Internationally, Unisa is listed in the Commonwealth Universities Handbook of 1999 and also in the International Handbook of Universities of 1998.

On 12 January 2002 UNISA was granted full institutional accreditation from the Accrediting Commission of the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC).

The accreditation lapsed in March, 2007, and UNISA did not pursue renewal."

Why attend a college whose belief statement promotes three Gods when I could attend a fine cosmopolitan institution like UNISA and be a big fish in a small pond?

Where do I register and matriculate?

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CC1, you'd do great as a reporter for National Inquirer.:ursofunny

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Sounworthy, I don't think CC1 is being that gossipy. It is a fair question as MY and his band of merry men condemn Trinnies to the fiery pits of hell. I am certain this is more of a covert mission by Myles to convert the AG's academia to the incontrovertible and plain to see truth. I have know doubt he has made inroads with his schoolmates and has influenced his professors to abandon their pagan theology. Very soon we will hear reports of the long awaited revival among the AG and conflicting stats of how many have been baptized in the only saving proper anglicized name and how many have been born of the Spirit by speaking in tongues. Oh wait, they have the HG, don't they? Anyhoo, kudos to MY for being a city on a hill as a missionary to the churched without the Message. I commend him especially if he is endeavoring this through distance learning and evangelizing on his TV-ready computer. Eternity hangs in the balance.

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I never really thought of Myles Young and even Nate Wilson were ever really among the hard core "ultra-cons." Their's is a marriage of convenience with LB and company, IMHO. If MY ever gets the reins and a free hand look for a rift with the WWPF. His "internet" productions are near TV quality and ready for broadcast.

And... that school in Springfield is a fully accredited and quality educational institution. If he wants to teach at any of Nate's schools it just looks better to have an accredited degree from a different institution. Accrediting orgs look for that among the faculty of schools under consideration. Do they (the faculty) all have degrees from the same institution under review?

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Pel,

I gotta agree wholeheartedly with you on this one about the marriage of convenience, there have been accusations among that group as to who is the "closet liberals" for years, way before the WWPF.

Don't see any problem with the college for the same reasons!

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Bro French got his post grad from Wheaton in illinois what's the big deal about that?

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Wow. Step away from the computer... slowly.

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Soft-core ultra-cons? :ursofunny

Yes, Springfield AOG school is a good one.

No, the faculty has degrees from different places, and schools many of us aren't familiar (except French at Wheaton College).

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It would in my opinion be wrong for an Apostolic Pastor to do such a thing. Preaching these people are lost or at best only partly saved and going to them for deeper learning? No.

Its a shame and disgrace that Apostolic Churches are so shallow they have to pay their adversaries to teach them.

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"Partly saved"? Which part goes to hell and which part goes to heaven? :toofunny

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MTD, are you serious? You get informal teaching from these unsaved heathens everyday! King James wasn't a tongue-talker! Much of the understanding you have about the Word, the life and times of Jesus and even your commentaries are unsaved people. That's informal learning. Why wouldn't you learn in a formal setting?

You suggest reducing your educational resources to a few DKB books and calling it a day? (And do you think he never had "unsaved" teaching HIM!?)

Mentality amazes me. We need much more educated people in our churches, that know how to rightly handle the Word of Truth, not closed-minded ignoramuses that can do a good screaming (and I don't mind boisterous exhortations). We just have a great need for teachers. Desperate.

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I'm liking your posts more and more. Mainly because you're right!

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Ah, but the AOG are not true Trinitarians from what I understand.

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This should go over good.

My kid starts college next year. If she was to say to me.. "I want to go to Bible college" I would fight her tooth and toenail, and I mean places like gateway, tbc, abi.

I will only pay for a real degree at a real college or university. So Miles... knock yerself out...

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Your right as a paying parent :)

I guess it depends on what they are doing in life. If they're going to be a missionary in Africa, a quality Christian University that is well-rounded is good for her. I'm not anti-Bible schools. Martin Luther was chastized for leaving Law School for Seminary. I suppose there is great criticism, but it depends on where they are going in life.

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Just think, I'm going to a Wesleyan School. I can only imagine what my UPCI brethren think of that.

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Vocations in he ministry are God called, not people called, and Jesus' has different qualifications standards than we have.

I'm sure we have different perspective on this, but Martin Luther was a secular philosopher on religious topics.

Prayer, fasting, consecration, the word of God (sans all the interpretations therof) close spiritual relationship to Jesus Christ, the mentoring of a people who are part of that, the Holy Ghost. More importantly the calling of the Lord.

Books and degrees don't make preachers, pastors and missionaries. God does.

And from how I see it "apostolic" bible colleges are nothing more than a really expensive dating service or a "ticket punch" into a ministry position that someone may not be called to or qualified for.And what have they done except turn out a group of leaders who are the architects of the plastic powerless pentecostalism that every one here gripes about?

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One could certainly make their case about the educational bar set at Apostolic Bible Schools.

I have a different perspective for a person who knows they want their life to be spent in the mission field full-time, active and radical. While we are all on the mission field, some are specifically forgoing careers, salaries, corporate ladders and dreams for the sake of the Kingdom. They are leaving fishing nets and family to help reach. God has already called us all. Mat 28:19 is our Commission. All of us. Some have felt God pull them, and I think for those, specific training with how to read, interpret and apply the Word of God are critical. You don't need a Bible School degree to love someone, to pray for someone, to operate in the supernatural, but if you plan to teach, disciple or lead a group of people, you should at least have a strong understand of the textbook for the course.

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Your right, books and Degrees don't make pastors and preachers, but they certainly don't hurt. *winks*

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Besides, even a preacher's income whether Bible school trained or not doesn't change. The purpose of schooling doesn't change one's desire to minister, it only enhances the calling. Paul was no dummy.

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Thank you Michael The Disciple! I posted this thread anticipating just your reaction but to my dismay sensibile reasoning prevailed and until you no one was up in arms over an ultra con Oneness Pentecostal preacher sitting at the feet of trinitarian teachers.

Surely there are more folks out there than you who will stand up for the belief that Oneness folks cannot learn anything from trinitarians! That is one of the foundation principles of old time Oneness Pentecost in the latter 20th and beginning 21st centiuries.

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CC1 do you have access to the alleged photos of Ethel Goss (just saw your signature) that was much discussed?

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sometimes they do

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Your key word "sometimes". I think someone else had already mentioned that truth will stand out if you allow it to. Thanks John.

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Your welcome CCI. I just call them like I see them.

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Yes, perspective is everything.

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I believe there are pictures in "The Winds of God"

I did a search and found this - - thought it was interesting that her book is required for an AOG Theological Seminary class:

ASSEMBLIES OF GOD THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY
HIS PCS 528 Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements
Annette Newberry, D.Min. Fall 2008
COURSE SYLLABUS
COURSE DESCRIPTION
An examination of the origins and development of the Pentecostal and charismatic movements in the 20th Century: formative influences, cultural and social factors, key personalities, centers of revival, theological issues, spirituality, and impact on modern Christianity.
COURSE OBJECTIVES
At the conclusion of this course, the student should be able to:
1. Trace the development of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movements from its biblical
origins to the present day—analyzing the contributions of key personalities and the
impact of major events on that development.
2. Identify the social, culture and theological issues influencing the movement.
3. Analyze early Pentecostal missions strategy—assessing the effect of early eschatological expectations on that strategy and comparing/contrasting it with present
day methods and strategy.
4. Analyze the nature of contemporary Pentecostalism, its diversity and essential unity.
5. Assess the impact that Pentecostalism has made on Christianity.
6. Demonstrate skill in analyzing and evaluating primary source materials and relevant
secondary sources to trace theological and historical development.
7. Synthesize and integrate insights gained from this learning experience in his or her
life and ministry.
TEXTBOOKS
Bartleman, Frank. Azusa Street: The Roots of Modern-day Pentecost. South Plainfield: Bridge
Publishing, Inc., 1980.

Goss, Ethel E. The Winds of God: The Story of Early Pentecostal Movement (1901-1914) in the
life of Howard A. Goss. Rev. ed. Hazelword, Mo.:Word Aflame Press, 1977.

Robeck, Jr., Cecil M. Azusa Street, Mission and Revival. Nashville: Nelson Reference &
Electronic, 2006.

Synan, Vinson. The Century of the Holy Spirit: 100 Years of Pentecostal and Charismatic
Renewal. Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 2001.

http://www.agts.edu/syllabi/resident...fall08_res.pdf

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Speaking of AOG colleges. We do not live but about an hour from J. Swaggarts College.
The buildings are huge and very little occupies the corridors. We picked up a syllabus
of the classes and it was very lacking. Is amazing what people promote as a class for
a Bible College degree.

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dont you mean ALLEGED ultra con cc1 ?

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I guess I was thinking he is guilty by association! LOL!!!

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Jeffrey,

I believe rgcraig is correct that the pic is in that book she mentioned. I may be imagining things but I am almost sure that somebody posted that pic on AFF or perhaps it's predecessor NFCF a few years ago.

Perhaps if Sam sees this thread and these posts he can help. I beleive he has a wealth of historical Oneness literature and may have access to that picture.

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so true so true. kind of, when your in rome/elk grove you do as the elk grovians do,just kidding, i actually like him ! im just sayin.

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Do you wear lace in your hats?