Atlanta West Pentecostal Church Praise Break
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMhJ8k_U7t4

I told ya we have church. If yall ever come to Atlanta, expect this almost every Sunday (smile)

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Awesome!

Love Darrell & Carol!

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And most often at the Thursday night Bible Study!!

We had over 1600 people in church this Sunday between our 2 services.

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Great video! My family and I love Bro & Sis Johns! They are great, well-balanced people. It's good to see the revival at Atlanta West.

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What's a "Praise Break"?

And what does "Oh Ma Sha" mean? That was on the screen at the beginning.

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unknown tongue

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Who is pastor at Atlanta West Pentecostal Church? I really appreciate and enjoy their music and worship!

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Darrell Johns

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Well, somebody ought to interpret! It might be important! :winkgrin

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"Oh ma sha" was put on the screen as an "unknown tongue"??? You're kidding. Seriously??? Say it ain't so, Joe.

And I'm still wondering what a "Praise Break" is.

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It wasn't on the screen - - someone just added those to the youtube.

However, I'm not sure that's in good taste at all. It's like those t-shirts that have "speaking in tongues" phrases on them. I'm just not comfortable with that.

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Whew, me neither. And I'm NOT a tongue-talker at all, but that's INCREDIBLY disrespectful and playing with something serious. So you're saying the "Praise-Break" folks didn't put that there...someone else did?

I remember as a kid, people would say, "See my tie....." and I'm not even gonna finish it. I would always duck for the lightning bolts when people would do that.

And do you know what a "Praise Break" is? I've seen that term before and I'm lost on that one.

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Yes, those silly phrases we all said growing up and thought nothing of it.

"shouldva boughta honda" (but didn't)

I believe a praise break is when spontaneous worship/praise breaks out between songs, whatever.

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I agree.

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Just a little pentecostally for me.

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they do some (in the video)

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One day I'll visit this church and say hi to you in person. I'll be driving I 95 to get home for the holidays-- maybe I can do a detour west for a few hours.

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No. most pentecostals can't get their praise on without a 4/4 beat and big ol B3 Hammond cranking it out.

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You can get the same thing at a rock concert. Some people just want to call it the Holy Ghost.

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Amen.

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You guys need to loosen up a little....
Do any of you attend an ethnically diverse church?

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That's an opinion. Personally, I would not be so quick to be judgemental or presumptive about what they are thinking. There is precedence for praising in conjunction with music. Granted there are different cultures and ways that people are accustomed to praising God. To sit on the outside and assume what they are thinking is just kind of presumptive to me.

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Yes I do. Our congregation is about 40% African-American. Our praise band played music for our city's annual "believers banquet" and we were the only white folks out of about 500 people. We played our style of music and the folks received us graciously.

I have no problem with all that is going on in the video and there is nothing wrong with people worshiping God in a way that they feel comfortable. But, to call it a move of the holy ghost above other styles of worship is laughable. It is just people having a good time. :thumbsup

I prefer to worship without all the crazyness and I prefer more of a rock sound in worship music.

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I'm not sure that anyone was calling it a move of God above other styles of worship. The impression I got was that some people were downing it. Again, I would be careful about jumping to conclusions about it just being people having a good time. In our services at time we do have "eruptions" like this...not planned...not pushed...and most definitely a move of the Holy Ghost. It most often leads to a time of worship where the style of music shifts and people begin to slow down and worship all over the building. Many, many times we have had visitors get prayed through to the Holy Ghost (with tongues :) ) in this atmosphere.

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Light, I'm just saying that this was not a generic conversation about the general state of the apostolic movement. This was a specific video posted by a member of this church. To say about the real, specific people in this video:"This video was not about lifting up God. It was look at us. " is a bit presumptive in my opinion.

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I have no problem with the clip.

I think though that there is a segment of people who would consider this a move of God. I have heard many say, "man we had good church tonight" and they are right, it was good church compared to what they were used to but that doesn't mean God was moving because of all the dancing and jumping.

It is a style of church. Just like 30 years ago everyone was into southern gospel and before that people loved the old hymns.

Personally, I feel that self-control should be expected in church. If the church you goes to dances and runs the ailes then you can do that but if folks are more serious at another church then it is best to respect the culture of the church.

About a year ago we had a young evangelist show up at our church and he wanted to show us how to have a move of God. We hadn't hit the second word in the song and he was shouting and spinning all over the front of the church. Well, he then said that we were a dead church and that we didn't have the holy ghost because we didn't join with him in his antics.

Again, nothing wrong with having church that way but to think it is a move of God and spontaneous is reaching just a little.

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Its our culture to support our soloist by perhaps "slapping the lead singer on the back" at times or even "pointing to the lead singer". I see nothing wrong with that at all. Regardless of how you feel, God was edified and the devil was horrified and because of this musical over 20 souls were baptised in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost. The Bible is very clear in John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. God did the drawing and thats all that matters. If the video was not about lifting up God there would have been ZERO (and I mean ZERO) souls to have been born of the water and of the Spirit.

As for whats a "praise break"? Well, simple, its taking a break from the normal flow of the service i.e. offering, announcements etc and giving God a praise through any form He deems fit (i.e. dancing, lifting up hands, running the aisles etc). We are an Apostolic Holiness Church and we dont allow the order of worship to hender us from taking time to give God a praise.

Keeping with the spirit of humility, if you having nothing nice to say, there is no reason to say anything at all. If you feel that we were in error, pray that God moves in a light that is more pleasing to Him.

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Good post!

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LOL...not everybody was into southern gospel 3o years ago. Some have been having this kind of church for generations now :)...and I'm certainly not saying that everybody who does everything demonstrative is right all the time. What I am saying is that I don't think that you should look at everybody who worships exuberantly and cast a negative blanket statement.

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I have no problem with people expressing the joy of the Lord. It is a culturally taught way of worship, and fun to watch and participate. I'm culturally a little more comfortable in that environment than I am in a church service with no energy!

Personally, I prefer a worship service somewhere in between. That doesn't mean that my way is the best way! It just means that is where I am the most comfortable! :)

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Bro., I am from the deep south. I know all about this type of church service. I used to be right in the middle of it jamming on my guitar. I wasn't trying to be negative about this clip but it is a place I have moved away from and even when I was a part of it I was always a little uncomfortable.

This style of worship is part of the black culture and I like it but you won't find me trying any of those moves anytime soon. Now, if someone starts playing some harder Christian worship music you just might see me start bobbing my head a little.

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Delta I am futher south then you are....lol

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:thumbsup Yeah but I am as far south in Arkansas as you can get.

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I honestly didn't see anything cultural about the video. It's the pentecostalism that I don't care for. The intentional fast beat in order to get people worked up is fleshly, emotional, and has nothing to do the the greatness of God...in my opinion.

We once had an organist...one of the best and very well known....that would get this stuff going. And the frenzy would start. But eventually he would work his own self into a frenzy and he'd flip over the organ bench and start destroying the platform.

The problem was, without the music, everyone would stop and he'd be the only one...for a few seconds....still going.

It was always funny but I always wondered, "Aw darn, the worked up music stopped and God must've left 'cuz everyone stopped"

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Some of the best and deepest worship I've had in my life, was when the music was stopped and all you could hear were voices of moaning, prayer, and unknown utterances raised toward heaven! The power of God was on me so strong that I couldn't utter a word!

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Many years ago Dan Dean came and spoke at our church. I didn't even know he was a minister. He spoke, "A Hungry Man Has No Manners" (Blessed are those who hunger and thirst...)

In that church at that time, EVERY message ended with music. No exceptions. But that night no one moved. After 45 minutes of so, Dan went to the B-3 and played softly "Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus." It's been 20+ years but I'll treasure every moment forever.

No long ago, I showed a DVD of a message by Bill Hybels "Buildling and Acts 2 Church). When it was finished we sat in dead silence for over 20 minutes. No one could say anything. Just silence and tears. I don't think I've ever experienced anything more spiritually intense in my life.

So I value what you said very much.

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NotOf, all I'm saying is exactly that (this is your opinion and those are your experiences). It is reckless in my opinion to project that onto everybody that you see and to assume that their church's experiences are like yours. That is my point. I don't know anything about your old church so if you say it was manufactured...I will not argue with you, but it is very presumptive to then say that everywhere in the world must have been like that.

I am a musician and I am at a church that has times of worship like this. I am also a minister (interpretation: music is not the only thing important to me). I will absolutely not allow our musicians to fabricate or work up anything like this. Our church does not stop when the music stops...neither do they start when the music starts...there are times of spontaneous worship like this that break out after we have been praising God for a while.

Most often we eventually stop the music in an attempt to "get the service back", but they very often start up again without the music. If I ever felt that the music was manufacturing something that did not exist or was improper, I would absolutely do something about it.

As I have stated earlier, in our church this most often leads to a place of worship once it all settles down. The music slows and people are worshipping, praying, weeping, or whatever all over the sanctuary.
As the music director, I have never allowed the fast stuff to go on so long that it cuts out the rest of the service, but many times we have allowed that place of worship that we reached to take over the service. Families come to the altar, I see people praying and weeping together, I see couples who I know are having problems praying together, visitors get prayed through to the Holy Ghost...so I don't regret those times at all.