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Thought this to be interesting. I was thinking RS would follow DKB to Headquarters to serve in some capacity, maybe take over JJ's position.

A note ... a little puzzled with the date he officially becomes "sole senior pastor." I see the reason given, but isn't a requirement of being UPCI GS that you not be Pastor of a church? This would mean DKB would continue as Pastor for over a year into his new role as the UPCI GS.

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I think this was expected.

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I'll never forget the time we ran by DB's church on a Sunday morning when in Austin to meet up with some friends. RS was teaching the Adult Sunday School class. Such a beautiful lesson - I walked away thinking - that man loves the Word the God and loves teaching from it! :thumbsup

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Watch and be amazed Paul Mooney. This is how one preserves a nest egg.

One of two things with the GS qualifications here:

We are witnessing more of the loophole finding popular in the org.

Or DKB is rewriting the manual from the get go.

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Good point. DKB needs to move on. Great that he is general superentendent but he isn't doing the new Pastor any good by hanging around. Way to king you Bishop so you have something to come back to but in reality never left.

Give Paul Mooney eight years and I bet he feels the need to be GS then. That should be plenty of time to clear up all his local stuff in IN. :spit

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N David, Shaw is positioned perfectly as co-senior pastor and editor of the org ministerial magazine, The Forward. As editor, he can serve the Apostolic Identity propoganda machine in Goebellesque manner.

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I agree ... not sure I'd want the former Pastor hanging around. Nothing against any former Pastor, including DKB ... just could cause problems. Of course, it's likely RS didn't have a say in the matter.

What is an "advisory pastor?" Would this mean any decision made by RS would first have to be approved by DKB?

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God bless Brother RS and may he be fruitful as Pastor.

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All the directors of other divisions who gave up their churches are probably smacking themselves in the head thinking, "why didn't think of that!". It ensures that the former pastor/ division director doesn't( let's say) interrupt a Monday morning staff meeting with a boisterous, intecessory prayer in the church hallways crying out to God to purge the Emergent spirit that has deceived his former flock.

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Tell you what this question came up at the business meeting at GC as to whether a pastor must give up his church to become GS. It was asked in light of Mooneys decision. Haney remarked that as far as he knew he personally had to resign at his church.

Can someone post the manual language in regards to this matter?

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Someone probably pointed it out by now, but JJ's post is an elected position. The General Secretary is selected by the General Conference for a term that expires in alternating years to the GS.

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They are in the middle of a capital raising campaign, which might have legal ramifications.

I believe this arrangement allows for a smooth transition. Reading between the lines, I see Bro. Shaw as the defacto pastor, with the time frame and co-pastor status put in to calm the fears of some of the congregation who have called Bro. Bernard pastor for so many years!

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I agree- I do know they are in a building program - I think they are relocating and building a new building. This may be why they have this arrangement.

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So, they were - like - growing and needing more space? LOL!

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Will the skeptics please raise your hands?

It seems so easy of us to think evil of others. At least cushion your pessimism of the motives and actions of others with some possibility (my hope) that you could be wrong.

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So like, you know, totally going mega!

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DKB probably has his name signed on some bank docs for trust purposes and they want to continue to show good faith with the banks and whatever fund raising they have done. It's probably just some procedural rigamarole.

Either that or...

It all fits together into DKB's plot to take over the UPC...

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/dkb_n_pm.jpg

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:thumbsup

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I think there is no mystery here. Makes perfect sense to me. While GS is considered a full time position, I don't see why one could not be an advisory "pastor" to ten churches while filling the position. Of course if one is stuck with the idea that a "pastor" is the "top dog - must be in charge of everthing" role then it would not work...

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Like, totally!!!

:toofunny

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Kommando....You are a sick individual....this post is one reason I can't see the value of posting here anymore......

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Hasn't RS functioned as DB's attack dog for some time?

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At least we can see that you value reading our posts in AFF.

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Eh?

Bro. Epley, was that you again?

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LOL. Attack of the nerds? http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...oween-7319.gif OoOoOoOo! Pretty scary? I fear Rev Randy more than RS and DKB put together... even if you throw one of those UFC guys in with the two of them.

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Speaking of churches going "mega" Larry Booker is in a major building program now in Rialto. Here is a link to the pictures on his website. I guess he will be joining those in the mega church world soon. Wouldn't surprise me either if he gets the "bishop" tag to.

http://www.inlandlighthouse.com/new/page.php?ID=349

:spit

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Theres a dark side to rolling the dice on a big building.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/co...hcol_0928.html

There are several churches I can think of that are in the process of losing their building or having a building campaign crash and burn because of financing or making the bills.

The multi-site mega churches are smarter, just have one church in several in-expensive locations after you max a building with multiple services.

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Oooh, Randy dems fightin words or flatulence?

Maybe you should cut down on the chili dogs?

Thanks for visiting and posting.

So which part did you disagree with?

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I take it that you don't see the "Apostolic Identity" agenda as a scheme?

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To disagree and disparage a post is one thing ... to attack and disparage the individual is something else.

If you can't see the value in posting here, then don't. I don't believe anyone is making you login and post. Quite simple, really.

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Paul Mooney will never be GS of the UPCI.This was his chance and he didn't take it.He'll be in his 70's then and I'm sure he wouldn't take it.

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I agree with Mr. Baldwin Piano that reading between the lines of the press release it appears there is probably some legal reason to do with the capitol campaign that requires DKB to remain officially the pastor until June 2011.

I am curious though as to how that jives with the UPCI rules requiring the GS to give up pastoring. I am guessing there must be a generous timeframe given for that to take place and DKB is using that in this case.

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Uninformed and uneducated people who are driven to post on subjects they have little to no knowledge of actually show their true colors by posting asininity and drivel. This thread is a case in point.

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Wasn't "Asininity and Drivel" one of those hair bands in the 80's?:bigbaby

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How can anyone be elected pastor?

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Show of hands, secret ballot, "All those in favor... All those opposed..." The ways are almost endless.

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:foottap :club

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I've had yet another surreal experience on this forum as I read these posts speculating on a situation that the authors of the posts have no personal knowledge of. I cannot express how utterly bizarre it is to read what people not connected with New Life Church have to say about our situation. (Of course there were a few very kind remarks as well.)

If you do not attend New Life and have not listened personally to the explanations of how things will work, why would some of you speculate about the situation and then dare attribute motives of the worst kind to the main people involved? It's shameless.

Kim Komando, it was so charitable of you to liken David Bernard to Hitler and Rodney Shaw to Goebbles, Hitler's chief propagandist. Before writing such a witticism again, perhaps you should pause and carefully reflect--and dare I suggest, even pray--if it is ever appropriate to liken two decent men like Bernard and Shaw to two of history's greatest monsters. Whether you were serious or joking, it was a disgusting thing to write.

Kim, I gather that you may construe most things you disagree with as "propaganda." You refer to "Apostolic Identity" as though it were some sinister plot, best mentioned only in a whisper. Here's a link to what DB wrote about it in an update to the ministers of the South Texas District. (Point 7). http://www.stxupci.com/september-update/#more-331. What he writes is polite and imminently reasonable. No one is holding a gun to a minister's head and forcing him or her to believe certain things or to belong to the UPCI. The UPCI officially endorses certain views about the new birth and holiness standards. If a minister doesn't also endorse these views, it seems reasonable for him or her to withdraw as DB suggests. There's no animosity here.

The following should excite many of you. I just saw the following update on RS's blog in which he responds to this thread. Yes it's true! http://rodneyshaw.wordpress.com/2009...ew-life-church. It should prove enlightening to all--and will probably thrill some posters at the thought of more potential controversy (yay!). Certain posters' mouths will no doubt water as they parse every sentence trying to read between the lines to discover RS's true motives in writing such a blog post--surely the truth can't just be what he says. That would make for a dull forum, of course, and I realize that trying to divine hidden agendas is almost irresistible.

I thought I would do something novel and actually read the manual regarding the requirements for the GS regarding pastoring a church. I was surprised to discover that the basic qualifications and duties of the GS only take up about a page in the manual. Here are some excerpts:

Article IV, Section 2. Election of Officers.
1. The General Superintendent, the Assistant General Superintendents, the General Secretary-Treasurer, the Director of Foreign Missions, the Director of Home Missions, the Director of Sunday School, and the General Youth President shall be elected by the General Conference for a term of two (2) years, for a maximum of eight (8) consecutive years. All the above offices shall be full time with the exception of the Assistant General Superintendents.

Article IV, Section 3. Qualifications and Restrictions.
1. In order to hold a general office in our organization, the following qualifications are required: A general officer must be at least thirty (30) years of age, must conform to the Fundamental Doctrine, must have been a minister in good standing with us for at least five (5) years, must have been ordained at least one (1) year prior to election, and must have proven loyal to the organization by cooperation in the up-building of the work. The only exception to the above is that the General Youth President does not have to meet the thirty (30) year age requirement.
2. No person can hold two executive offices at the same time.

ARTICLE V
RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF GENERAL OFFICERS AND RULES APPERTAINING THERETO
Section 1. General Superintendent.
1. The duties of the General Superintendent shall be as follows:
(a) To preside at all General Conferences.
(b) To call General Board meetings.
(c) To preside at all sessions of the General Board.
(d) To appoint all committees pertaining to the general work.
(e) To sign every credential, license, fellowship card, and church certificate.
(f) To be overseer of all general work in cooperation with the General Board.
(g) To attend all annual district conferences or in the event that he cannot attend, to delegate another general official to represent him.
(h) To withhold the issuance of license, credential, or fellowship card when he has reason to believe the applicant may be in question. The application is to be referred back to the District Board or to the Credentials Committee.
(i) To be General Overseer and General Manager of all divisions.
2. The General Superintendent shall act as President of the Corporation in all legal matters.
(a) He shall be authorized to sign all official and legal documents, deeds, and mortgages.
(b) He shall act as a trustee of all corporation property.

It never explicitly says that the GS cannot remain a pastor of a church, but the expectation, of course, is that in order to adequately fufill the role of full-time GS, the GS would be unable to also pastor. Which is why DB will not remain as senior pastor of New Life. (DB did, however, do a pretty good job being a full-time pastor, district superintendent, and president of UGST at the same time.) RS will take on the great bulk of pastoral responsibilities as of Jan 1, 2010, and full pastoral responsibilities in June 2011. Keep in mind that the General Board had no objections to this transitional plan--oh wait . . . it's another conspiracy!

Finally, if you would like to see some pictures from the election, here you go: http://www.newlifeupc.org/pictures-f...toral-election. BE FOREWARNED, there are several smiles in these pictures. Lest some posters think the smiles were just meant to conceal the dastardly plan DB and RS had cooked up for New Life, I can assure you that we were all just happy for RS.

Blessings to you all.

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LOL!! Bro Celery, thank you for your witty post and the link to your new pastor's blog. I wish your assembly grace and peace from our Lord Jesus Christ, always.

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This is a open forum where anyone can post. We are glad you joined us. In fact we are even glad that you spoke up and attend the church in question.

Many of us are happy for Bro. Bernard and think he is actually a moderate and many of us use his books for academic reference.

Hopefully you will post more often on here, just remember that we have a spectrum from strict AMF to conservative/moderate UPCI folks to the progressives who tend towards the AWCF or Global Network.

Its good you made your voice heard. We would love to have both you and your pastor post on here.

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Thank you very much!

But, Mizpeh, my last name is Celey, not the vegetable. But it's oh so embarrassingly close! :-) How I've had to endure the question since I was a boy, "Did you know that your last name is only one letter off from celery?" To which I invariably respond, "Nooo, I never noticed that."

God bless.