Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824321)

Anyway, better safe than sorry, right? I mean, how can you be sure about all those laws. Some of them still apply. Most of the Ten Commandments, e.g. (What, all of them? Even the sabbath law? And that one about making graven images?) And the ones reiterated in the New Testament (like homosexuality).

But what if you're wrong? Think of it this way: once upon a time, God really really did get upset if people (at least certain people, namely His chosen people) ate shellfish, or mixed thread in their garments. Right? Who's to say that things like that don't still get Him angry? Wouldn't it be wise not to take any chances?

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824325)

There was a guy a couple of years ago that attempted to live one year obeying every command of the bible. Did you see that? I'll try to find it.

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824326)

Sounds familiar, yeah.

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824327)

I think he had a pretty rough year!:ursofunny

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824329)

I bet he did! :lol

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824336)

Here it is.

http://abcnews.go.com/abcnewsnow/GMA...5927473&page=1


But obviously it would be difficult to live by ALL the rules of the ENTIRE bible because there's a different set of rules in the testaments, right? :)

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824341)

Obey them all! :foottap

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824343)

I can't!! God changed his mind!!! :D

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824347)

Well, that was kinda the point of my question. Got an example of a specific law that God would actually get mad at you for obeying? (And why?)

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824348)

I think there are many but the immediate one that comes to mind is stoning people for all the things they're supposed to be stoned for in the OT.

Actually, come to think of it, a lot of people get stoned these days!! :ursofunny

There are also the laws of Judaism that were no longer to be enforced in the NT.

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824359)

OOOOHHH, ya got me. :sad

Man, it's hard getting people to fall into my traps, these days! :lol

OK, but seriously, can you or anyone else support that in scripture? Why would God now consider it sin (if that's what you're implying) to follow that particular law?

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824364)

Well, there are numerous verses in the NT about no longer enforcing the Judaistic rituals of the OT. It was a major point of contention between Peter and Paul and the context of a lot of the NT warnings about the "false teaching" that was taking place.

But is there a verse that says we can no longer stone someone to death if they're bad boy? Hmmm........

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824364)

Well, there are numerous verses in the NT about no longer enforcing the Judaistic rituals of the OT. It was a major point of contention between Peter and Paul and the context of a lot of the NT warnings about the "false teaching" that was taking place.

But is there a verse that says we can no longer stone someone to death if they're bad boy? Hmmm........

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824368)

My son's gettin' on my nerves. Better look for that scripture, quick!

:ursofunny

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824374)

So I'd like to hear your opinion on this......unless you need more time to make your point.....or clearly articulate your "agenda" as it's been called.

And let me ask you this.....is it problematic for you that God changed his entire system from one testament to the other? And do you see inconsistencies even in the NT?

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824347)

Well, that was kinda the point of my question. Got an example of a specific law that God would actually get mad at you for obeying? (And why?)

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 824381)

Said the fly to the spider.

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824374)

So I'd like to hear your opinion on this......unless you need more time to make your point.....or clearly articulate your "agenda" as it's been called.

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824409)

:spit



My opinion on all those wacky laws in the OT? I am very skeptical that God gave those laws to His people. And not just the "wacky" ones: all of them, including the Ten Commandments.

OK, some of those laws actually do make some sense, and are reasonable efforts to keep order, but someone made them up, thinking they were good laws to have on the books. Nobody really needed to hear "thou shalt not kill" from on high to think that would be a good rule! But to make enforcement easier, these rules were said to have been given by revelation from God.

And a lot of them would be right at home on those lists of crazy laws still on the books in our country today. :lol

It is illegal to sell peanuts after sundown on Wednesday.

Elephants may not be used to plow cotton fields.

Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

It is forbidden to fish while sitting on a giraffe’s neck.

I wonder: Think the more bizarre laws may have been the result of special interest groups lobbying for them?

Some are not just wacky. They're evil. Does anyone really think, even back in the OT times when "things were different", it was actually good and moral and just to require parents to have their kids killed for being disobedient? Would you have obeyed God, if you lived as a Jew back then?



I think it's a bit odd, but not a major issue for me. In my "What You Believe" series, in the "Gospel" chapter, I point out that the old way of getting forgiveness (animal sacrifice) doesn't work anymore. I think that's pretty weird. If it made God so happy when people killed and burned a lamb that He'd forgive their sins back then, why wouldn't it make Him that happy now?



Of course! Lots! :winkgrin

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824411)

Oh yeah, my agenda! Here it is:

1. Make ya think!

That's pretty much it, really. I know from personal experience that a lot of Christians just accept what they're told to believe, without really thinking through all the ramifications.

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824364)

But is there a verse that says we can no longer stone someone to death if they're bad boy? Hmmm........

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 824447)

Yes. The rules about obeying the laws of the land. :)

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 824450)

Let's get the constitution changed to allow it. It can't be immoral, it was a command given from God. :)

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824451)

Good point. Let's start a Christian email petition and seek 14 million signatures and ask people to send it to 50 friends and promise them a thousand dollars for Bill Gates Beta Testing if they sign.

I'll send the final results to Nancy Pelosi!

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 824469)

Offering sacrifice for sin when Christ has paid the debt for once and all - I think THAT would really frost Him!

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 824461)

Okay, lets first get a list of upc ministers to start emailing it to first. I'm sure if we begin with them and they mention it in church and send it to their church members it'll spread like wildifire. Think the break-off upc orginization will let us borrow the list they have?

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 824478)

Melaleuca! LOL! I don't even want talk about it.

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 824478)

Melaleuca! LOL! I don't even want talk about it.

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824483)

Never heard of it. What is it? Can I get on board?

:ursofunny

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 824484)

I have my pen ready, Timmy, you can sign as part of my team!!

Yep, did Melaleuca. Never made much money, but they did have good products. Just hated that minimum monthly requirement. Maybe most people spend $40 a month on that kind of stuff, but we don't.

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 824503)

Timmy, I liked your original discussion. Is it plausible to you that a lot of personal opinion is contained in the NT?

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824411)

Oh yeah, my agenda! Here it is:

1. Make ya think!

That's pretty much it, really. I know from personal experience that a lot of Christians just accept what they're told to believe, without really thinking through all the ramifications.

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 824523)

Not just plausible. Very likely.
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This tradition is alive and well, today. One of my former pastors talked about someone at his previous church who gave him a hard time, and (after a pause for dramatic effect) he died. There's a thread here on AFF about how God might kill you if you mock Him: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=11167