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BrotherEastman 10-30-2009 03:47 PM
Do You Agree with This?
 
Below is an excerpt from my syllabus. Do you agree or disagree with the last statement of this excerpt? Why or why not?


The big questions in relation to baptism are: “How?” and “To whom?”

a. How should the church baptize?
a. Historically the church has employed three modes, each with slightly different theological connotations.
i. immersion—Symbolically, the believer is buried and raised with Christ (in his death and resurrection; see Romans 6:3, 4).
ii. pouring—Symbolically, the believer receives the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (see Joel 2:28).
iii. sprinkling—Symbolically, the believer has the blood of Jesus sprinkled upon her (see I Peter 1:2, Ezekiel 36:25).


(All three modes of baptism carry the symbolism of washing (Acts 22:16, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 3:21).

mfblume 10-30-2009 05:06 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
All three modes are INTENDED to signify washing, however, baptism is truly done by immersion due to the burial aspect as well. It's more than washing, I believe.

Jermyn Davidson 10-30-2009 07:56 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Of course I agree with the Bible.

I prefer and believe that the Bible makes the strongest case for Gentiles to be baptized via immersion, with the Name of Jesus Christ SPECIFICALLY mentioned.

pelathais 10-30-2009 08:58 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 824873)
Below is an excerpt from my syllabus. Do you agree or disagree with the last statement of this excerpt? Why or why not?


The big questions in relation to baptism are: “How?” and “To whom?”

a. How should the church baptize?
a. Historically the church has employed three modes, each with slightly different theological connotations.
i. immersion—Symbolically, the believer is buried and raised with Christ (in his death and resurrection; see Romans 6:3, 4).
ii. pouring—Symbolically, the believer receives the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (see Joel 2:28).
iii. sprinkling—Symbolically, the believer has the blood of Jesus sprinkled upon her (see I Peter 1:2, Ezekiel 36:25).


(All three modes of baptism carry the symbolism of washing (Acts 22:16, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 3:21).
"Upon her..." ??? Heh! How Politically Correct. Why not use a plural in the sentence and say "them?" Is it really necessary to perpetuate an error by simply doing the opposite of the original act of non-inclusion?

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Bowas 10-30-2009 09:39 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 824987)
Of course I agree with the Bible.

I prefer and believe that the Bible makes the strongest case for Gentiles to be baptized via immersion, with the Name of Jesus Christ SPECIFICALLY mentioned.
Oh. Don't forget the Jews need to be baptized also.

Timmy 10-31-2009 09:17 AM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 825016)
"Upon her..." ??? Heh! How Politically Correct. Why not use a plural in the sentence and say "them?" Is it really necessary to perpetuate an error by simply doing the opposite of the original act of non-inclusion?

Sorry... off topic. I'll go away quietly. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon11.gif
Hey. Maybe it's only women that need to be saved! 1 Timothy 2:14, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." :winkgrin

coadie 10-31-2009 10:55 AM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 824873)
Below is an excerpt from my syllabus. Do you agree or disagree with the last statement of this excerpt? Why or why not?


The big questions in relation to baptism are: “How?” and “To whom?”

a. How should the church baptize?
a. Historically the church has employed three modes, each with slightly different theological connotations.
i. immersion—Symbolically, the believer is buried and raised with Christ (in his death and resurrection; see Romans 6:3, 4).
ii. pouring—Symbolically, the believer receives the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (see Joel 2:28).
iii. sprinkling—Symbolically, the believer has the blood of Jesus sprinkled upon her (see I Peter 1:2, Ezekiel 36:25).


(All three modes of baptism carry the symbolism of washing (Acts 22:16, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 3:21).
I was buried with Him in baptism. Buriel is not sprinkling dirt on the body.

mfblume 10-31-2009 12:34 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 825107)
Hey. Maybe it's only women that need to be saved! 1 Timothy 2:14, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." :winkgrin
That verse only says Adam knew better and chose wrong knowingly. Eve didn't. :(

Rhoni 10-31-2009 12:43 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 825187)
That verse only says Adam knew better and chose wrong knowingly. Eve didn't. :(
:thumbsup

Timmy 10-31-2009 03:58 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 825187)
That verse only says Adam knew better and chose wrong knowingly. Eve didn't. :(
Oh. Yeah. Well. Uh. ....



:nahnah

mfblume 10-31-2009 04:00 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Bloo-ba-blooo-ba-bloo-ba-blooo back to you, too. Nya nya. :lol

ManOfWord 10-31-2009 04:06 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 824873)
Below is an excerpt from my syllabus. Do you agree or disagree with the last statement of this excerpt? Why or why not?


The big questions in relation to baptism are: “How?” and “To whom?”

a. How should the church baptize?
a. Historically the church has employed three modes, each with slightly different theological connotations.
i. immersion—Symbolically, the believer is buried and raised with Christ (in his death and resurrection; see Romans 6:3, 4).
ii. pouring—Symbolically, the believer receives the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (see Joel 2:28).
iii. sprinkling—Symbolically, the believer has the blood of Jesus sprinkled upon her (see I Peter 1:2, Ezekiel 36:25).


(All three modes of baptism carry the symbolism of washing (Acts 22:16, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 3:21).
It cannot be forgotten that the early church, for the most part was Jewish. Being Jewish, they would therefore have the Jewish ceremony of mikveh. In mikveh, which was Jewish baptism, the person being immersed, immersed themselves, vertically in a body of water. The idea is still cleansing and carries that connotation today.

I would agree what all the modes share the idea or symbolism of cleansing. It is the execution of that which the church disagrees over. :D

mfblume 10-31-2009 06:14 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
The Jewishness of the origin of Christ's birth and all the oracles of God that the Jews were given are full of tremendously awesome insights. They're like parables in picture of truths of the new covenant. Thank God for the Jews!

ManOfWord 10-31-2009 08:16 PM
Re: Do You Agree with This?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 825327)
The Jewishness of the origin of Christ's birth and all the oracles of God that the Jews were given are full of tremendously awesome insights. They're like parables in picture of truths of the new covenant. Thank God for the Jews!
I agree. I've never said that we must return to them, but they are our roots. It is amazing how much more clearly the bible "speaks" with Jewish "spectacles" on. The more clearly we see Jewish in the NT the more Christian we can become. If we ONLY had the love for the word the Jews of Jesus day did, we would be a different people! :D


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