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Hey that rhymes!

Did they receive the Holy Ghost in John 20:22?

No takers?

If they did receive then there must be a difference when we are "baptized" with the Holy Ghost.

They did not. Jesus commanded them to do so. When he breathed on them that was to be a "prompt" when they did on Pentecost. A rushing "wind" filled all the house where they were sitting. Then they knew "this is it".

Acts 8 shows no difference between receiving the Holy Ghost or receiving the baptism.

14: Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17: Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. Acts 8:14-17

No mention here of "the baptism". Yet it should be clear thats the subject. Why? They are the same thing.

So what you are saying, more simply put, is that Jesus said "receive ye the Holy Ghost" and they interpreted that command to mean, we'll do that later.

Exactly. Thats why you see them receive later.

Bro M. I'm not trying to be ignorant (not hard) but if the almighty said to me receive ye this ******** and I really needed it why in the world would I say, hold on for a few months and I'll get back to ya.???

No, because Jesus said the Holy Ghost could not be given until He went to the Father and because He was not yet glorified. It was symbolic.

Joh 7:39 -(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The Apostles said nothing of the sort. Jesus gave them a command to receive the Spirit. It was obviously not given to them just yet.

1: The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2: Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4: And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5: For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6: When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7: And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8: But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:1-8

Note verse 4. Wait for the promise of the Spirit which you heard from me. Why would they wait for something they already had?

Did you look at Acts 8? That makes plain there are not 2 separate Holy Spirit experiences.

In all the other gospel accounts you have commissions. In those commissions they are commanded to go and do something hereafter, not right then and there. And in some, like Luke, they are commanded to go and wait for something that would come later on, right? What was it? The Spirit!

Here we have sort of a commission that is not as fleshed out as the others

Joh 20:21 So Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. Just as the Father has sent me, I also send you."
Joh 20:22 And after he said this, he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
Joh 20:23 If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins, they are retained."

John leaves out most of what the others included

And look, I am sending you what my Father promised. But stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."
Luk 24:50 Then Jesus led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands, he blessed them.

Thankyu for this post mizpeh.

The word of the Lord is awesome!!!!

There is a question as to when the Lord was glorified. I think it was when He was taken up Acts 1 to sit at the right hand of God.

But the second verse about Jesus having to leave to send "another" comforter especially when read in context is very clear. Act 2 says the rest.

THanks to all those who have responded.

More questions coming. But not today, I'm going to set up my tent. I'll be back Monday.

God bless you all.

Eh....did you read mine yet?

ONe more reply.

Yes I did, in fact I printed it off to make notes.

Gone camping!!

Gone Camping? But it's raining!!!

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EXCELLENT!!!

It's funny, though, to watch the tongues and 3-steps people attempt to wiggle their way out of this stuff!

So what happened to Kutless?

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I don't see Jesus' Words as a command, but as a Promise. As pointed out by others, the Holy Spirit could not be given until after the death, burial and resuirrection of the Lord. The promise of salvation, and all its benefits which includes the baptism of the Holy Ghost had not yet been purchased . Thats why the Holy Spirit could not come until the Gospel had been fulfilled with Jesus ' death, burial, and resurrection.

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I don't see it as a command or a promise. It sounds like an impartation to me. If he had stretched forth his hand and said, "Be ye healed" I'm guessing that person would have been healed.

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All steps aside how do you view this Irr?

Kutless? We have a gag order on that one.:heeheehee

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I see it as a promise due to the fact that Jeus referred to the Gift of the Holy Ghost as "the promise of the Father" 3 times.

Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me.

Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

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I suppose this could spiral off into a side discussion, which ultimately goes nowhere, about what it meant when people were "full of the Holy Spirit" before the Day of Pentecost.

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Regardless there was something, some measure or fullness they did not have prior to Acts.

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Thats true, that is a separate discussuin for a separate thread. Don't want to muddy the waters up here with a side discussion. But then, I don't think it would have to go no where. I think it could go somewhere if we all opened our minds for deeper undertanding. Like this discusion. One sees it as a command, another ses it as a promise, another sees it as an impartation. Isn't it true that it very well could be all 3? You know, 3 in 1? Now where have we heard that before?

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Well, I don't know....that's debatable to some. What's different about being full of the Holy Spirit before Pentecost and full of the Holy Spirit? It's full vs full.

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By "going nowhere", I just mean that it ends up being the same ole argument every time.

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Yet, John was filled with the Holy Ghost from birth, or even before so. Seems every time one wants to put God in a box He just pops right out!! LOL So, He was given earlier.

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Now where do we see them receive it later?

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I don't really know. It does not say they did or did not.

Barnes notes
He breathed on them - It was customary for the prophets to use some significant act to represent the nature of their message. See Jer. 13; Jer. 18, etc. In this case the act of breathing was used to represent the nature of the influence that would come upon them, and the source of that influence.
Receive ye the Holy Ghost - His breathing on them was a certain sign or pledge that they would be endowed with the influences of the Holy Spirit. Compare Act_1:4; John 2.


Perhaps this was prophetic, I mean this was the stage at which Jesus instructed the Disciples to go to Jerusalem and wait for the Promise of the Father

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Acts 2

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There were many people filled with the Holy Spirit before Pentecost but the gift was not for everyone until Pentecost in Acts 2 per the prophecy of Joel.

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So what you're saying is, people have been filled with the Holy Spirit without speaking in tongues, correct?

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Was John filled with the Holy Ghost?? Let's hear John's testimony himself

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

John clearly states that he (John) needed to baptized with the Holy Ghost and fire by Jesus. Obviously, the Spirit of the LORD was upon John the baptists like as in all the other prophets, but the Holy Spirit did not indwell them. We are the living temples made without hands in whom the Spirit resides in.

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: (not exactly in context)

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Yes, but they prophesied. So there was a visible recognizable sign...evidence of the indwelling Spirit!

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That could mean there was a distinction in function between the OT prophets having the Spirit of prophecy and the NT Spirit baptism

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How do you know that John B was speaking of Spirit baptism? why not water baptisM?

What about this verse: For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. How do you harmonize this verse with the others?

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And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. Luke 4:1-2 KJV

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So, must a sign be a gift? Or would fruits also be a sign?

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Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire

He was telling his audience that he (John) baptizes with water but the one to come after him will baptize with the HolyGhost. What then could John be asking Jesus to baptize him with? If Jesus was gonna baptize others with the Holy Ghost and fire, why would John not want the same thing?

I do not deny that Spirit of the LORD was upon John. I'm just saying that he was not indwelt like we believers are. The work of the cross had not been done. Jesus was not yet glorified

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)