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218 "yes" show up on the Board.


Good luck getting 60 in the Senate.

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Joseph Cao, La.-2, is the sole GOP yes vote on PelosiCare.

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The final vote: 220-215. 219 Ds joined 1 R (Cao) in support. 176 Rs and 39 Ds opposed it.

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Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats don't have the luxury of a big majority. They need 60 votes for cloture to even begin debate on the bill, 60 votes to waive the budget rules that the bill will violate, and 60 votes for cloture on final passage. There are 60 Democrats in the Senate. A far cry from the 80 seat majority in the House.

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The road to hell is paved with goos intentions.

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I think most of us are upset and my wife is depressed but I try to remember my favorite song by the Gaithers and trust in God.

I'm not gonna worry
I'm not gonna fret
I'm not gonna speculate or contemplate what hasn't happened yet
I'm not gonna worry
He's got the whole thing in his hands
I won't let it haunt me; I won't let it win
I'm not gonna ruminate or meditate on how it might have been
I'm gonna release it
He's got the whole thing in his hands
I'm not gonna worry
I'm not gonna fret
I'm just gonna wait and see, and in between give thanks for what I get
I'll live in the moment
He's got the whole thing in his hands

Bridge:
Maybe lately I've started to resign
So here it goes, God only knows
It might just ease my mind

I'm not gonna worry
I'm not gonna fret
I'm not gonna speculate or contemplate what hasn't happened yet
I'm not gonna worry
He's got the whole thing in his hands
He's got the whole thing in his hands
He's got the whole thing in his hands

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Yeah great song.
BUT

Seems that IF this was what GOD had in mind, it'd be confirmed
with my SOUL..as its happened with most all other issues.
Of course, His will................... not mine.

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That is not a fair "democracy" at all!
Its fraudulent!

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It's those BUT's in life that sometimes ruins our day. I'm not convinced but I'm trying to trust.

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Thought you might be interested in the title of this article! LOL!

The major concerns that they point out are also major concerns of mine!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/042309.html

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The Democrats received enough votes to obtain a majority in the House. They can vote in anything they want and there's nothing we can do about it. That's our system of government. We can vote them out next election but the damage has been done.

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Not quite done - we still have the Senate. :thumbsup

The only reason they brought this to passage, in the House, is because they had to keep moving centrist. We'll also see what they do with the Stupak Amendment when it gets to the Senate. They don't have to include it, we'll see if they do.

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I am excited about this. On paper, it is going to try and make health insurance companies stay honest, while giving the public an option for a low-price health care option. I don't like the fact that people might be penalized if they do not have health insurance, but systems like that are already in place for health insurance and for other programs, so nothing new there.

Hopefully it gets past the senate. I like what Cao said after the vote:

"I felt last night's decision was the proper decision for my district even though it was not the popular decision for my party," said Cao, a first-term representative from Louisiana's traditionally Democratic 2nd District. "A lot of my constituents are uninsured, a lot of them are poor. It was the right decision for the people of my district."

That is how elected officials need to vote, for the good of their constituents, not just for the party.

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Seriously, do you think the Country can afford this monster of a bill 1.7 Trillion? I firmly believe this Administration and the Party in charge is trying to kill capitalism and do damage to the Constitution. Never waste a crisis, right? Even if you have to manufacture it.........

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According to one AP article I read, "The bill was estimated to reduce federal deficits by about $104 billion over a decade". The article did not elaborate, but I am using my google-fu to see how, if that is true. The government is going to spend money either way. At least this money will be spent on providing low-cost health insurance.

Ideally, the government should be ran like my household, sans the buying copious amounts of ice cream part. Pay with cash, save while you can, and make your wife work her butt off, lol. But really, they aren't going to do that. If they are going to run us into (more) debt, at least we can all be healthy while they do it.

As for the current administration in charge blowing money, the blame falls on both sides of the aisle, and with the previous administration also.

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What the government will require you to do:

• Sec. 202 (p. 91-92) of the bill requires you to enroll in a "qualified plan." If you get your insurance at work, your employer will have a "grace period" to switch you to a "qualified plan," meaning a plan designed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If you buy your own insurance, there's no grace period. You'll have to enroll in a qualified plan as soon as any term in your contract changes, such as the co-pay, deductible or benefit.

• Sec. 224 (p. 118) provides that 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a "qualified plan" covers and how much you'll be legally required to pay for it. That's like a banker telling you to sign the loan agreement now, then filling in the interest rate and repayment terms 18 months later.

• Sec. 303 (pp. 167-168) makes it clear that, although the "qualified plan" is not yet designed, it will be of the "one size fits all" variety. The bill claims to offer choice—basic, enhanced and premium levels—but the benefits are the same. Only the co-pays and deductibles differ. You will have to enroll in the same plan, whether the government is paying for it or you and your employer are footing the bill.

• Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

Read more:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...055918380.html

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The current leadership rigged the legislation so that 60 percent of the total cost wouldn't be made public by the CBO in advance of the House vote. Here's how they did it.

The centerpiece of the bill is not the "public option" but the "individual mandate". You purchase insurance on penalty of fine and/or imprisonment.

Obama tells a joint session of Congress that the rest of the legislation won't work unless the government forces Americans to purchase health insurance.

Clinton's healthcare plan (1994) also had a mandate. The CBO decides that since "the mandatory premiums . . . would constitute an exercise of sovereign power," the agency would treat all premiums as federal revenues, including them in the federal budget.

That revealed the full cost of the Clinton's health plan. The Secretary of Health and Human Services (Donna Shalala) calls the CBO's decision "devastating". That helped to kill the bill.

In order to move on and not admit to the unpopularity of an individual mandate, congressional Democrats ensured that the costs would not appear in the federal budget this time around. They gamed the CBO's rule for what constitutes "federal revenues".

If the individual mandates leave the consumers with what the CBO considers a "sufficient", "meaningful" or "substantial" degree of choice among health plans, they won't count mandatory premiums as federal revenues. It's very arbitrary and hides the costs by pushing them off-budget.

While the CBO is estimating that the coverage expansion in the House Democrat's legislation would be approximately $1 trillion of new federal spending over a ten year period, it will actually cost more like $2.5 trillion.

So, again, the House Democrats gamed the CBO. Aren't you happy it passed in the House? :thumbsdown

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I'm interested in reading how each member voted on this. Any links?

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tanks.

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What are the odds of this passing in the Senate?

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Given the slimmer party majority margin that the Senate has compared to the House, my hope is that it won't make it. Odds? Dunno.

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So this 'forcing you to buy insurance' thing.... is it going to have income limits? My husband has insurance, but I don't because we can't afford to add me. Passing this bill isn't going to magically make us be able to afford it.

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Ex-senate majority leader, Dr. Bill Frist, was the special speaker at our church this past Sunday. His message was mainly about how God uses prayer and trained medical people to perform miracles.

(The video of his message should be posted on www.christchurchnashville.org this week.)


Anyway, he made a quick blurb about the healthcare issue. He said that we have a moral obligation to help the millions of uninsured Americans, because it is a fact that the uninsured die sooner.

On the other hand, the plan that passed the house will require our children and children's children to work an hour and 1/2 extra each day just to pay for it!

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Sounds like he did a good job.


Right, that's called "The Emergency Room". :thumbsup

I think we need to fix what is broken and not do a massive overhaul.

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Agreed - :thumbsup

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On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost.

• An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income.
  
  
• A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income.
  
  
• Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...055918380.html

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I hope the food is good in jail. ;)

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I honestly do not see this passing in the Senate. With all of the tea parties and the public out cry. Pelosi will be hanging her party out to dry in 2012. Well, if that's what it takes. :thumbsup

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If this is true, that it's really going to force people to buy insurance, and that's how much it's going to cost.... it's going to BURY the economy. It would cost us an extra $400 per month. We don't HAVE $400 per month extra right now. If we did have to come up with that, it'd come out of the grocery budget, the gas budget, and the very, very meager entertainment budget. So less of our money would be going into the economy. And we won't be the only family in that position, most of the country will be affected the same way.

Not very bright when the economy is already so wobbly.

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Very very few have an extra $400 a month for Gov healthcare. That is exactly what Obama and the Dems want!

Whenit is mandatory, but no one can afford it, Obama and his sickening ilk will come up with some more great and heroic Government social programs to "help" us. It is all about expanding Federal control. Socialism as a vehicle for his and the Lefts fascistic views.

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This administration couldn't care less about public outcry. The evil witch of the south and her gang have no feelings or love for our country and it's working class people.:foottap Don't forget all the illegal aliens they may make legal voting citizens will be not be voting conservative. I'm afraid they may just have it in the bag.

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:spitLOL It ain't in mine and I'm the cook. :foottap

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Yes, taxes will increase. But that’s not the whole story.

On the private market it’s not uncommon for a family of four to be paying an average of $600 to $700 a month in premiums for a plan that truly meets their family’s needs. If their taxes increased $400 a month and they took the public option with a negotiated monthly premium of $50 to $100, that equals to paying a total of $450 to $500 a month. Compare that to the $600 to $700 monthly premium they were paying. So even with tax increases, negotiated premiums in a public option will be significantly less, thereby offsetting the tax increase and equaling a savings.

Question… Would you rather pay a total of between $450 and $500 a month out of pocket under Obama’s public option or the $600 to $700 a month (and rising) out of pocket for the private insurance?

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No, I would rather have open competition and not with the government who can continue printing money or raising taxes. Private companies do not have that luxury. That gives the government an unfair advantage and it would put the private sector at a huge loss.

We need to reform the system by allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines. We should, at least, begin there. The only plans that are currently available for purchase are plans that are offered from companies based within the state that you reside. Two or three having the monopoly.

If competition across state lines were open, people would be able to purchase the most affordable plans for their families. That gives them the American right to free choice and free enterprise. That, in itself, would cause all rates to come down because the insurance companies would want to remain competitive.

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Some are saying that the Republicans shouldn't have voted in favor of the Stupak Amendment, but I'm not sure I agree with that.

Mike Pence was saying that voting for the amendment had nothing to do with voting for the bill overall.

I don't see how they could have voted against the Stupak Amendment. The alternative Republican healthcare bill wording does not allow for Federal funding for abortion unless there is the case of emergency - rape, mother's life in danger, etc.

That is one reason why I believe the Republicans voted in favor of the Stupak - it pushed the Democrats against the wall. I think Pelosi thought she pushed the Republicans in a corner, but I think it backfired.

Anyway, found this clip showing that what many expected - many Democrats will try to have the wording left out of the bill when it gets to the Senate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6tb4...layer_embedded

DOA :thumbsup

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWQN...layer_embedded

GOP Congressman: If Healthcare Bill Is So Fabulous, Why Criminalize Those Who Want To Opt-Out?

:thumbsup

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Well, if I end up in yours, try to sneak me in something good!

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This doesn't address people who currently don't have insurance because they CAN'T AFFORD it.

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I'll see what I can do. :nah