The Unofficial Anti-Christmas Thread
 

Equal Opportunity, and all, you know.


For those who think Christmas is evil, trees are evil, decorations are evil, giving gifts is evil.

Why?

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Cuz Jesus never told us to celebrate it. So, we shall not.

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Santa Claus wears red like the debil.

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Besides,

Sandy Klaus is a leetle magic elf, and a elf is a fairy!


All fairies and magic elves are lies and shall go to hell!



:thumbsup

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because we bring a dead tree into the house and sit around it and look at it while we eat candy from our socks

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Learn NOT the way of the heathen!!!

Jeremiah 10:1-5

'nuf said!

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Sermons are pagan.

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christmas is so vain, shallow and overrated!!

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and expensive. people spending money they don't have on gifts for people they don't even like the other 364 days of the year.

I am not anti-xmass, but not pro-xmass either. I just ignore it as much as possible. But wouldn't mind at all if it just went away and never returned.

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Thats a bit vague don't you think? I mean without context you can use that verse to basically preach that we should isolate ourselves and move to an island so that we truly can never learn anything from the "heathens".

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CUZ JESUS DIDNT SAY DO IT I THINK WAS A GOOD ANSWER.AND BECAUSE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS PAGAN AND NOTHING ABOUT IT GLORIFIES GOD.
i am not a drunk so i dont buy liquor , not a dope user so i dont buy dope ,,not a papagn so i dont buy the mass of christ gifts..
i am a christian and being that i must stay away from the very apperance of evil as much as possible and this is another way i can!.
the bible states love not the world neither the things of the world if any man loves the world the love of the father is not in him.this mess they call CHRISTMAS is nothing to do with god and eveything to do with worldliness.!

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That is of course if you consider getting together with family and giving gifts to loved ones worldly.

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And?

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Christmas is beloved of the saints and what is beloved of the saints God is just going to have to suck it up and get used to.

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I think a proper understanding of the history of Christmas will leave one with mixed emotions. Judaic Christians chose December 25th as a time to celebrate Christ's birth based on an ancient belief called "integral age". The celebration of Christ's birth became so prevalent that the Aurilean chose to revive ancient pagan practices to over shadow the celebration. Slowly the pagan ways prevailed and Christmas was a dark holiday of rioting and debauchery. It was a time of dread throughout Europe. Christians continued to try to "redeem" the season for Jesus Christ but pagan ways abounded. Eventually Christmas became marketable and with the opportunity to make money people began to turn the season into a time of festivity and giving. Slowly both Christianity and the free market gave us the delightful holiday we know today.

Paul wrote,

2 Corinthians 10:5 (Amplified Bible)
5[Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),

There are two types of Christians in this world. Those who flee from pagan ways and those who take every thought and purpose captive into obedience to Christ. Christians took the Christmas season and redeemed it, bringing it into obedience to Christ.

And thank God for that!

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Oh yeah... you're the "take halloween back" guy huh? :ursofunny

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I'd also like to note that I think this "anti-Christmas" stuff is an effort to rob us of our European customs and heritage. If a Mexican, Indian, or African integrated cultural observances with their Christianity we find it indearing and support their keeping both their cultural identity and Christian faith. If Europeans keep their cultural customs and integrate them into Christianity the anti-European crowd seeks to make a stink. My heritage is primarily Dutch, Irish, English, and German. I'm proud of my cultural European heritage.

Don't get me started on Ephraim and Manasseh.

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Not.

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What do you mean by "take it back"? I simply say... TAKE IT.

I vote we stop being panty waste cowards who hike up our dresses running from things of this nature and redeem the culture.

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I vote we stop taking everything pagan into the worship of our God. That is the Catholic Church's modus operandi. It shouldn't be ours.

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I was kidding. I celebrate Christmas. I spend money on it, I put up a pagan tree, I treat the 25th as a holy day, and I watch Rudolph and Frosty. So sue me. :D

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Jesus also never told us to use music in church. So, maybe we should all become Church of Christ, eh.

Bah Humbug!

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Interesting!
Jeremiah 52:30-34

30 In the three and twentieth year of Nebuchadrezzar Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard carried away captive of the Jews seven hundred forty and five persons: all the persons were four thousand and six hundred.

31 And it came to pass in the seven and thirtieth year of the captivity of Jehoiachin king of Judah, in the twelfth month, in the five and twentieth day of the month, that Evilmerodach king of Babylon in the first year of his reign lifted up the head of Jehoiachin king of Judah, and brought him forth out of prison.

32 And spake kindly unto him, and set his throne above the throne of the kings that were with him in Babylon,

33 And changed his prison garments: and he did continually eat bread before him all the days of his life.

34 And for his diet, there was a continual diet given him of the king of Babylon, every day a portion until the day of his death, all the days of his life.

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We are told specifically...

Romans 14:5-6 (King James Version)
5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

...and...

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Why surrender a single day to the secular culture. Take it captive and glorify Christ with it! For example, tear down Hindu temples and build churches on top of the land. It's about spiritual warfare and conquest... not puritanical ascetism, which you're advocating.

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They weren't using the Greek Calendar. lol

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The ancient roots of these practices are European. It's cultural. I know many seem to villainize European peoples and culture... but the truth is... we're the blessed of the Lord. Greatly blessed. I firmly believe that the blessings of Manasseh and Ephraim are upon us. Now go and conquer the culture.

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It isn't about what Jesus didn't tell us to do.

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*gasp* Evilmerodach king of Babylon must have been celebrating Christmas. Just look at his name! Everything about him says "evil"! How dare he give a prophet his freedom on such an unholy day! Jeremiah should have boycotted. Said he'd stay in prison til he rotted rather than accepting such a bad king's gift of freedom and food and all on such a day. Wonder how he got into the bible with such a compromising spirit? :toofunny



I would have never figured out the date on my own... took me a few minutes to convert it to modern English even when it was in bold. :heeheehee

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That wasn't our December 25th though... But I am sure you understand that.

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\That is what the catholics did, send in a priest, adapt the local stuff into the catholic religion to keep the natives happy, build a church on the old temple site and you gots religion.

So why do we want to "take back" something we neither want nor need? It isn't about puritanical ascetism, it is about not worhipping at the altar of idols nor feasting at the table of demons.

As for the scriptures regarding Holy days, the churches of Acts were much different than those today... they were comprised of both Jewish and Gentile believers, a mix that often came into cultural clash. The "Holy Days" Paul was refereing to were the Jewish feasts and calendar days... Not the local pagan day set aside for Mithras, Minerva or whoever.

He was instructing the gentiles to let the Jews regard the feast of tabernacles or whatever if they want, and the Jews to not expect the gentiles to observe them if they didn't want. And if a gentile convert wanted to celebrate passover.. fien. let him.

And the gentiles not to judge the Jews for regarding it if they disiered, and the Jews not to allow anyone to judge them over it.

Nothing to do with "taking back" or "Christianizing" times and seasons that honor false gods.

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Still prety funny though, I had never noticed it.

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Aquila, I know you're going to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, and that what I'm saying is absolutely impossible. I said it all too when I was cautioned.

But, I know well the path I walked to where I ended up. More and more, your posts concern me. You're playing with a fire you don't understand. Please be cautious. The line gets very blurry the closer you get to it and you may not realize you're over it until you no longer care.

Do you have accountability with someone who will tell you like it is? Don't discount what they have to say if you do. And if you don't, please consider finding someone you can trust to bounce your ideas off of.

And you're wrong. There are at least three types of Christians. I definitely flee from pagan ways and I also take every thought and purpose captive into obedience to Christ. This shouldn't be an either/or.

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I just can't wait til we redeem the madi gras!:smack

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Pagan is pagan whether mexican pagan or indian pagan.

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Here's the bottom line. Do you really think that, regardless of origin, God will frown on someone using December 25 as a day to sincerely celebrate his birth and share gifts with family and friends? If you do, you're overthinking it. Are there reasons that the modern version of Christmas has been perverted into something materialistic and commercialized. Sure. Is that a reason not to observe it? Maybe so. I understand that position. But it can be celebrated in a spirit that is pleasing to God. I assure you.

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By your logic then I can and should go out and buy a statue of buddha and stick a label that says "Jesus" on it and set it on my mantle with a candle burning beside it and by so doing I am honoring God by taking back an idol and changing it's name.

That logic is seriously flawed Bro. Sorry.

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:ursofunny

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No
Mostly mine, I am not for or against it. I am against the over emphasis placed on it, and the hypocrisy associated with it when people act like they love you Dec 25 and stab you in the back on the 26th.

And of course the hype and commercialization of it that causes families to hurt themselves financially because they feel obligated to buy the latest and greatest when they could make or do something for someone that would illustrate a spirit of love even more.... and the mindset on the part of the reciever that is disapointed if they get a can of homeamade cookies instead of a 50 dollar itunes card.

I think so, just not as a "Christian" "Holy" day.

But like July 4th, only around a fireplace instead of a grill.

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Oh, I know. I don't know how far off the actual date it actually was. Perhaps that day actually fell on the Winter Solstice or another pagan holiday, or maybe it was after some heathen celebration of another sort... any of which would of course make it 100 times worse.

Its still funny.