What I have learned from AFF
 

IF someone is not a One God, Jesus Name Baptisim, HOly Ghost filled with evidence of speaking in Tongues, living a seperated life of consecration to God christian... they can still be saved.

Trinitarians can remain trinitarians and still go to Heaven.

Tounges is not the intial sign of the Holy Ghost

Baptisim isn't as important to be Jesus name only.

Jesus may not be God, possibly a second...

Appearance doesn't matter to God

Its not a sin for women to:
Cut their hair
Wear Pants
Jewelry
Make-Up

did I miss anything?


An yet they still insist they are Apostolic. :nah

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You left off iron sharpens iron.

Actually, you left off a LOT that has been thrown out there in the past, but that's okay.

I've NEVER read that Jesus might not be God - did you throw that one in there to see if we're reading your post?

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You learned that people won't just accept cliches and rhetoric as gospel, they want scriptures to back it up. :)

(imagine that)

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I haven't been hear a long time, so I am just putting out what I have seen so far..

and the Oneness thread awhile back is where I drew my conclusions that some are not sure Jesus was fully God.

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O and you forgot to mention you learned not to call people names on here also...

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You haven't been here long enough to learn anything. :coffee2

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What you have found is that these things are discussed.

There are people on both sides of the fence here or there would be no need to discuss it.

It is, apparently, unapostolic to even allow discussion of these things in many people's minds.

Many apostolics are accustomed to an atmosphere of perpetual and mutual admiration.

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I'm sure you've missed plenty on this huge generalization. There are various perspectives on many of these issues. How long have you been posting now? 3 days? 4 days?

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What individual (please name them) said they weren't sure Jesus was fully God? Me thinks you are wrong on that point.

In fact, you are hard-pressed to find too many in Christendom that don't believe Jesus was fully God.

And to be accurate, since I suspect no one said that or doubted His divinity, it would also be presumptious to classify AFF in general for the opinion of a one (and possibly a dramatic minority).

What you didn't include in your learnings are these type of people:
Repeat Sunday School rhetoric
When in doubt, use the "obey your pastor" card
Never question doctrine
In debate, avoid scriptural discussions, just be a dump truck of scriptures you think are owned by your position.
Those that view salvation has been a huge hurdle, and we will be lucky if we just barely make it
Those that see their own works as part of their salvation, ignorantly using James' Faith w/out Works sermon.
Those that are quick to label people, but slow to enter true discourse with people.
Those who realize they don't know how to biblically defend their positions, and the usual cycle is: attack everyone else, label them, anger, consideration, study, more study, concession of points, and in the end hopefully a robust biblical world view.

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Well, not all of us! :happydance

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This is funny. I used to be 19 and thought I knew it all too.

Amazing how much you don't know that you don't know at that age.

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Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.

I just can't believe that mrnbcox no longer believes that Jesus is God. Sad.

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As usual, Miss Bratt nailed it with just a few words. :)

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The mind is never so resourceful as when justifying ones self.

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Must have went to one of those UPC Bible Colleges or something.

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I draw my conluson about his divinity by comments made about Jesus praying, etc...

Nobody flat out said he was not God.

Sorry to cause confusion.

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I'm just so sad that you no longer believe Jesus is God. You've drifted so far. Anything I can do to help? Do you need to talk?

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Amazing how much you probably did know at that age that you no longer acknowledge.

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You are cracking me up! :ursofunny

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:lol That west coast one sure messed us up, huh? I wonder how many guys leave the UPC as a result of going to school and learning something?

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Jesus didn't pray?

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You choose to label an entire forum of several hundred people by what you've seen posted by a few people. Stick around a while. You just might REALLY learn something. :)

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Wow....and now you're laughing about it. Doesn't anything bother you anymore? Let's talk. PM me and I'll give you my cell. You need help. Brother, it's not too late. There's still time.

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Like what? What did I know at 19 that I no longer acknowledge?

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Yes he did. that wasn't the problem. Go read the thread.

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One thing you will learn, if you hang around long enough, is that while AFF is very diverse in its opinions, there are a lot of really awesome people here! People who are sincere about studying the word of God. People who will hold your feet to the fire if you post something that they don't think lines up with scripture, or isn't factual.

Not many hypocrites on AFF. While there are many different opinions, everyone is sincere in their beliefs, and most are willing to show you why they believe what they believe.

You'll learn that real discussion and dialog is valued (most of the time).

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I dont know, you havent stated what you did or didn't believe.

You tell me?

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Isn't that the truth!

My 16 year old sure knows a lot, he has an answer for everything.

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So you made a flippant remark without knowing the facts about the person you're talking to? Wisdom is showing, Mr. Cox. :D

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What thread?

Jesus prayed to God. Is that statement a problem for you?

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Pow!!!

That one's gonna leave a mark. :ursofunny

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Ah, I see. I made these alleged comments, and I assure you that I believe fully that Jesus is God come in flesh. My points about Jesus praying weren't about taking away His divinity. Not even hinted, subtly hinted or suggested in the least.

The point was discussing the explanation of His godhead in the standard Trinity vs. Oneness debate. I ascribe to Oneness theology, but perhaps approach the subject humbly, realizing I don't beat my breast because I know and fully understand the godhead. It's confounding to say the least. And no matter which side you support (Oneness or one of the 31 flavors of Trinity) we all have to overcome the mystery factor, and use language at some point to make that leap in logic. The prayer in the garden was an example.

I strongly recommend approaching these topics with attempting to understand what is being said.

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About as much as the flippant remark about how little 19 yr olds know... :smack

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Did you make that up? If not, you should give credit to the source.

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I think I'll just sit back and read for a while. This could be interesting...... :)

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And YET people like you, claiming to be Apostolics while making sure to tell everyone else that does not believe just like you that they are not...keep coming here. Now why is that?

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Thank you for clearing that up for me! :thumbsup

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So you just assumed what I believed?

The issue isn't so much what I believed, but my assurance that it was true.

Yes, I have changed my views but perhaps I am less dogmatic about them this time around.

The only thing I know for sure is that the Redskins losing yesterday was one of the best things I have seen this week.

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Because I work at a bank, and I get bored on our slow days and have nothing better to do!

:D