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I pass a church every day on the way to work that I was pretty sure is a hardline Oneness church based on the signs out front. So today I was looking them up and instead found this church in Philadelphia.

This portion of their page caught my eye.

Statement of Apostolic Policy

You are cordially invited to The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith regardless of race, creed color, or place of national origin. We ask however, that you abide by our Apostolic rules and the women have head covering and not wear pants.

http://www.apostolic-faith.org/

Come as you are if your a man but women we have some extra things for you if you expect to be saved here.

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Baron please tell me this was a joke if it was not a joke lie to me anyway...lol

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They look to be descended from SC Johnson's church. He was hardline death on just about everything. Not a place I would ever even visit, much less attend as a member.

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They have a lot of S.C. Johnson stuff on their webpage. If you really want a good laugh read their history.

They begin their history at Jerusalem and then jump to 1919. Then look at the way they transfer power. Scary.

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So, dare say - - no one here is Apostolic!

LOL!!!!

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You notice it is in the negative, "women NOT WEAR PANTS." So ladies leave your pants at the door, and come on in.

Maybe it would be better if he said please wear dresses or skirts?

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Can anyone say "Nepotism"? Quite the little dynasty they got going there....

"House of Shelton"??? Not at all any pretenses to nobility going on there.

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I wanted to post some of it but you can't cut and paste and I wasn't about to retype it.

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Yes, Bishop Johnson was Church Of THE Lord Jesus Christ, and Bishop Lawson was Church Of OUR Lord Jesus Christ.

COTLJC broke from the COOLJC, which broke from the PAW...

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Yeah pretty scary. I would use the word "cult" to describe what is going on there but we know there are no such thing as apostolic cults.:spit

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Love truth in advertising!

I think this is much better than the plethora of bait and switch apostolic sites out there with stock photos that don't reflect the membership and vague belief statements where you are still a visitor until told in "love" and "convicted by the Holy Ghost" - being coerced to comply.

I would rather know beforehand than to go under false pretense.

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:eek:

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The number of vistors a church has would certainly decline with a statement like that.

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Come on, KK! (btw, love your radio show!:))

Nobody intentionally wants to look like some Apostolics! It takes the Holy Ghost and a good hard-line pastor to convince someone to join the ranks. Bait and switch is the only way to make this work! :)

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Different browser and cut and paste worked fine.

This would make me want to check your church out...

After the passing of Bishop Samuel McDowell Shelton, the believers in the Apostolic Epistle and Bishop Shelton Nehemiah were, by force of arms, physically ejected from our place of worship, located at 22nd and Bainbridge Streets in Philadelphia, PA. Therefore, to make the lawful leadership of The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ known to all men, the Apostolic Epistle on the Subject of Rights of Succession is published for all humanity. Titus 3:1 tells us, "Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work."

As a result of the Apostolic Epistle on the Subject of Rights of Succession, "The titles shall be perpetuated and are hereditary to the oldest son or a nephew or nearest kin." The current Bishop and Apostle, Bishop Shelton Rapha Chabash Luke, is the oldest son of the late Bishop Shelton Nehemiah, as in accordance with the Apostolic Epistle. The Apostolic leadership has been lawfully passed on to the oldest son of the oldest son in accordance with the Apostolic Epistle. The following is the legal and probated Epistle of the late Bishop Samuel McDowell Shelton. Our purpose is to let all things be done decently and in order.

http://www.apostolic-faith.org/history.asp

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I love it that some members were ejected by force of arms!!!!

Now THAT'S my kind of church!! :ursofunny

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yowza

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This statement makes me wonder if their ushers pack heat! :)

If I were to visit this church with my wife wearing pants, would a gun be pulled on us as we were forcefully removed from the church?

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Wow. Well, I guess at least they're honest about it...

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Isn't that the truth. There's actually a church in Baron's neck of the woods that does exactly that, even the "stock photos." Another good friend of mine, much further west...same thing. You'd have to be there for months before it would start to sink in. It's the tried-and-true LDS tactic. By the time you get deep enough to know what's really going on, you're emotionally attached and it's too late.

At least these people have the guts to say and be honest about who they are.

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I've heard that some churches offer "visitor's skirts" that you can put on.

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Marilyn Gazowsky did that at one time. I'm guessing they no longer institute that policy. They had fairly large signs posted in the lobby.

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Is that anything like the guy that got in trouble with the law because his wife told him to drop his pants at the Dry Cleaners?

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There is a message from the Pentecostals of West Monroe's Week of Annointing in which Wayne Huntley teaches this as a method for church growth. He even said that he wants some people to not convert to standards real fast so that he can have some "decoys" for the sinners. In the same sermon he also mentions that we don't have true converts until they think "we are right and everybody else is wrong". I was blown away by these comments and they helped me really start distancing myself from UPC doctrine.

Why do we have to lie to people if it is the truth?

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I used to work with a person who was very proud of the policy of the Baptist church where he went. They had signs specifying that no women were allowed in the building wearing pants. He told me that even if a woman florist or delivery person came to deliver flowers for a funeral or wedding she would not be allowed in the building if she had on pants.

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We have a serious poroblem with visitors showing up in my church with shorts on in summer.

I am thinking some "visitor long britches" is probably the way to fix this.

And for the ladies perhaps a selection of "visitor uncut wigs"

Oh man this has got me just brimming over with ideas....

wonder what materials are best suitable? we would want them to be disposable for health and safety concerns.

Maybe a long sleeve paper shirt with preattached paper tie that buttuns or zips up the back for guys...

I am seeing a whole industry here with big potential....

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Johny Paycheck's " Sinners prayer" sure makes a lot of sense to me after being on here a couple days!

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Endless possibilities!!!!

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Maybe the Pentecostal Publishing House can offer these,

or Home Mission pastors, or missionaries in foreign countries could be provided with packages of these.

Sis. Alvear is not UPC but she has mentioned preaching to folks who are not dressed "properly." Maybe she could carry some of these with her and ask folks to dress "properly" before she will preach to them.

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Is this posted online?

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Head coverings? So they are more of the Apostolic Assembly interpretation of 1 Corinthians 11. Similar to mfblume.

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Do you mean outlaws prayer?

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Johnny Paycheck
Outlaws Prayer

You know, I worked the Big Packet show in Fort Worth, Saturday night,
We had all day Sunday to rest and relax, before I caught another flight.
So I decided to walk down town an' get myself a little fresh air.
Before long, I found myself in front of a big church on the corner of the square.

Boy, I could hear that singin' way out in the street, sure was a beautiful sound.
So I just walked up the steps an' opened the door an' started to go inside an' sit down.
But before I could, a young man walked over to me an said: "Excuse me, Sir,
"But I can't let you in with that big black hat, those jeans, that beard an' long hair.

So I just left, went back outside, sat down on that curb, an I thought to myself:
That's the house of the Lord. That guy's got the hell of a nerve.
Tellin' me I can't worship anywhere I please.
So right there, in front of that Church, I just knelt down on my knees.

I said: "Lord, I know I don't look like much, but I didn't think you'd mind.
"I just wanted to be with your people, Lord: it's been a long time.
"A while ago, a saw a wino over there in the alley, all bent over in tears,
"An' I thought how one stained glass window, from this Church, would feed his family for years."

"Then there's those fine cars parked outside: too many for me to count.
"Made me think how people walked for days to hear your sermon on the mount.
"Then there's those fine ladies in the choir, Lord, singin' like they really love it.
"Hell, last night, they were dancin' on the front row of my show: drinkin' beer, screamin: 'Sing Shove It.'

"You know, even John the Baptist wouldn't be welcome in this place,
"With his coat made of Camel hair an' sandals on his feet an' a long beard on his face.
"You know, Lord, when you come back to get your children, an' take 'em beyond the clouds,
"To live forever in Heaven with you: well, I'd sure hate to be in this crowd.

"You know, Lord, I'm not perfect; some even call me no count.
"But I'll tell you: I believe a man is judged by what's in his heart, not what's in his bank account.
"So if this is what religion is: a big car, a suit an' a tie,
"Then I might as well forget it Lord, 'cause I can't qualify.

"Oh, by the way, Lord, right before they kicked me out, didn't I see a picture of you?
"With sandals an' a beard. Believe you had long hair too."
"Well, this is Paycheck, signing off.
"I'll be seein' you Lord, I hope."

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Yea that could be it! Its been a while since I heard it, but it sure rings true!

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I'm not familiar with that song. Could you post the You Tube video here?

Speaking of the late Johnny Paycheck, he used to live not far from here.

He got into an altercation at a local bar in a small town, shot someone, and left. On the way home he threw the gun into a pond but didn't realize the pond was frozen over so the gun was easily retrieved by the local law.

After he spent his time in jail, and was released he put on a concert at one of the local night spots. They advertised, "He's out of jail and ready to wail" and jokingly said, "check your guns at the door." My wife and I went and it was a pretty good concert.

I guess his main claim to fame was his song, "Take This Job and Shove It" which we can all relate to. I think he had another one about, "Don't Monkey with Another Man's Monkey Or It May Make a Monkey Out of You." There were probably others but I don't remember them.

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Your wife didn't happen to sing in the choir did she? Maybe that was your church he was talking about in that song.

"Then there's those fine ladies in the choir, Lord, singin' like they really love it.
"Last night, they were dancin' on the front row of my show: drinkin' beer, screamin: 'Sing Shove It.'

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Not that I know of. I think I have the CD somewhere.

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I can't imagine there being any problems with visitors! :)

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I guess now visitors/sinners have to adhear to a dress code even to "get saved"?????????? That is pitiful!!!!