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n david 01-19-2010 07:12 AM

Massachusetts Election Day
 
Could this be the beginning of the Democrats losses?

Can the seat Ted Whino Kennedy held for so many years really be won by .... *gasp!* .... a Republican!?!

In a state where every major elected official is a Democrat; where Democrats outnumber Republicans 3 to 1 ... can Scott Brown (a Republican) win this election.

They say while Democrats outnumber Republicans, there are more Independents than both parties combined.

I love Scott Brown's comment during the debate after hearing all this junk from Kennedy's widow and others about how the people need to preserve Kennedy's legacy and keep his seat ... Brown said, "with all due respect, it is not Kennedy's seat; it's the people's seat." Simply awesome!

I know everything is against Brown to win ... but I'm hoping and praying Indie's, Republicans and conservative Democrats blow away voting records, help elect Brown in a landslide and defeat BHO's healthcare.

This election is all about healthcare; Brown has said a number of times that if elected, he's going to be the vote to stop it from passing. Coakley has said she will be the deciding vote to pass it.

Libs are so scared about losing, they're calling on people to cheat by trying to vote multiple times. Lib talk show loser Ed Schultz says he would do it to keep Brown from winning.

If you live in MA - vote for Brown! This is the only opportunity, legally, to slap BHO and the Democrats in the face! :lol

RandyWayne 01-19-2010 09:24 AM

Re: Massachusetts Election Day
 
My hope is that Brown wins by enough to mitigate all the democratic cheating which will be taking place.....

We can hope.

Esther 01-19-2010 09:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 867186)
Could this be the beginning of the Democrats losses?

Can the seat Ted Whino Kennedy held for so many years really be won by .... *gasp!* .... a Republican!?!

In a state where every major elected official is a Democrat; where Democrats outnumber Republicans 3 to 1 ... can Scott Brown (a Republican) win this election.

They say while Democrats outnumber Republicans, there are more Independents than both parties combined.

I love Scott Brown's comment during the debate after hearing all this junk from Kennedy's widow and others about how the people need to preserve Kennedy's legacy and keep his seat ... Brown said, "with all due respect, it is not Kennedy's seat; it's the people's seat." Simply awesome!

I know everything is against Brown to win ... but I'm hoping and praying Indie's, Republicans and conservative Democrats blow away voting records, help elect Brown in a landslide and defeat BHO's healthcare.

This election is all about healthcare; Brown has said a number of times that if elected, he's going to be the vote to stop it from passing. Coakley has said she will be the deciding vote to pass it.

Libs are so scared about losing, they're calling on people to cheat by trying to vote multiple times. Lib talk show loser Ed Schultz says he would do it to keep Brown from winning.

If you live in MA - vote for Brown! This is the only opportunity, legally, to slap BHO and the Democrats in the face! :lol

They also said that if Brown wins they will hold the installation pass the voting time on the Healthcare issue.

Dirty politics there.

n david 01-19-2010 09:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 867215)
My hope is that Brown wins by enough to mitigate all the democratic cheating which will be taking place.....

We can hope.

Yes, we can! :lol

Brown needs to win by enough to stop a long, drawn-out recount.

n david 01-19-2010 09:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 867223)
They also said that if Brown wins they will hold the installation pass the voting time on the Healthcare issue.

Dirty politics there.

I read somewhere yesterday that GOP lawyers already fired a shot across the bow on that. Congressional precedent is that, if elected by a percentage larger than needed for recount, Brown is (again by precedent) a Senator at that time. He doesn't need to wait to be certified. If he wins, he'll begin getting paid as a US Senator tomorrow ... not once he gets certified.

Plus I think the Democrats will tread lightly on this. They're under the glaring bright lights and microscope of public scrutiny on this. They will definitely get a backlash in november if they try anything shady.

Jermyn Davidson 01-19-2010 11:11 AM

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Democratic cheating?


:)

Jermyn Davidson 01-19-2010 11:15 AM

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Where has any Democratic Party Operative called on people to cheat by voting multiple times in the Mass election?


Also, doesn't anyone remember our very own Rush telling folks in PA and other places who were Republican to vote in the Democrat primaries to muddy up the results and to draw out the process?


He was telling folks to vote for Hillary because in his mind Hillary would have been easier to beat than Barack.

But that's not cheating is it? It's underhanded, dishonest even, but not quite cheating.



Yeah, us Republicans do things right by the book always.

n david 01-19-2010 11:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 867289)
Where has any Democratic Party Operative called on people to cheat by voting multiple times in the Mass election?

Also, doesn't anyone remember our very own Rush telling folks in PA and other places who were Republican to vote in the Democrat primaries to muddy up the results and to draw out the process?

He was telling folks to vote for Hillary because in his mind Hillary would have been easier to beat than Barack.

But that's not cheating is it? It's underhanded, dishonest even, but not quite cheating.

Yeah, us Republicans do things right by the book always.

Thankfully I'm a registered Indie, otherwise I'd take offense with you using "us Republicans." You're anything but a Republican. RINO maybe, but even that's pushing it. C'mon JD, wear your liberal label with pride. That's what you are. Be proud of what you are.

Here's the link to Ed Schultz's comment about voting multiple times....

Quote:

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: I tell you what, if I lived in Massachusetts, I'd try to vote ten times. I don't know if they'd let me or not, but I'd try to. Yeah, that's right, I'd cheat to keep these (edited) out. I would. 'Cause that's exactly what they are.
Source

The difference between what Rush did, in calling for people to register to vote in an open primary, and what Schultz did is pretty simple. Rush's plan didn't break any rules or law ... Schultz's idea does. But you liberals don't care. As long as your guy (or girl in this case) beats the bad Republican, who cares HOW they do it.

crakjak 01-19-2010 11:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 867289)
Where has any Democratic Party Operative called on people to cheat by voting multiple times in the Mass election?


Also, doesn't anyone remember our very own Rush telling folks in PA and other places who were Republican to vote in the Democrat primaries to muddy up the results and to draw out the process?


He was telling folks to vote for Hillary because in his mind Hillary would have been easier to beat than Barack.

But that's not cheating is it? It's underhanded, dishonest even, but not quite cheating.



Yeah, us Republicans do things right by the book always.

Classic!! Again Jermyn, you just change the subject.

Because the conservatives are more the mainstream of American the Demos know the only way to win seats is to cheat and to "change the subject". Of course, I could change the subject to Obama'a Acorn, but that is another thread!! Demos cheating is so commonplace that even the justice dept, just shrugs its shoulders!!! JMO

Isn't politics great!!!

n david 01-19-2010 12:04 PM

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My apology for the quote with the bad language from Ed Schultz. I should have edited it out before posting.

ChTatum 01-19-2010 01:02 PM

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Well, it's over....according to the Boston Globe. They called Coakley the winner 50% to 49% 8 hours before the polls close.

scotty 01-19-2010 01:18 PM

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Theres a surprise. :nah

Jermyn Davidson 01-19-2010 01:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 867324)
Classic!! Again Jermyn, you just change the subject.

Because the conservatives are more the mainstream of American the Demos know the only way to win seats is to cheat and to "change the subject". Of course, I could change the subject to Obama'a Acorn, but that is another thread!! Demos cheating is so commonplace that even the justice dept, just shrugs its shoulders!!! JMO

Isn't politics great!!!

I didn't change the subject.

We're talking about people advocating questionable actions in order to affect a democratic election.


What Rush advocated was completely legal, though his intents were anything but honorable.

What Schultz said is that he would cheat, if it would be allowed. However, it is well understood that he or anyone else would be able to vote more than once.

He sure did not plainly state for anyone to go and try to cheat.

Rush told people to go and purposely muddy the process of the primaries in the states it is possible due to their lax election laws.

rgcraig 01-19-2010 02:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChTatum (Post 867398)
Well, it's over....according to the Boston Globe. They called Coakley the winner 50% to 49% 8 hours before the polls close.

They are hoping that will keep the Reps from coming on out and voting if they think it's over.

scotty 01-19-2010 04:03 PM

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Watchdog Group Raises Concern About Dead Voters on Massachusetts Rolls

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...husetts-rolls/

hmmmm, this looks familar

scotty 01-19-2010 04:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 867433)
What Schultz said is that he would cheat, if it would be allowed.

He sure did not plainly state for anyone to go and try to cheat.

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: I tell you what, if I lived in Massachusetts, I'd try to vote ten times. I don't know if they'd let me or not, but I'd try to. Yeah, that's right, I'd cheat to keep these (edited) out. I would. 'Cause that's exactly what they are.

Bro. Jermyn, you cant even twist the one step three step doctrine that bad.

crakjak 01-19-2010 04:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 867483)
Watchdog Group Raises Concern About Dead Voters on Massachusetts Rolls

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...husetts-rolls/

hmmmm, this looks familar

In the tradition of Lyndon Baines Johnson, the great south Texas Democrat, may God rest his soul.

oletime 01-19-2010 07:20 PM

Re: Massachusetts Election Day
 
its over, brown is killing her by 8 pts with 60 percent reporting.

*AQuietPlace* 01-19-2010 07:28 PM

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News outlets reporting that she has conceded.

oletime 01-19-2010 07:35 PM

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she aint the sharpest knife, someone asked her about a quote from curt schilling red sox great, who endorsed brown and she says oh great another yankee fan. brilliant !

Margies3 01-19-2010 07:42 PM

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I believe that citizens of Mass. are sending a message to Obama and his cronies in Washington. They need to start listening or what out - things will flip flop yet again and put the Republicans back on top (which would be a good thing, btw)

deacon blues 01-19-2010 07:54 PM

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Obama is in trouble. Brown said he would be the vote to stop the healthcare bill. BO went to Mass to try to help Coakley. So far they've lost New Jersey Governor, Virginia Governor, now TED KENNEDY'S Senate seat in Mass! If they try to ram this thing through before Brown is seated, they will commit political suicide. November will be a HUGE loss for Dems. BO and the Dems in Washington better listen to the voice of the people. Mass is 3 to 1 Democrats to Republicans. A Kennedy has held this seat for 50 years.

Blanche Lincoln, Harry Reid, Arlen Specter have to be concerned. Their reelection campaigns are much more in doubt than ever. MSNBC is hilarious. Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews are spinning this loss like crazy. Its all about Coakley running a poor campaign. It has nothing to do with Obama and his policies. Right.

ChTatum 01-19-2010 08:02 PM

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Repudiation of this administration's policies.

crakjak 01-19-2010 08:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 867539)
Obama is in trouble. Brown said he would be the vote to stop the healthcare bill. BO went to Mass to try to help Coakley. So far they've lost New Jersey Governor, Virginia Governor, now TED KENNEDY'S Senate seat in Mass! If they try to ram this thing through before Brown is seated, they will commit political suicide. November will be a HUGE loss for Dems. BO and the Dems in Washington better listen to the voice of the people. Mass is 3 to 1 Democrats to Republicans. A Kennedy has held this seat for 50 years.

Blanche Lincoln, Harry Reid, Arlen Specter have to be concerned. Their reelection campaigns are much more in doubt than ever. MSNBC is hilarious. Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews are spinning this loss like crazy. Its all about Coakley running a poor campaign. It has nothing to do with Obama and his policies. Right.

Obamacare is dead, may it rest alongside Hilliarycare!!! And may all the far leftist be swept out of public office!!

*AQuietPlace* 01-19-2010 09:04 PM

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It's simply amazing for a Republican to take Ted Kennedy's seat!

Dedicated Mind 01-19-2010 09:12 PM

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Scott Brown ran as an independent not as a republican. There is still hope for the democrats.

Neck 01-19-2010 09:36 PM

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To quote Scarface (Al Pacino), "You want to play rough!" "Say, hello to my little friend!" Today my little friend is newly elected senator from MA, Scott Brown. Click on the attached link and from me to the Democrat Party this is how I feel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQh80G5TAek

Neck 01-19-2010 09:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 867565)
Scott Brown ran as an independent not as a republican. There is still hope for the democrats.


Independent in this case does not mean the absence of the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. In is the inclusiveness of the Republican Party and the Democratic party coming together. If this is a case of the independent voter than watch out Democrat Party because you are going to get it handed to you in Nov...

deacon blues 01-19-2010 09:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 867565)
Scott Brown ran as an independent not as a republican. There is still hope for the democrats.

That's funny, I thought I saw an elephant on the big screen on the stage at his victory party.

BeenThinkin 01-19-2010 10:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 867565)
Scott Brown ran as an independent not as a republican. There is still hope for the democrats.

Yeah!!!! But to the best of my recollection, "HE WON! HE WON," regardless what he ran as!:smack

Sam 01-19-2010 11:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 867561)
Obamacare is dead, may it rest alongside Hilliarycare!!! And may all the far leftist be swept out of public office!!

AMEN

Nitehawk013 01-20-2010 05:29 AM

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Let us all hope Brown is able to kill Obamacare.

Sadly, the rumor now is that Voinovich, the coward hack from my great state of Ohio, is willing to deal with Obama and vote for the bill in order to maintain the 60 vote majority even if Brown opposes it. Voinovich is in his final term, has always been a spinless weasel IMO and thinks it is better to do something about healthcare by passing this nonsense than to continue arguing and doing nothing.

deacon blues 01-20-2010 05:46 AM

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Great words from the VICTOR, Scott Brown: "We are going to spend money on weapons to defeat terroriats, not on lawyers to defend them!"

His campaign focused on terror, taxes and healthcare. Obama, although increasing troop levels in Afghanistan, appears weak on terror with the Cmas Day bomber, closing Gitmo and bringing the terrorist prisoners to New York to put on trial. The proposed increase in taxes is a vulnerable spot. The healthcare bill is increasingly unpopular and yet it appears these guys are going to rush this thing through.

Bill Clinton got the message of the Republican Revolution in 1994, adjusted his politics to be more centrist and survived to win in 1996. I don't know if these guys: Obama, Emmanuel and Axelrod are politically savvy enough to learn the lesson of this Massachusetts upset and realize their political future is in the balanace. They're idealogues. They are driven to alter the landscape of basic American life. Saul Alinsky, Jeremiah Wright, Karl Marx, the Weather Underground, and a pletheora of other leftist individuals and movements have shaped these guys into who they are.

They rode a wave of American discontentment with the Republican Party and George W's free spending and the bursting of the housing bubble. The GOP ran a moderate candidate (a recipe for losing a la Ford, Bush I, Dole) who wasn't aggressive enough with Obama. They squelched the best thing they had going for them: Sarah Palin. The economy bottomed out a month and a half before the election. The perfect storm for the Dems.

I don't believe this administration will adjust between now and November. Their losses will be huge. They will not learn by 2012. This will be a one term president.

n david 01-20-2010 06:17 AM

Re: Massachusetts Election Day
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 867565)
Scott Brown ran as an independent not as a republican. There is still hope for the democrats.

Nice try.

Brown ran as a Republican; he was vocal about being the deciding vote to defeat BHO's healthcare; he ran as a war hawk, a fiscal and social conservative. He was not coy or hesitant to show what party he ran with ... McCain helped his campaign and Guiliani came out to one of his events.

Make no mistake about it, you can't spin it. He ran as a Republican.

What happened last night to the Democrats would have happened to the Republicans if the roles were reversed. The Indie voters were sick of one-party rule, lack of transparency ... and the voters in Mass, who have their own version of gov't healthcare, made a statement against BHO's healthcare by voting for the Republican who will (if possible) vote against it.

deacon blues 01-20-2010 06:30 AM

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The Spin Doctors on MSNBC are trying hard to say that this loss is about anti-incumbency or anger at the Dems for not being aggressive enough with liberal policies or blah blah blah. What they are very careful to say is that this has nothing to do with President Obama. They aren't going to believe that its ALL about Obama!

Esther 01-20-2010 06:34 AM

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Thank God for this victory!

Jermyn Davidson 01-20-2010 07:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 867607)
Thank God for this victory!

I echo your joy!

Today is a great day to be an American!


There will never be a need for bloody revolutions as long as we have our freedom to vote.

I am glad Scott Brown won!

As much as I see a need for Healthcare Reform, it was never my intent to be forced to pay the equivalent of an extra car note for it.

Jermyn Davidson 01-20-2010 07:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 867606)
The Spin Doctors on MSNBC are trying hard to say that this loss is about anti-incumbency or anger at the Dems for not being aggressive enough with liberal policies or blah blah blah. What they are very careful to say is that this has nothing to do with President Obama. They aren't going to believe that its ALL about Obama!

It's not all about the President, in part yes, but not all.

He'd better believe that this stunning upset was indeed a referendum on Healthcare Reform as it is presently developing.


He'd better believe it and adjust, even if MSNBC doesn't know it.

n david 01-20-2010 07:24 AM

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I agree there should be some kind of reform. Part of the reason for high costs is due to insurance hospitals and doctors have to carry because of lawsuits. Tort reform should be on the table as a part of real healthcare reform.

I highly doubt this administration will seriously consider tort reform. Democrats complain that the GOP is lock-step with drug makers and healthcare providers, and the GOP complains that the Democrats are lock-step with lawyers. Because of this, neither party is going to do anything meaningful with regards to tort reform or healthcare.

Nitehawk013 01-20-2010 07:27 AM

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Over 50% of those polled after the Brown win said they voted for Brown in order to stop Obamacare. That should send the message to Obama LOUD AND CLEAR!


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