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TJJJ 01-29-2010 01:31 PM

Obama says, if the GOP would just quit saying no..
 
Obama: Republicans leaving themselves little room
January 29th, 2010 @ 11:23am

BALITMORE (AP) - President Barack Obama is telling Republicans that their rhetoric claiming his plans would "destroy America" has left them little room to reach bipartisan solutions.

Obama on Friday told GOP members of the House that their name-calling and blind opposition have led them to become politically vulnerable because their sole message is that they say "no" to the first-term president. Obama says their characterization of his plans as part of some "Bolshevik plot" has been unhelpful to both parties.

Obama says Republicans' statements have boxed them in with their conservative base. He says the tone in Washington has become corrosive and is not serving their constituents, something he says must change.

BeenThinkin 01-29-2010 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 871898)
Obama: Republicans leaving themselves little room
January 29th, 2010 @ 11:23am

BALITMORE (AP) - President Barack Obama is telling Republicans that their rhetoric claiming his plans would "destroy America" has left them little room to reach bipartisan solutions.

Obama on Friday told GOP members of the House that their name-calling and blind opposition have led them to become politically vulnerable because their sole message is that they say "no" to the first-term president. Obama says their characterization of his plans as part of some "Bolshevik plot" has been unhelpful to both parties.

Obama says Republicans' statements have boxed them in with their conservative base. He says the tone in Washington has become corrosive and is not serving their constituents, something he says must change.


What a joke! If Pres. Obama were to take responsibility for anything he'd done I think I'd pass out.

TJJJ why don't you run for president? I'd vote for you if you'd run against Obama.

BeenThinkin

n david 01-29-2010 02:12 PM

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Yep, blame Dubya and the Republicans. Nothing's BHO's or the Democrats fault.

Cindy 01-29-2010 05:49 PM

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Come to find out, Obama is related to a lot of white Republicans, including the Bush family.

Jermyn Davidson 01-29-2010 05:55 PM

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Oh WOW I didn't know that someone else had posted a thread about this same meeting in Baltimore!!!

The President has a point.

If it was wrong to unnecessarily demonize the former President, it is wrong to do the same for the current President, regardless of the political party.

Cindy 01-29-2010 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 872003)
Oh WOW I didn't know that someone else had posted a thread about this same meeting in Baltimore!!!

The President has a point.

If it was wrong to unnecessarily demonize the former President, it is wrong to do the same for the current President, regardless of the political party.

Yes, I agree. And the thing I find kind of ironic is that 2 former President's got together to ask for support for Haiti. No politics.

Jermyn Davidson 01-29-2010 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 871911)
Yep, blame Dubya and the Republicans. Nothing's BHO's or the Democrats fault.

If you read the article, you should not come away with that as the President's message to the GOP at all.


In fact, the President and the GOP took turns lecturing, tossing barbs, and surprisingly, even listening to each other.

Imagine that-- a call to civility in American politics!!

Praxeas 01-29-2010 07:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 871898)
Obama: Republicans leaving themselves little room
January 29th, 2010 @ 11:23am

BALITMORE (AP) - President Barack Obama is telling Republicans that their rhetoric claiming his plans would "destroy America" has left them little room to reach bipartisan solutions.

Obama on Friday told GOP members of the House that their name-calling and blind opposition have led them to become politically vulnerable because their sole message is that they say "no" to the first-term president. Obama says their characterization of his plans as part of some "Bolshevik plot" has been unhelpful to both parties.

Obama says Republicans' statements have boxed them in with their conservative base. He says the tone in Washington has become corrosive and is not serving their constituents, something he says must change.

So in other words Republicans have to NOT play by the same rules Democrats do and ONLY then will Obama let you play with him?

Praxeas 01-29-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 872003)
Oh WOW I didn't know that someone else had posted a thread about this same meeting in Baltimore!!!

The President has a point.

If it was wrong to unnecessarily demonize the former President, it is wrong to do the same for the current President, regardless of the political party.

That never stopped the Democrats. That didn't stop Obama ever blaming Bush and the Republicans since he got into office.

Jermyn Davidson 01-29-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 872054)
That never stopped the Democrats. That didn't stop Obama ever blaming Bush and the Republicans since he got into office.

Some things Bush must take the blame for.

President Obama took the blame on not presenting healthcare reform to the American puiblic in a clear manner.

The President is not always dodging the bullet and passing the blame.

To say he never takes repsonsibility would be inaccurate.

TJJJ 01-29-2010 08:29 PM

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Speaking of the blame game,

Am reading a book about the current financial meltdown. Two different ones actually.

They lay the blame for this meltdown squarely on.......


Willy Jeff Clinton's shoulders.

That is because, they claim, he disolved the law that made investment banks and depository banks from merging.

Then his HUD chairperson forced the banks to give lending to everyone, regardless of the ability to repay.

The books are:

House of card by william Cohan

and

A colossal failure of common sense by Lawrence Mcdonald

oletime 01-30-2010 05:40 AM

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the fact of the matter is the repubs have been totally shut out on any dicussions and decisions and they complained loudly, then they get blamed for the decisions the dems make without them ! not once has obama said thats my fault .

TJJJ 01-30-2010 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by oletime (Post 872129)
the fact of the matter is the repubs have been totally shut out on any dicussions and decisions and they complained loudly, then they get blamed for the decisions the dems make without them ! not once has obama said thats my fault .

And he is not going to either!

This year is going to be the blame game as the dems are in the saving seats mode! They are scared too death that the RNC is going to swamp them.

One Dem said a bloodbath is in their future.

Look for everything to be blamed on GWB and the RNC.

:nah

Bowas 01-30-2010 09:54 AM

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Kind of like when Hillary Clinton said,
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic, We should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration"

When the Dems do it,it is the right thing to do, when the Reps do it, it is obstructionism. Oh I get it.

Praxeas 01-30-2010 01:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 872090)
Speaking of the blame game,

Am reading a book about the current financial meltdown. Two different ones actually.

They lay the blame for this meltdown squarely on.......


Willy Jeff Clinton's shoulders.

That is because, they claim, he disolved the law that made investment banks and depository banks from merging.

Then his HUD chairperson forced the banks to give lending to everyone, regardless of the ability to repay.

The books are:

House of card by william Cohan

and

A colossal failure of common sense by Lawrence Mcdonald

Michael Savage brought that up.

I like Jerry Doyle, he really gets into that kind of stuff.
http://www.jerrydoyle.com/

Not only that stuff about investment bankers etc etc but under Clinton they came up with the stuff forcing banks to give out risky home loans.

Then the current Dems also contributed through fanny man and freddy mac.

But the Dems are not all to blame. The Republicans like to deregulate everything including the stock market so there were some problems there too

Praxeas 01-30-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 872059)
Some things Bush must take the blame for.

President Obama took the blame on not presenting healthcare reform to the American puiblic in a clear manner.

The President is not always dodging the bullet and passing the blame.

To say he never takes repsonsibility would be inaccurate.

Bush can take the blame, but it's pure smokescreen to keep pointing fingers at Bush or the Republicans when things are not going your way. Ok Bush was already "tried" in the Media. The Dems platform was "blame bush"...

Ok Bush GOT blamed for what he should be blamed for...it's time to move on and get rid of the scapegoat for every democratic failure.

BTW if you really listen or read what Obama does is passive agressive...He disarms you with "and I take blame for that", but then he does the "But what about THEM???"

So he makes it sound like "Hey, Im not perfect but THEY are the ones that really screwed this up for us...Hey, Im not perfectm, but Im trying to fix THEIR mess and if Im not doing a good enough job you can blame them. If I am doing a great job, you can thank me"

Twisp 01-31-2010 01:02 AM

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Having listened to a good bit of it, I remember why I and a surprising number of my conservative friends voted for him. This what we heard on the campaign trail and were attracted to. Clear, clean, concise points and plans. A different way of doing politics. He has gotten a little sidetracked during his first year in office, but I hope and pray he becomes the president America voted for.

oletime 01-31-2010 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 872428)
Having listened to a good bit of it, I remember why I and a surprising number of my conservative friends voted for him. This what we heard on the campaign trail and were attracted to. Clear, clean, concise points and plans. A different way of doing politics. He has gotten a little sidetracked during his first year in office, but I hope and pray he becomes the president America voted for.

sorry t the sidetracking was the campaign words ,the real thing is what is being exposed now , leftist ,socialist, moonbat theology.we know whats best for the hoi poloi not them.so we will just force it on them and eventually they will realize big brother was right .

Twisp 01-31-2010 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by oletime (Post 872435)
sorry t the sidetracking was the campaign words ,the real thing is what is being exposed now , leftist ,socialist, moonbat theology.we know whats best for the hoi poloi not them.so we will just force it on them and eventually they will realize big brother was right .

No, it's not. Republican's are trying their best to stay relevant, and they know outlandish claims like that will get them headlines. Much like this session, talking points won't get you far.

The fact is that Obama was/is a relatively young candidate that resonated with the majority of the younger crowd. He made a lot of campaign promises and seemed to understand us a lot more than McCain. That crowd responded by voting in record numbers.

He might not have lived up to all of his promises thus far, but we'll continue to let him try. Honestly, barring a major incident, we'll probably let him try to for another term as well. We are tired of the way politicians work, and he gives us the best chance for that to change.

This Q & A session displayed him getting back to that, hopefully, and is very exciting.

oletime 01-31-2010 11:00 AM

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he hasnt lived up to ANY of his promises, btw im dem, but i know reality when i see it, there will be a bloodbath this fall and he is doomed, period ! the shear hipocrisy of this guy is not to be believed, the latest when he claimed the deficit and jobs were most important ,yet he added trillions to it then complained when the repubs dont participate, when they were totally shut out of the debate on this obamacare. it was totally his and shoved through to its present point where it will die an ignomious death. he thinks the people of this country are totally unimportant to this debate when the vast majority of voters want nothing to do with it and it will continue to be proven .the scott brown election was just the beginning .

deacon blues 01-31-2010 11:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 872428)
Having listened to a good bit of it, I remember why I and a surprising number of my conservative friends voted for him. This what we heard on the campaign trail and were attracted to. Clear, clean, concise points and plans. A different way of doing politics. He has gotten a little sidetracked during his first year in office, but I hope and pray he becomes the president America voted for.

Twisp, what were the crisp, clean and concise points BO was making during the election?

One of the hits he took from his opponents was that he campaigned on "hope"...without the details. But that didn't matter. Folks were more interested in the cult of personality: young, good looking, articulate, great camera and stage presence. Too many Americans couldn't vote for an older, stiff from torture, scarred and handicapped war hero, because he's not attractive.

I contend that a vast number of people voted for Obama because of how he made them feel, versus what we knew about him. The extreme liberal views of his associates, statements from his past, even reading between the lines of his campaign promises were obvious what he would do.

There were no surprises to me in 2009. Appointees who did pay taxes, radical czars who made audacious statements while representing the office of POTUS, increased spending that made all previous presidencies appear miniscule by comparison, an overreaching healthcare bill, no bipartisanship, no transparency, many broken campaign promises, and a worsening economy and unemployment rate.

I didn't vote for him in spite of his stage presence amd his nice smile. I apply the same principle to used car salesmen: I LISTEN TO THE SUBSTANCE and I CHECK THEIR TRACK RECORD.

Try that in November this year and I think your vote will reflect your views better (if you are a conservative). You won't end up with an empty suit.

Praxeas 01-31-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 872484)
Twisp, what were the crisp, clean and concise points BO was making during the election?

One of the hits he took from his opponents was that he campaigned on "hope"...without the details. But that didn't matter. Folks were more interested in the cult of personality: young, good looking, articulate, great camera and stage presence. Too many Americans couldn't vote for an older, stiff from torture, scarred and handicapped war hero, because he's not attractive.

I contend that a vast number of people voted for Obama because of how he made them feel, versus what we knew about him. The extreme liberal views of his associates, statements from his past, even reading between the lines of his campaign promises were obvious what he would do.

There were no surprises to me in 2009. Appointees who did pay taxes, radical czars who made audacious statements while representing the office of POTUS, increased spending that made all previous presidencies appear miniscule by comparison, an overreaching healthcare bill, no bipartisanship, no transparency, many broken campaign promises, and a worsening economy and unemployment rate.

I didn't vote for him in spite of his stage presence amd his nice smile. I apply the same principle to used car salesmen: I LISTEN TO THE SUBSTANCE and I CHECK THEIR TRACK RECORD.

Try that in November this year and I think your vote will reflect your views better (if you are a conservative). You won't end up with an empty suit.

I have to agree with you completely. People are swayed by emotions today. They don't think rationally.

Praxeas 01-31-2010 02:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 872477)
No, it's not. Republican's are trying their best to stay relevant, and they know outlandish claims like that will get them headlines. Much like this session, talking points won't get you far.

The fact is that Obama was/is a relatively young candidate that resonated with the majority of the younger crowd. He made a lot of campaign promises and seemed to understand us a lot more than McCain. That crowd responded by voting in record numbers.

He might not have lived up to all of his promises thus far, but we'll continue to let him try. Honestly, barring a major incident, we'll probably let him try to for another term as well. We are tired of the way politicians work, and he gives us the best chance for that to change.

This Q & A session displayed him getting back to that, hopefully, and is very exciting.

Every candidate makes promises they hope the majority of voters will like and vote for that person but few keep those promises.

Obama has not brought change. He is a politician like the rest of them, just further left of any other in recent years

Ferd 02-01-2010 08:26 AM

Re: Obama says, if the GOP would just quit saying
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 872428)
Having listened to a good bit of it, I remember why I and a surprising number of my conservative friends voted for him. This what we heard on the campaign trail and were attracted to. Clear, clean, concise points and plans. A different way of doing politics. He has gotten a little sidetracked during his first year in office, but I hope and pray he becomes the president America voted for.


I find it really hard to believe that any conservative voted for Barak Obama unless they were simply doing so as a stragy to toss the Democrat Lite Republicans out of office.

Barak Obama is a HARD LEFT person and will likely continue to be hard left.

One's ability to convince themselves they are a conservative is no indication that they are in fact a concervative.

Ferd 02-01-2010 08:28 AM

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I keep hearing in my ears words like

"Ignor the existance of Bill Ayers"

What? Well, now we see dont we?

deacon blues 02-03-2010 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 872669)
I keep hearing in my ears words like

"Ignore the existence of Bill Ayers"

What? Well, now we see dont we?

Ferd, did you see that Bill Ayers complained the economy is still bad and we are still at war in the Middle East? Even Bill Ayers is unhappy with BO!

November is looking scary for the Dems...


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