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EA 02-13-2010 10:25 AM

An Angel Highway?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ia4KJlhPMc

Timmy 02-13-2010 10:36 AM

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Hmm. Wonder what my angel's been up to, lately? :heeheehee

*AQuietPlace* 02-13-2010 10:46 AM

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What's with his fascination with angels?

Dedicated Mind 02-13-2010 10:56 AM

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I see nothing wrong with this video. Just someone hungry for the supernatural.

Timmy 02-13-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 877154)
What's with his fascination with angels?

Aren't you fascinated by them?

Timmy 02-13-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 877158)
I see nothing wrong with this video. Just someone hungry for the supernatural.

Yeah! Hungry for signs and wonders! Nothing wrong with that!

Tina 02-13-2010 11:27 AM

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I've only seen an angel once--and she appeared from nowhere at a time of crisis for one of my children. She was wearing blue jeans and a sweatshirt, and holding a bottle of Aquafina water. She stayed till help arrived, and then vanished. I've told the story before, I can't remember if it was here or on NFCF. Some people were so critical and tried to make me out to be a liar... so I won't get into it again. I know angels are real.

Sister Alvear 02-13-2010 11:33 AM

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I have seen angels before...one night I woke up an our bedroom was full of angels and one spoke to me...but I seldom mention the supernatural because people think you are trying to be super spiritual or something...however...they exist and were created for special purposes.

jfrog 02-13-2010 11:37 AM

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If you take out the 7 or 8 minutes about your angel and my angel and them looking like us and them being the cause of deja vu then the little bit thats left is okay.

Sister Alvear 02-13-2010 11:46 AM

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Other than what they say he says about magic hair I have always enjoyed hearing him preach...I will never forget a sermon he preached ...I choose to gamble it all...awesome and stirring...( I did not listen to the above message that is just a general comment)

Sister Alvear 02-13-2010 11:48 AM

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I think he has blessed many people around the world...as humans we all have our opinions and ideas about things but we can see good in just about everyone..

Hoovie 02-13-2010 12:02 PM

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I love angels myself. In fact I most always sleep with one.

MawMaw 02-13-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 877173)
I have seen angels before...one night I woke up an our bedroom was full of angels and one spoke to me...but I seldom mention the supernatural because people think you are trying to be super spiritual or something...however...they exist and were created for special purposes.

Sister, I am sure there are more here that would love to hear your stories than those who would not or would make fun. Please share!!! :)

DAII 02-13-2010 12:20 PM

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Stoneking's teachings on angelology are just as fruity as his doctrine on HMH ... many of the angel teachings over the years have been extrabiblical in scope and contradict what the Word teaches on these celestial beings.

DAII 02-13-2010 12:24 PM

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I marvel how many of these org pastors squirm at the prophetic and gifts of the Spirit being taught and active in their congregations but tolerate these hair and angel teachings.

The Deja Vu stuff is frightening.

The sensationalism marketed in these teachings seems to have a niche in many areas.

DAII 02-13-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 877154)
What's with his fascination with angels?

I understand Reider has a similar fascination ... I understand the church her former husband pastored was decored excessively with cherubim ... this pervaded in the home decor ... and a child named Angel.

I think Digging's thread on mysticism ... may help in understanding this phenomena.

Some are looking for something ... a realm .... beyond Pentecost.

Dedicated Mind 02-13-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tina (Post 877172)
I've only seen an angel once--and she appeared from nowhere at a time of crisis for one of my children. She was wearing blue jeans and a sweatshirt, and holding a bottle of Aquafina water. She stayed till help arrived, and then vanished. I've told the story before, I can't remember if it was here or on NFCF. Some people were so critical and tried to make me out to be a liar... so I won't get into it again. I know angels are real.

a female angel wearing blue jean pants! are you serious? was this an emergent relevant angel?

DAII 02-13-2010 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tina (Post 877172)
I've only seen an angel once--and she appeared from nowhere at a time of crisis for one of my children. She was wearing blue jeans and a sweatshirt, and holding a bottle of Aquafina water. She stayed till help arrived, and then vanished. I've told the story before, I can't remember if it was here or on NFCF. Some people were so critical and tried to make me out to be a liar... so I won't get into it again. I know angels are real.

I certainly don't discount the stories of angelic visitations witnessed by many including my dad ... but when one starts teaching that things like deja vu being linked an angel's memories ... it starts to get scary.

Pressing-On 02-13-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 877193)
I certainly don't discount the stories of angelic visitations witnessed by many including my dad ... but when one starts teaching that things like deja vu being linked an angel's memories ... it starts to get scary.

I've heard him say that before. You can tell the audience wasn't buying it. Especially him saying that he could see they needed to "digest" that. LOL! No, I don't think so.

Tired of the superstition in the Catholic Church, not doing it here. I will look to Jesus the author and finisher of my faith. If HE decides to send a ministering spirit, I will take it, but I won't seek it.

*AQuietPlace* 02-13-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 877194)
I will look to Jesus the author and finisher of my faith. If HE decides to send a ministering spirit, I will take it, but I won't seek it.

Exactly. Some of this borders on worship of angels, which I KNOW God cannot be pleased with.

I believe in angels, but I'm not going to worship them, or think about them excessively.

jfrog 02-13-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 877191)
I understand Reider has a similar fascination ... I understand the church her former husband pastored was decored excessively with cherubim ... this pervaded in the home decor ... and a child named Angel.

I think Digging's thread on mysticism ... may help in understanding this phenomena.

Some are looking for something ... a realm .... beyond Pentecost.

And that is the problem. Some people are always looking for more, more, more, more, more. Pardon the analogy but it's kinda like a drug addict that starts off in small doses to get high. But those small doses eventually stop giving him that same high so he takes bigger and bigger doses. It's the same thing with those people that are constantly in search of the supernatural. They may get one or two experiences or maybe some of them just think they do. But after a while the high those feelings gave them wears off and they are trying to find something bigger and better again.

Aquila 02-13-2010 01:48 PM

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I saw an angel once. We were in a prayer service at church and my very first pastor (a blessed elder in the Lord) was walking the isles. When he turned to walk in front of the altar a very thin pillar of light appeared and began to move along side of him. As he prayed the light's intensity fluctuated. I thin remembered how angels came and ministered to Jesus while he was in prayer. I firmly believe that this angel was walking and praying for my pastor, strengthening him, and ministering to him. When I tried to point it out to my wife she didn't see it. He turned to walk up an isle and it continued about half way and faded from sight. I told him what I saw and he just smiled. I asked him if he saw or felt anything and he said, "No. But angels have ministered to me before. You saw my angel pray for me. I believe that's because you are to partner with me in prayer." From that day on I committed time to pray for my pastor. While in meditation about this I felt impressed to use a method to pray by. When praying I was to pray according to this format:
Pastor - The pastor and his needs, both physical and spiritual. Also his family.
Revival - Pray for revival and spiritual renewal of the church. Pray for all evangelistic and missionary endeavors. Pray for lost family and loved ones.
Assembly - Pray for the needs of my brothers and sisters, both physical and spiritual. Also pray for their families.
Yourself - Pray for my needs.
Have you prayed today?

I also heard an angel once but didn't it. I was driving down Smithville Rd. in Dayton Ohio headed Northbound. It was late and I was approaching the intersection of Smithville and Dorothy. I had a green light and was prepared to proceed through the intersection, but I heard a voice from the backseat quickly say, "STOP!" Terrified that someone was in the car and about to rob me, I slammed on my breaks and came to a complete stop just before the intersection. At that very moment a pickup truck came barreling through the intersection heading eastbound. Obviously he didn't see the red light or was too drunk to see the red light. I sat their quietly for maybe a minute as my light turned yellow and then red. It was so quiet and still in the car. I knew I was alone. I turned to look in the backseat and verified that no one was in the car with me. While I was VERY spooked I realized that had I not slammed on my breaks I would have been T-Boned by that pickup truck on the driver's side. At at the speed he was going I'd probably have been killed. I was still shaking when I got home. I'm convinced it was an angel.

Beyond these accounts I've only "felt" them on occasion.

Angels are VERY real and VERY active in our world.

Tina 02-13-2010 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 877192)
a female angel wearing blue jean pants! are you serious? was this an emergent relevant angel?

:smack :scorebad

Ignorant comments like this from people who refuse to believe that God works outside the box some want to keep him in are exactly the reason I won't bother sharing the story again.

Aquila 02-13-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 877196)
And that is the problem. Some people are always looking for more, more, more, more, more. Pardon the analogy but it's kinda like a drug addict that starts off in small doses to get high. But those small doses eventually stop giving him that same high so he takes bigger and bigger doses. It's the same thing with those people that are constantly in search of the supernatural. They may get one or two experiences or maybe some of them just think they do. But after a while the high those feelings gave them wears off and they are trying to find something bigger and better again.

All of that is true. However, some do indeed move deeper into the spirit and truly become more attuned to things that transpire in the supernatural. The Christian Mystic will always be very misunderstood.
(Christian mysticism is the pursuit of communion with, identity with, or conscious awareness of God through direct experience, intuition, instinct or insight. Christian mysticism usually centers on a practice or practices intended to nurture those experiences or awareness, such as deep prayer (i.e. meditation, contemplation) involving the person of Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. This approach and lifestyle is distinguished from other forms of Christian practice by its aim of achieving unity with the divine. In the words of Oswald Chambers, "We receive His blessings and know His Word, but do we know Him?"

Whereas Christian doctrine generally maintains that God dwells in all Christians and that they can experience God directly through belief in Jesus, Christian mysticism aspires to apprehend spiritual truths inaccessible through intellectual means, typically by learning how to think like Christ. William Inge divides this scala perfectionis into three stages: the "purgative" or ascetic stage, the "illuminative" or contemplative stage, and the "unitive" stage, in which God may be beheld "face to face".)


While Pentecostal religion is just fine for most; some graduate from Pentecost... to entering into the Kingdom of God.

Barb 02-13-2010 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 877195)
Exactly. Some of this borders on worship of angels, which I KNOW God cannot be pleased with.

I believe in angels, but I'm not going to worship them, or think about them excessively.

Amen!! :thumbsup

I know of several angel visitations, not personally, but through testimony, and believe them to be real. But this 'angel deja vu' stuff is just a bit much. Frankly, I don't want anyone's angel visiting me...

What is with all the fads and gimmicks running through Pentecost anyway?! Just give me the simplicity of the message...

Aquila 02-13-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tina (Post 877200)
:smack :scorebad

Ignorant comments like this from people who refuse to believe that God works outside the box some want to keep him in are exactly the reason I won't bother sharing the story again.

I have no reason to doubt you. But keep your head up. People thought I was crazy when I told my story too. Some folks will never understand until it happens to them. And still others simply can't understand due to their lack of faith.

I did find the "relevant" comment from Dedicated Mind amusing however. LOL

Aquila 02-13-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 877183)
I love angels myself. In fact I most always sleep with one.

Oh boy, are you in trouble! Wait until your wife finds a wayward feather! :lol

Sarah 02-13-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 877206)
I have no reason to doubt you. But keep your head up. People thought I was crazy when I told my story too. Some folks will never understand until it happens to them. And still others simply can't understand due to their lack of faith.

This is true, Aquila. I've always been very leary of people talking about angels.....anything supernatural....until something happened to me about three years ago. Now I'm very careful who I relate it to, because I know how far out it sounds. But I have no doubt.

I've personally heard Bro Barnes relate the story Bro Stoneking was talking about concerning him. How his angel, I suppose, spent the night in the sick man's hospital room. If ever there was a man of God, with his head on his shoulders right, it was TW Barnes.

Dedicated Mind 02-13-2010 02:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tina (Post 877200)
:smack :scorebad

Ignorant comments like this from people who refuse to believe that God works outside the box some want to keep him in are exactly the reason I won't bother sharing the story again.

Sis Tina, I was just being a little lighthearted with your female angel in jeans. Do you realize what this means to the upc if your story is true? It means that the upc is wrong about pants on women. I have no reason to doubt your story. Please share your story. I don't think there are any cons left to criticize.

Sarah 02-13-2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 877211)
Sis Tina, I was just being a little lighthearted with your female angel in jeans. Do you realize what this means to the upc if your story is true? It means that the upc is wrong about pants on women. I have no reason to doubt your story. Please share your story. I don't think there are any cons left to criticize.

LOL I'm a 'con', but I won't criticize!

Pressing-On 02-13-2010 04:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tina (Post 877200)
:smack :scorebad

Ignorant comments like this from people who refuse to believe that God works outside the box some want to keep him in are exactly the reason I won't bother sharing the story again.

Hebrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Sister Alvear 02-13-2010 04:31 PM

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My mother and daddy gave money to what they thought was a dirty beggar...the beggar vanished from sight and that night at church no one knew what happened but a visiting minister said to my folks...Brother and Sister Taylor today you were visited by an angel...
My folks had been having a very hard time moneywise and from that day on God opened doors for them...

Sister Alvear 02-13-2010 04:32 PM

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An angel once gave me directions to a church....he was in the form of a man...and he too disappeared...so we just never know....just treat everyone nice and kind...

Sam 02-13-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 877178)
I think he has blessed many people around the world...as humans we all have our opinions and ideas about things but we can see good in just about everyone..

Bro. Stoneking has been a tremendous blessing to many people.

Sam 02-13-2010 07:04 PM

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It is my opinion that there are spirit beings around us at all times. These are angels. Some are the angels of God and some are dark angels or fallen angels or demons.

I think of the story in 2 Kings 6:8-17. God is known as the Lord of Hosts or Armies. Those angels were there all along but the prophet had to pray in order for his assistant to see them.

Sam 02-13-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tina (Post 877172)
I've only seen an angel once--and she appeared from nowhere at a time of crisis for one of my children. She was wearing blue jeans and a sweatshirt, and holding a bottle of Aquafina water. She stayed till help arrived, and then vanished. I've told the story before, I can't remember if it was here or on NFCF. Some people were so critical and tried to make me out to be a liar... so I won't get into it again. I know angels are real.

In the Old Testament when angels appeared they looked like people. Blue jeans and a sweatshirt is just ordinary every day apparel for women in our time so it would be reasonable for an angel to appear dressed that way.

Go ahead and post your story again. I'd like to see it.

mizpeh 02-13-2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 877173)
I have seen angels before...one night I woke up an our bedroom was full of angels and one spoke to me...but I seldom mention the supernatural because people think you are trying to be super spiritual or something...however...they exist and were created for special purposes.

Would you mind telling this story? I'd love to hear it.

Sam 02-13-2010 07:17 PM

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This is from pages 25 and 26 of “Beloved Wide Spot” by Nona Freeman, copyright 1989. The book tells the story of their pastoring in Rosepine, LA where they served for almost 7 years until they left in March 1948 as missionaries to South Africa. When they came to Rosepine, her husband Bug was 23 and Nona was 24. Bug’s real name was Elpho Letris Freeman but he earned the name of Bug because of the strange way he crawled as a baby. Bug and Nona were married in 1937 and started preaching a couple of years later. They evangelized and pastored including the 7 years in Rosepine. They served in Africa for 41 years. Bug died in 1999 and Nona died December 26, 2009 at the age of 93.

Early one morning Bug sat at the dining room table reading his Bible. When I came through on my way to prepare breakfast, he looked up with a rueful grin, “Well, darling we thought we moved here in the will of God. I hope we did because this is the day we are supposed to pay rent --$17.00-- and I don’t have it. It seems we need a miracle.”

“I know. I woke up two or three times in the night and tried to pray about it. No assurance came about the answer. I certainly have no idea where we can find that much money today.”

For some reason I made a bigger pan of biscuits than usual, and just as I reached for the skillet to fry the eggs, someone knocked on the kitchen door. ..I opened it to find a hobo standing there.

“Madam, I am hungry,” he said, “would you give me something to eat?”

I had a famous weakness for helping “men of the road,” as I called them, and had learned to stay out of trouble by consulting my husband before I agreed to do anything.

“Just a moment, please,” I answered and told Bug, “There’s a cleaner than usual hungry man of the road at the back door. What should I do?”

Since Bug had strong, well-founded suspicions of their ilk, he surprised me by saying, “Why, ask him to come in and have breakfast with us.”

He talked with Bug while I cooked the eggs and made coffee. The man did not tell the routine hard luck story; he displayed uncommon courtesy and seemed well educated. After breakfast, I shook off the odd, unexplainable feeling that I regretted his going, while I washed the dishes.

Before I finished the task, Bug called me and I heard excitement in his voice. “Do you know anything about this ten dollar bill I found in the Bible?”

I shook my head with an astonished, “No!”

He went on, “When our visitor came in, I laid the Bible aside --here by me on the table-- I’m positive there was no money in it before breakfast.”

“It looks like part of our ..much needed miracle!” I exclaimed and picked up the Bible. A five dollar bill floated from it to the table. “And there is more of it!”

Bug grabbed the Bible and leafed through it rapidly finding two one ..dollar bills. “It could not be a coincidence to find the exact amount due for our rent in my Bible,” he said solemnly.

I shivered, suspecting what he would say next.

“You noticed his cleanliness and his good manners: I quite enjoyed talking to him. It took a miracle for him to put the miracle money in the Bible under our noses. Honey, I have cold chills going up and down my spine. Do you realize we had breakfast with an angel this morning?”

MawMaw 02-13-2010 08:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 877262)
This is from pages 25 and 26 of “Beloved Wide Spot” by Nona Freeman, copyright 1989. The book tells the story of their pastoring in Rosepine, LA where they served for almost 7 years until they left in March 1948 as missionaries to South Africa. When they came to Rosepine, her husband Bug was 23 and Nona was 24. Bug’s real name was Elpho Letris Freeman but he earned the name of Bug because of the strange way he crawled as a baby. Bug and Nona were married in 1937 and started preaching a couple of years later. They evangelized and pastored including the 7 years in Rosepine. They served in Africa for 41 years. Bug died in 1999 and Nona died December 26, 2009 at the age of 93.

Early one morning Bug sat at the dining room table reading his Bible. When I came through on my way to prepare breakfast, he looked up with a rueful grin, “Well, darling we thought we moved here in the will of God. I hope we did because this is the day we are supposed to pay rent --$17.00-- and I don’t have it. It seems we need a miracle.”

“I know. I woke up two or three times in the night and tried to pray about it. No assurance came about the answer. I certainly have no idea where we can find that much money today.”

For some reason I made a bigger pan of biscuits than usual, and just as I reached for the skillet to fry the eggs, someone knocked on the kitchen door. ..I opened it to find a hobo standing there.

“Madam, I am hungry,” he said, “would you give me something to eat?”

I had a famous weakness for helping “men of the road,” as I called them, and had learned to stay out of trouble by consulting my husband before I agreed to do anything.

“Just a moment, please,” I answered and told Bug, “There’s a cleaner than usual hungry man of the road at the back door. What should I do?”

Since Bug had strong, well-founded suspicions of their ilk, he surprised me by saying, “Why, ask him to come in and have breakfast with us.”

He talked with Bug while I cooked the eggs and made coffee. The man did not tell the routine hard luck story; he displayed uncommon courtesy and seemed well educated. After breakfast, I shook off the odd, unexplainable feeling that I regretted his going, while I washed the dishes.

Before I finished the task, Bug called me and I heard excitement in his voice. “Do you know anything about this ten dollar bill I found in the Bible?”

I shook my head with an astonished, “No!”

He went on, “When our visitor came in, I laid the Bible aside --here by me on the table-- I’m positive there was no money in it before breakfast.”

“It looks like part of our ..much needed miracle!” I exclaimed and picked up the Bible. A five dollar bill floated from it to the table. “And there is more of it!”

Bug grabbed the Bible and leafed through it rapidly finding two one ..dollar bills. “It could not be a coincidence to find the exact amount due for our rent in my Bible,” he said solemnly.

I shivered, suspecting what he would say next.

“You noticed his cleanliness and his good manners: I quite enjoyed talking to him. It took a miracle for him to put the miracle money in the Bible under our noses. Honey, I have cold chills going up and down my spine. Do you realize we had breakfast with an angel this morning?”

Loved that story!!!!!!!!!

MissBrattified 02-14-2010 01:34 AM

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In ancient Egypt, physicians practiced medicine by trial and error. For instance, they applied moldy bread to infected wounds because they had discovered by chance that it worked, but they didn't understand the reasons behind it. (Penicillin anyone?) Other common practices were the result of a one-time positive result, and passed down for several generations in spite of hit and miss effectiveness.

Such is the case with all these accounts of angels and spiritual encounters. There's no problem with these stories--the Bible is full of odd accounts and mysterious interactions. There's no doubt that angels (and demons) exist and that they do interact with humans. The PROBLEM arises when we try to draw spiritual truths, or worse, form doctrines based on those anecdotes and isolated events. Just like trial and error medical practice isn't real *science*, anecdotal stories don't constitute real doctrine.

We shouldn't doubt each others' spiritual experiences--I have no doubt that many of these accounts are true. However, DOCTRINE must come from the Word. Not from private interpretation, and not from anomalous events.

I also am not terribly disturbed when ministers form theories, as long as they present them as such--loosely defined theories or ideas. (Such as LS' deja vu theory) My pastor, from time to time, says, "I wonder if....." The difference is that he doesn't take his musings and state them as concrete truths.


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