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Had an awesome time tonight in Bible Study......and I didn't even teach! I had just come out of a 4hr meeting which had the potential to be disastrous and God moved miraculously! So I got to the church at about 8:05 and one of my associate pastors was finishing up teaching on signs and wonders. He asked me to close out in prayer and I simply made an invitation for those who needed something from the Lord. That was all it took! 2 fairly new ladies received the HG and two youth (brothers) received it also. Numerous received a great touch and it was simply one of those times no one wanted to go home! God is moving! I love it when that happens! :D

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Great news!!!!!

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Awesome!! God is moving and doing great things.

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Good news MOW.

PS Please describe the shockamoo if present.

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Awesome!


I have to think that God does have a sense of humor.... he does things in spite of us, not because of us.

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LOL1 Not a lot of shockaoo, just hungry people simply desiring to be filled to overflowing! Pretty much no muss no fuss. Didn't take long. It usually doesn't take long when God is moving. I think it takes much longer when we try to get God to move! :D

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What!? No Hammond C3 w/Leslie blaring in the background? How is this possible? :eek:

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Hey, wait a minute Steinny

Don't knock the Hammonds,... my wife tears it up!

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Update: Had 2 more receive the HG on Sunday morning and 1 water baptism! Having another 2 more water baptisms next Sunday! Some really neat things taking place. One person who received the HG was on the platform playing an instrument with no one praying for her. She saw someone else receiving it and WHAM, the Spirit of God came on her and she starting receiving it right there! Woo Hoo! :D

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:amen AMEN!!! Thank you for this Praise Report. Absolutely wonderful waiting to hear more. Yes Jesus is moving!!!!

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Awesome report, Praise the Lord.

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That is awesome! This is how it should be! Oh, but leave those Hammonds alone! Nothing in the world like a great Hammond Organ while the preacher whoops!

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Amen, AB!

Funny thing is......no one hit the ground! They all received the HG "vertically!" Imagine that....LOL

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Did they speak with other tongues when they received the holy g?

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I have seen thathappen a few times, Pieintheface.

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The reason I ask was I believe I read somewhere he said there would be people in heaven who never spoke in tongues.

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I sure hope so my friend, infact I know so.....

... but I don't want to hijack MOW's thread.

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I hope so too.

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Let's see, how can I answer that question in the most politically correct fashion w/o causing controversy and division? OK, I'll try it this way.....



YES!


Specific enough? :D

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There most certainly will be. By the saving grace of Jesus Christ that comes through belief that Jesus is Lord and that God has raised Him from the dead, and not through one single thing that I have accomplished, I will be there!! If one or the other is going to be eliminated from heaven, and I speak of tongue people vs. non-tongue people, I'm voting for the elimination of the tongues folks! :lol

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I did not speak in tongues when I was filled with the Holy Spirit, in accordance to scripture! :)


Since Pie has arrived, let's hijack the heck out of this thread!! :lol

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Faith w/o works is dead. You can believe all you want, but Jesus clearly stated that if we loved Him, we would keep His commandments. That is not a legalistic "keeping" it is a keeping (albeit imperfect) that proceeds from a heart of love and submission to Him. Anything other than that, won't cut it. Even the devils believe and tremble. So, "belief" is not the end all of this whole salvation thing. :D

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........in your opinion. The radical majority of great bible minds for the past 1,000 years, going back to Matthew Henry and Adam Clarke, would disagree with you. We could add many great modern names, including Billy Graham, to that list.

The very old and outdated "But the devil believes" argument is.....uhhhh.....old and outdated. Could you please point to a scripture that says the devil "believes in Jesus as Lord". I am unaware of the devil ever proclaiming Jesus as "Lord".

As far as your "belief is not the end all of this whole salvation thing" argument, here are a few verses to consider:

1) Romans 10:4...For Christ has accomplished the whole purpose of the law. All who believe in him are made right with God.

2) Romans 10:8...Salvation that comes from trusting Christ–which is the message we preach–is already within easy reach. In fact, the Scriptures say, "The message is close at hand; it is on your lips and in your heart."

3) Romans 10:9...For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

4) Romans 10:10...For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.

5) Romans 10:13...For anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

6) Acts 2:21...And anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

7) Acts 13:39...Everyone who believes in him is freed from all guilt and declared right with God–something the Jewish law could never do.

8) Acts 16:31...They replied, "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with your entire household."

9) I Corinthians 1:21...Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save all who believe.

10) Romans 5:1...Therefore, since we have been made right in God's sight by faith, we have peace with God because of that Christ our Lord has done for us.

11) John 11:25...Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Those who believe in me, even though they die like everyone else, will live again."

12) John 11:26...They are given eternal life for believing in me and will never perish.

13) John 3:15...So that everyone who believes in me will have eternal life.

14) John 3:16...For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

15) John 5:24...I assure you, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death to life.

16) I Timothy 1:16...But that is why God had mercy on me, so that Christ Jesus could use me as a prime example of his great patience with even the worst sinners. Then others can realize that they, too, can believe in him and receive eternal life.

17) Romans 3:25...For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us.

18) Romans 3:28...So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

19) I John 5:1...Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.

20) I John 4:15...All who proclaim that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God.

21) II Timothy 3:15...You have been taught the holy Scriptures since childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus.


And this is just the beginning. There are dozens more that correlate.

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So that begs the question as to just what exactly is "belief?"

I seriously doubt that you believe that a person can simply "say" something, like a prayer, or "do" something like baptism et al, w/o it coming from the heart and it actually mean anything. All kinds of people "say" they believe. Saying it means nothing. If someone is truly born again, there will be a change. Not saying how drastic that change must initially be, but you can definitely tell when a baby is born. There is life! I do NOT believe that works save us in any form or fashion. However, if there is no change whatsoever, there is no salvation; no transformation; no born again, etc.

Works are NOT causal...salvation is. IF there is salvation, it will be as obvious as a newborn baby. All the proclamations in the world mean absolutely nothing if they don't come from a heart of surrender. Good works proceed FROM salvation, not TOWARDS it.

That is about as basic as it gets. IF (but I don't think you are) you are saying that all a person has to do is recite something, or walk to an altar, or even speak in tongues or whatever and they are saved, I would call that heresy.

My guess is that we're probably closer to our beliefs than we realize. On cannot believe w/o surrender. :D

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I would disagree with the bolded. Saying it means everything!

"...and it is by confessing it with your mouth that you are saved." (Romans 10:10)

If one confesses with one's mouth that "Jesus is Lord", as Romans 10:9 says (as well as many other verses), one has made a HUGE statement. Jesus is "Lord." "Lord" has many implications and it is not a simple, unimportant thing to make Jesus "Lord" of one's life.

In fact, I would venture to guess that there are many supposed tongue-talking pentecostals who have never made Jesus Lord of their life and their elevator may very well go down, rather than up, when it counts the most.

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Yeah, and how else would you put 1 John 4:1-3 into practice?

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Think you've heard a false prophet speak? Ask him if he confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. If he says "No", well, you were right. False prophet. But if he says "Yes", you have to accept whatever he says. It's from God.

:winkgrin

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Simple. It was mistranslated. I prefer to use the New American Standard Living International New English Message Wycliffe American Standard Amplified Version. It says it the correct way.

Aw Timmy, you heathens have to make everything so complicated. Here's the deal. Believing that Jesus is Lord places Him in control. When He is in control you won't be a false prophet. Those who are false prophets......ohhhhhh, let's say someone like Lee Stoneking......make themselves obvious by directly producing fruit that is contrary to God.

Confessing that "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh", as you put it, is different than confessing Him as Lord.

I would highly recommend purchasing the New Standard Message Wycliffe American Amplified Living International English Version. Great bible!! It corrects all the errors I've found.

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:toofunny

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Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Keep it in context. Paul tell those in Rome who are already saved, if ISRAEL would confess that Jesus was the Messiah thy would in turn do what was necessary to be saved just as Cornelius did.

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Exactly. You're making my argument for me. "If they do exactly what you've done...which is believe....they'll be saved.

And of course, the greatest mistake in hermeneutics, is to take a verse and develop a doctrine over it, for example, Acts 2:38, just to grab a completely random verse out of nowhere. Even if you want to apply the hermeneutically flawed concept of "He was talking to people who were already saved" for the Romans reference, you then have to attempt to explain away the dozens of other correlating verses concerning salvation by grace that comes through belief. You'll have to develop an excuse for all 40+ places in the NT that say essentially the same thing as Romans 10:9-12?

Come on now, a sharp Obama guy like yourself, isn't going to fall for this "But Romans is talking to people who are already saved" malarkey, are you? :) It's very possibly the worst interpretational application in exegetical history.

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Well, here we have the opportunity for us to learn together, the truths of God's Word. However, I understand your frustration. It's difficult for one to have nothing with which to substantiate one's beliefs:)

May I correct one thing you said? 55 years ago, you followed man's plan for salvation, not God's.

And as I walk in the incredible covering of God's grace, and morning by morning experience new mercies because of His efficacious, unconditional love, I certainly will have a nice day!:)

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Saying it means absolutely NOTHING if not from a heart of submission. This entire salvation is not about what comes from the mouth, but what comes from the heart. It is not about saying a prayer, it is about surrendering a life. Words do not a surrendered life make.

You seem to be saying that the sound which comes from the mouth is means more than what comes from the heart. Jesus could not have been more in His teaching on the heart. A person can say whatever they want or whatever someone tells them to and if it is not from their heart, it means nothing, and worse could even be a lie.

A surrendered life produces fruit of salvation, words do not. :D

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......which is completely, totally, and thoroughly covered in Romans 10:9-12. If you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord......"

In your apparent attempt to add to what I'm saying, in reality you're making exactly the same point! At no point have I ever suggested, nor does the bible suggest that one only has to "say it." The entire foundation of Christ's teachings, is the condition of the heart which he first introduces in the "Sermon on the Mount" (Matthew 5-7).

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I didn't add. You just like to argue for the sake of argument, IMO. From the beginning I said that belief ALONE wasn't enough. If one truly believes, they will act on that belief. Secondly, someone can SAY something and it not be from their heart and it means NOTHING.

If someone says a prayer or "confesses" Jesus as Lord with their mouth and it not be meant in their heart, it is worthless. I assume you believe that. However you said, "Saying it means everything." (direct quote) I said saying w/o it coming from a submitted heart means nothing. So, saying doesn't mean everything. A submitted heart is everything...I can do that w/o saying anything....AND my actions will back it up.....and will eventually come out my mouth as well.

We're probably saying close to the same thing! :D

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:lol You just have to take a personal shot at me, don't you? Maybe that helps you but I won't return in kind.

I assumed that you would be able to understand the context when I said, "Saying it means everything. It appears I was wrong. Since more explanation is needed, let me help you understand that when I said, "Saying means everything", I'm speaking of the process of confession in conjunction with heartfelt belief.

You see, at the point of confession, "Saying it" is the only indicator that we would have. There hasn't yet been an opportunity to know if the confession was heartfelt. The heart? Only God knows that. True, it's the heart that really makes the "Final call" so-to-speak, but since we can't know the heart, and only observe the verbal confession, in that context, yes, "Saying it means everything."

Hopefully, that's clear.

And yes, the placement of "Jesus as Lord" will begin to unfold in the new life of the new believer.

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MOW, this is part of what makes you a great pastor in my eyes. In many churches, this person would not have been allowed near the platform and certainly wouldn't be playing an instrument if they had not yet received the Holy Ghost. Good for you, brother, for allowing them to be there. :highfive

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Hmmmmm......somehow playing the "innocent" card doesn't seem to work coming from someone whose ID is "Troublemaker"

Maybe I should have used more smileys in that post. :D

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!

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"Playing the 'Innocent Card' "? I assumed we were having a discussion of scriptural truths and was unaware we were playing anything. I wasn't "playing a card", I was stating a fact, and that fact was, that you took a personal shot at me and that I wouldn't return in kind. True then, true now.

Am I to assume you have drawn a conclusion about me based on my username? A username seems to be a weak foundation for concluding much of anything. I suppose I could assume a few things about you based on your username, some of them positive, some negative, but that wouldn't seem to be wise. I'm positive there's much, much more to know about you as a person than merely your username.

All that being said, I'm happy to report that several in our church gatherings have recently "Received the HG" (as you put it), and I know that, of course, because they have expressed their faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead and belief in Him as Lord! :)

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REALLY.....I don't think you honestly know what a "personal shot" is. If you thought I took a "personal shot" at you, then, IMO, you are wound WAY too tightly. Why does it have to be about you? Did you not read where I stated that I should have used more smilies? Interpreted, that means, it wasn't a personal shot. Dude, really, take a breath and relax! The world isn't against you and neither am I. :D