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Jason B 03-07-2010 07:49 PM

Shocker! Newest "Missing Link" is a Hoax
 
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Yet again "science" offers a "missing link" and yet again it is a hoax, following hard on the heels of many other "missing links hoaxes. The newest failure is known as "Ida".

The worst thing is the original discovery was announced in May. And as I understand it, was proclaimed on the news, on Good Morning America, Nightline, World News Tonight, A&E bought the rights for a documentary, and of course a book was written. Both the documentary & book are titled "The Link." Perhaps they should be re-titled, "The WEAKEST Link." :ursofunny

http://www.aolnews.com/science/artic...ity%2F19383401

pelathais 03-07-2010 10:03 PM

Re: Shocker! Newest "Missing Link" is a Hoax
 
It was not a "hoax" Jason. The fossil, after more thorough study, is said to not fall into the categories that it's promoters had claimed for it last year. It is still a legitimate fossil.

This latest article goes on to say:

"The first big challenge came from Erik Seiffert, a fossil hunter at New York's Stony Brook University. Seiffert had uncovered a 37-million-year-old fossil in Egypt remarkably similar to Ida that he said showed that Darwinius masillae was more akin to an extinct ancestor of lemurs and lorises than it was to a monkey or a man."

So, instead of being a "hoax" as you have said, it appears to have been a controversial interpretation of the findings - and further vindication for the scientists who were not swayed by all the noise the History Channel was making about this last year.

The History Channel is also the primary outlet on cable for ghost hunters and UFO watchers. They had such promise starting out, but after merging with A&E they abandoned all sense and have been a National Enquirer type of network ever since.

pelathais 03-07-2010 10:11 PM

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You remember how those Evolution debates went, don't you Jason?

Jason B 03-07-2010 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 884238)
You remember how those Evolution debates went, don't you Jason?

Yep, thats one issue we are FAR apart on.

still friends though:thumbsup

pelathais 03-08-2010 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 884242)
Yep, thats one issue we are FAR apart on.

still friends though:thumbsup

:thumbsup

Nitehawk013 03-08-2010 06:19 AM

Re: Shocker! Newest "Missing Link" is a Hoax
 
You'd thinkthat after all the frauds and hoaxes the "intelligent" scientists would stop pushing garbage like the fairy tale that is evolution.

DAII 03-08-2010 06:45 AM

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I don't know why Nite and Jason have their skimpys tied up in a wad? Link or not, gentlemen , we finally found the skull to match your brains! :)
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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884257)
You'd thinkthat after all the frauds and hoaxes the "intelligent" scientists would stop pushing garbage like the fairy tale that is evolution.


Nitehawk013 03-08-2010 07:04 AM

Re: Shocker! Newest "Missing Link" is a Hoax
 
You know I wonder if you are as quick to make personal attacks in person as you are on a website? My guess is no since lots of little men like to talk big while they can hide behind a keyboard and monitor.

DAII 03-08-2010 07:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884265)
You know I wonder if you are as quick to make personal attacks in person as you are on a website? My guess is no since lots of little men like to talk big while they can hide behind a keyboard and monitor.

I would ask you to stop playing possum but that would fit perfectly ...

although this new tact of playing the victim does not fit you well ..
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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 873468)
Dan gets to go to whatever forum, act like a jerk, belittle people, attack people (not positions) and generally do NOTHING but attack the "mothership" and yet he gets a free pass because he just "Dan being Dan".

He ought to be "Dan being Banned" until he learns a few people skills and can refrain from acting like a creep.


I'm sorry, if I've offended you in any way. Size doesn't matter and I never thought this could be a relative of yours. It has a vertabrae.

I extend to you, HENCEFORTH, a standing invitation to rendevous for coffee and some fellowship. After we're done, I promise to lay hands on you and pray you through to the Truth.

Nitehawk013 03-08-2010 10:00 AM

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Exactly my point. You go out of your way on EVERY forum you have ever been a memeber to act like a dirtbag to anyone who opposes you and dares stand up to the great Dan Alicea. And you get away with it. No ne else would....but good old Dan does.

I called you on your typical M.O and you keep it so you can always post it to remind me? Or show others that I can call a jerk when I see a jerk? Whats your point?

Everyone here knows you are a jer. Everyone else either just refuses to say it or "accepts" that you are who you are. The only kind word I've ever seen about you was from Sister Alvear, and she would likely have kind words for Satan rather than speak a negative.

One day, if there is in fact a just and fair God, someone will indeed put you inyour place. Hopfully very hard and very violently. My regret is that since I don't run in social circles with sell outs and backsliders I will not have the pleasure of seeing it happen. Unless by some great stroke of luk it ends up on Youtube. Then maybe you can link it to your bitter little anti-Stoneking website.

RandyWayne 03-08-2010 10:34 AM

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Nite, you need to lay off of Grannies Hard Cider before posting. There is an old saying that goes back to the days of AOL's early years: Email and Merlot do not mix!

DAII 03-08-2010 10:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884350)
Exactly my point. You go out of your way on EVERY forum you have ever been a memeber to act like a dirtbag to anyone who opposes you and dares stand up to the great Dan Alicea. And you get away with it. No ne else would....but good old Dan does.

I called you on your typical M.O and you keep it so you can always post it to remind me? Or show others that I can call a jerk when I see a jerk? Whats your point?

Everyone here knows you are a jer. Everyone else either just refuses to say it or "accepts" that you are who you are. The only kind word I've ever seen about you was from Sister Alvear, and she would likely have kind words for Satan rather than speak a negative.

One day, if there is in fact a just and fair God, someone will indeed put you inyour place. Hopfully very hard and very violently. My regret is that since I don't run in social circles with sell outs and backsliders I will not have the pleasure of seeing it happen. Unless by some great stroke of luk it ends up on Youtube. Then maybe you can link it to your bitter little anti-Stoneking website.

Good thing we all don't get what we deserve.

Try anger managment, I am sensing some hostility and aggression. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOSAHHHHH!

pelathais 03-08-2010 11:18 AM

Re: Shocker! Newest "Missing Link" is a Hoax
 
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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884265)
You know I wonder if you are as quick to make personal attacks in person as you are on a website? My guess is no since lots of little men like to talk big while they can hide behind a keyboard and monitor.

You made the personal attack Nitequil.

Since this fossil under discussion is certainly a legitimate fossil; and since it was members of the " 'intelligent' scientists " community who were the first to raise questions about the new interpretations that were being offered by the promoters involved - just where does the "hoax" exist?

The hoax is being perpetuated by so-called "creationists" and other fundamentalists. Why don't you come out and congratulate Erik Seiffert of Stony Brook University in Long Island and Nature Magazine for being correct in their criticism of both the fossil's new interpretation and the hype surrounding this? ...

... and then why don't you try and civilly answer some of the questions and challenges put forth in the many Evolution threads?

pelathais 03-08-2010 11:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884350)
Exactly my point. You go out of your way on EVERY forum you have ever been a memeber to act like a dirtbag to anyone who opposes you and dares stand up to the great Dan Alicea. And you get away with it. No ne else would....but good old Dan does.

I called you on your typical M.O and you keep it so you can always post it to remind me? Or show others that I can call a jerk when I see a jerk? Whats your point?

Everyone here knows you are a jer. Everyone else either just refuses to say it or "accepts" that you are who you are. The only kind word I've ever seen about you was from Sister Alvear, and she would likely have kind words for Satan rather than speak a negative.

One day, if there is in fact a just and fair God, someone will indeed put you inyour place. Hopfully very hard and very violently. My regret is that since I don't run in social circles with sell outs and backsliders I will not have the pleasure of seeing it happen. Unless by some great stroke of luk it ends up on Youtube. Then maybe you can link it to your bitter little anti-Stoneking website.

This is an example of a very troubling post. The references to violence have no place in a public forum in this day and age; and especially not in a Christian forum.

For what it's worth Nitehawk, I have never seen DAII descend to the petty and personal in his posts. You can agree or disagree - you can even get annoyed at his obvious happiness - but to express a desire for violence is beyond the pale. DAII would never do what you have done.

And the disrespect you've shown Sister A. - who isn't even involved in this discussion - requires an immediate apology.

Admin 03-08-2010 11:34 AM

Re: Shocker! Newest "Missing Link" is a Hoax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884350)
Exactly my point. You go out of your way on EVERY forum you have ever been a memeber to act like a dirtbag to anyone who opposes you and dares stand up to the great Dan Alicea. And you get away with it. No ne else would....but good old Dan does.

I called you on your typical M.O and you keep it so you can always post it to remind me? Or show others that I can call a jerk when I see a jerk? Whats your point?

Everyone here knows you are a jer. Everyone else either just refuses to say it or "accepts" that you are who you are. The only kind word I've ever seen about you was from Sister Alvear, and she would likely have kind words for Satan rather than speak a negative.

One day, if there is in fact a just and fair God, someone will indeed put you inyour place. Hopfully very hard and very violently. My regret is that since I don't run in social circles with sell outs and backsliders I will not have the pleasure of seeing it happen. Unless by some great stroke of luk it ends up on Youtube. Then maybe you can link it to your bitter little anti-Stoneking website.

Stop this type posting immediately!

notofworks 03-08-2010 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884350)
Everyone here knows you are a jerk. Everyone else either just refuses to say it or "accepts" that you are who you are. The only kind word I've ever seen about you was from Sister Alvear, and she would likely have kind words for Satan rather than speak a negative.


As Yoda would say, "Wrong, you are." I would just like to stand up here in testimony service and say that I like Dan. I like his postings, haven't disagreed with him on anything yet, and appreciate his insistence that people like you back up what you say. I also completely support his theological grilling of Lee Stoneking.

So I'll sign up for the DAII Fan Club.

So hawker, wrong you are.

notofworks 03-08-2010 11:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884350)
One day, if there is in fact a just and fair God, someone will indeed put you inyour place. Hopfully very hard and very violently. My regret is that since I don't run in social circles with sell outs and backsliders I will not have the pleasure of seeing it happen. Unless by some great stroke of luk it ends up on Youtube. Then maybe you can link it to your bitter little anti-Stoneking website.


IF there is a fair and just God? Wow hawker, I wasn't aware you were wavering in your faith. Thank God for men like DAII who stand in the truth of the wholeness of God! I'm shocked and dismayed to know there are doubters, like you, among us!!! Goodness! :lol

But really, that last part.....wow. You have some serious issues there, my friend. Get some help. That's not good. :thumbsup

Nitehawk013 03-08-2010 12:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 884428)
This is an example of a very troubling post. The references to violence have no place in a public forum in this day and age; and especially not in a Christian forum.

For what it's worth Nitehawk, I have never seen DAII descend to the petty and personal in his posts. You can agree or disagree - you can even get annoyed at his obvious happiness - but to express a desire for violence is beyond the pale. DAII would never do what you have done.

And the disrespect you've shown Sister A. - who isn't even involved in this discussion - requires an immediate apology.

What disrespect for Sis A are you talking about? The point is that she wouldnever say anythign negative about anyone, even Satan.

And if you'ev never seen Dan descend into personal attacks, you must not be reading. How many times does he get away with making jabs at people on a daily basis? Go count how many times he butchers another posters screen name as a direct dig against them. Oh wait, you do it too so I guess thats fine as well. How many times he insults their intelligence or as he just did earlier this thread...said Jason and I had small brains. Oh thats not petty descent though right?

Spare me. You get up in arms because i hope he reaps what he sows and gets put in his place, yet no one here has any problem whatsoever with his constant jabbing and instigating. Thats not hypocritical or anything at all though right?

And go back a few posts. I made no personal attack until he did. Unless Dan was one of the scientists hawking that fraud in the beginning then no...I said nothign about him. He chose to step in and make jabs at Jason and I.

As usual though, Dan can stir the pot and only those who get sick of him and say something back get the rebukes. Plays out on every forum he shows up on. No wonder some will not let him around.

notofworks 03-08-2010 12:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884449)
What disrespect for Sis A are you talking about? The point is that she wouldnever say anythign negative about anyone, even Satan.

And if you'ev never seen Dan descend into personal attacks, you must not be reading. How many times does he get away with making jabs at people on a daily basis? Go count how many times he butchers another posters screen name as a direct dig against them. Oh wait, you do it too so I guess thats fine as well. How many times he insults their intelligence or as he just did earlier this thread...said Jason and I had small brains. Oh thats not petty descent though right?

Spare me. You get up in arms because i hope he reaps what he sows and gets put in his place, yet no one here has any problem whatsoever with his constant jabbing and instigating. Thats not hypocritical or anything at all though right?

And go back a few posts. I made no personal attack until he did. Unless Dan was one of the scientists hawking that fraud in the beginning then no...I said nothign about him. He chose to step in and make jabs at Jason and I.

As usual though, Dan can stir the pot and only those who get sick of him and say something back get the rebukes. Plays out on every forum he shows up on. No wonder some will not let him around.


I've had my screen name torn to shreds countless times. At one time, I was keeping a log. Eventually, I said, "Whatever." Dan has never altered my name, however.

Secondly, your insult to "Sister Alvear" was WAY out of bounds and if you have to ask Pel what he's talking about, then your issues are more serious than I first suspected. It's one thing to verbally assault someone and realize how awful the things are you're saying. It's quite another to verbally assault someone and then say, "Who, me? What'd I do?" If you truly don't know what you said about her that was out-of-line, you're in big trouble.

pelathais 03-08-2010 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884449)
What disrespect for Sis A are you talking about? The point is that she wouldnever say anythign negative about anyone, even Satan.

And if you'ev never seen Dan descend into personal attacks, you must not be reading. How many times does he get away with making jabs at people on a daily basis? Go count how many times he butchers another posters screen name as a direct dig against them. Oh wait, you do it too so I guess thats fine as well. How many times he insults their intelligence or as he just did earlier this thread...said Jason and I had small brains. Oh thats not petty descent though right?

Spare me. You get up in arms because i hope he reaps what he sows and gets put in his place, yet no one here has any problem whatsoever with his constant jabbing and instigating. Thats not hypocritical or anything at all though right?

And go back a few posts. I made no personal attack until he did. Unless Dan was one of the scientists hawking that fraud in the beginning then no...I said nothign about him. He chose to step in and make jabs at Jason and I.

As usual though, Dan can stir the pot and only those who get sick of him and say something back get the rebukes. Plays out on every forum he shows up on. No wonder some will not let him around.

You are one troubled puppy right now Nite-Nite. Better get some sleep.

Jason B 03-08-2010 04:29 PM

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Yeah, Dan took a dig at me, I can live with it. I generally am entertained with what DA posts, and He doesn't bother me to much. During his exodus I PM'd him on FB and asked if he'd be posting here again.

I would only say to Dan don't dish it out if you can't take it. I think he is generally able to take it.

If I take a dig at Dan hopefully He knows its in fun, and if he does the same to me, thats how I take it. If he means something as an insult, and I don't take it tha way, its his issue, not mine.

I think he dwells on the UPC a bit much, but he normally brings things to the table that are being swept under the rug or kept under wraps. Big deal.

That said, Nitehawks post was WAY over the line. No one should hope for vengence upon someone else,and especially a "Hard and Violent" type. This is not at all Christs attitude towards others. EVEN *IF* DA were backslid, that would be no way to talk to him.

dizzyde 03-08-2010 04:45 PM

Re: Shocker! Newest "Missing Link" is a Hoax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 884350)
Exactly my point. You go out of your way on EVERY forum you have ever been a memeber to act like a dirtbag to anyone who opposes you and dares stand up to the great Dan Alicea. And you get away with it. No ne else would....but good old Dan does.

I called you on your typical M.O and you keep it so you can always post it to remind me? Or show others that I can call a jerk when I see a jerk? Whats your point?

Everyone here knows you are a jer. Everyone else either just refuses to say it or "accepts" that you are who you are. The only kind word I've ever seen about you was from Sister Alvear, and she would likely have kind words for Satan rather than speak a negative.

One day, if there is in fact a just and fair God, someone will indeed put you inyour place. Hopfully very hard and very violently. My regret is that since I don't run in social circles with sell outs and backsliders I will not have the pleasure of seeing it happen. Unless by some great stroke of luk it ends up on Youtube. Then maybe you can link it to your bitter little anti-Stoneking website.

For the record, outside of what you said about Sis. Alvear being way out of line, I have heard on MULTIPLE occasions on this board people talking about what a fine person Dan is and how they value his friendship. And while I have never had the pleasure myself of meeting Dan in person, that is one the things I have on my *things I wish to do* list. Your Christianity is put into serious questioning after this post, IMO.

Orthodoxy 03-08-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 884516)
Yeah, Dan took a dig at me, I can live with it. I generally am entertained with what DA posts, and He doesn't bother me to much. During his exodus I PM'd him on FB and asked if he'd be posting here again.

I would only say to Dan don't dish it out if you can't take it. I think he is generally able to take it.

If I take a dig at Dan hopefully He knows its in fun, and if he does the same to me, thats how I take it. If he means something as an insult, and I don't take it tha way, its his issue, not mine.

I think he dwells on the UPC a bit much, but he normally brings things to the table that are being swept under the rug or kept under wraps. Big deal.

That said, Nitehawks post was WAY over the line. No one should hope for vengence upon someone else,and especially a "Hard and Violent" type. This is not at all Christs attitude towards others. EVEN *IF* DA were backslid, that would be no way to talk to him.

Great post, Jason! :thumbsup

Orthodoxy 03-08-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 884238)
You remember how those Evolution debates went, don't you Jason?

A little less-than-classy coming from your own lips! LOL ;)

pelathais 03-09-2010 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Orthodoxy (Post 884550)
A little less-than-classy coming from your own lips! LOL ;)

"Less than classy" ???

What I remembered was that no one but coadie even tried to answer the challenges - and coadie was clearly in need of a doctor's care at the time.

I'm not doing a little dance here saying, "Oh yeah! In your face! I won!" I'm just saying that there really isn't a lot of people who have a background in this area to fully debate the topic as it deserves. And so, sadly, the topic molders from neglect.

Cool avatar pic by the way.

Orthodoxy 03-09-2010 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 884748)

Cool avatar pic by the way.

Thanks... It's Bora Bora in the South Pacific, the most beautiful place on earth.

DAII 03-09-2010 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Orthodoxy (Post 884755)
Thanks... It's Bora Bora in the South Pacific, the most beautiful place on earth.

Bora, Bora ... what is that supposed to mean, Orthodoxy?

You wanna piece of me too?!!!!

:smack

Jermyn Davidson 03-09-2010 03:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 884437)
As Yoda would say, "Wrong, you are." I would just like to stand up here in testimony service and say that I like Dan. I like his postings, haven't disagreed with him on anything yet, and appreciate his insistence that people like you back up what you say. I also completely support his theological grilling of Lee Stoneking.

So I'll sign up for the DAII Fan Club.

So hawker, wrong you are.

NiteHawk,

I like Dan too, from what I know of him on AFF.


Since he has offended you, you should take it upon yourself to address it (in private).

Dan. since you know that NiteHawk is offended, Biblically, you should take it upon yourself to address him (in private).


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