Enseyian Logic: God Made Mistake with Facial Hair
 

In JR Ensey's new March blog edition, in addition to another emergent rant, JR, asks some poignant questions


Did God make a mistake, JR, in allowing facial hair to grow naturally on our faces? A cosmic tease? Were OT and NT men living behind "masks"?

And does he think that this study is why King George doesn't allow his ballplayers to wear facial hair?

Are these books flying of the shelves?

Are you SERIOUS?

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It really, really, really bugs me that men are supposed to look to the world to see what is acceptable, and copy that. But, women are not. Women are forbidden from "looking like the world".

This facial hair thing is one of the most glaring double-standards ever.

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Wow. Always love your common sense take on things.

His assertion that God wants us to look as good as we are ... goes back to what you have said about the obsession over"the look", in the previous posts.

These men have a 1950's snapshot of what Apostolic looks and dresses like, for all time, and have confused it with the Holiness of the Almighty.

Is Papa Gray ... hiding behind a mask, Elder Ensey?

He's the conservative ... YOU'RE THE LIBERAL!

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And while we're at it ... why is it we don't find a record of Apostolic women "reminding" God of their uncut hair vows anywhere in the Wesleyan tradition?

Does this facial hair standard apply to Apostolics of other cultures as well?

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So now we make arguments for how men should act based on what the Yankees do?

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If women must have long, uncut hair and wear skirts because God cares about the distinction between the sexes..... what is more distinctly masculine than a beard?

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Shall we start with A-Rod?

Although we are champions and the Yanks are too.

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Of course, in OT times it was just as shameful not to have a beard for a male as shaving a man or women's head bald.

Abraham would think us manly men without beards are a bunch of sissies without whiskers.

Distinction seems to apply to woman only in this culture ... it breeds sexism, imo.

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Just don't try the managerial pat on the rear, Sparky.

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After reading the blog entry, he makes valid points for his position. It is not a position I take, but those are his reasonings and they are perfectly valid for him.

I have had a feeling growing lately, however, that if we really believe in women and men looking different, then facial hair should be acceptable, even encouraged for men. It is perfectly natural, the vast majority of women do not have it, and would further enhance the distinction of a man and woman. One might go as far say that a man shaving his face causes him to look more feminine.

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Yep. The men of antiquity would agree.
As for his reasonings they are non-biblical and contradict bible heritage.

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aw c'mon.

The Yankees are the example of how godly men should live.

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Does that mean we all have to start dating Madonna? My wife might not like that.

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You are exactly correct. And when the reasoning for men not wearing beards is found by pointing towards what the men 'of the world' do..... well, that is just very ironic.

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hmm, Inventing new words again Dan eh. I do scruffy a lot, I shave once, maybe twice a week.... where does that place me on the enseyen scale?

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As much as the allowance for facial hair is a slam dunk biblically and historically ... many of these men could never flip-flop on this ... they have preached it so hard and heavy for so long they know they would lose their members ...

The question would beg to be asked: If he was wrong about this, what else is he wrong about?

They can't do it. So they can only seek to perpetuate it.

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When I began really thinking about and studying this issue, it was a real eye opener for me. It showed me clearly how much we really value our tradition.

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Ugh .. not me ... even I have standards.

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Just shaved all my facial hair off Sunday afternoon it had gotten so shaggy I was chewing on the whiskers. Now I am a candidate for salvation.

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Makes you a moderate ... Ensey would be to your left.

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You can't be a lawyer and have a beard .... can you?

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nice to know where one stands in the grande scheme of things..

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We don't hold you being in Connecticut against you ... do we?

You know my wife says we should re-locate there ... and be close to my hometown.

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Yankees baseball? Islanders hockey? Seasons? No temptation mind you...

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This "shave only" doctrine is truly cultic and unscriptural. Wonder how many souls have turned from Oneness over it? Souls that sought truth among Oneness groups and were basically shown the door? I know. I was one.

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This is from a couple of years ago when I was hell bound.

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I'm a Rangers fan ... and can see doing so in a few more years ...

Miss the seasons, greatly.

My kids come first, however. Right now, this will be home.

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There are a significant number in DC that have beards and long hair.

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They must be Democrats and defense lawyers. This is the home Marion Barry ... is it not?

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It hurts credibility ... I agree. That and the other non-biblical positions targeting women.

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LOL.

Saying a lawyer in DC is a Democrat is like saying dogs have legs, nothing like stating the obvious.

MB is still involved as an elected official in the DC government.

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If they are Democrats, they can't be God-fearing Christians.

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"If having to shave/not wearing shorts/having uncut hair/no pants on women turned someone away, then they just were not ready to receive Christ."

:tic

But I have personally heard this before.

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One Sunday night in his sermon our pastor said, "The Bible teaches that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." I spoke up and said, "I'd like to see where that's in the Bible." My wife grabbed my arm and gave me "that look." Husbands and children know what "that look" is. Either the pastor did not hear me or he chose to ignore me. When we walked out of that church after service we did not come back although we had been going there about 15 years.

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Sure they can Dan, they are just Christians who need more education. LOL.

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I hear ya bro. I could be a Yankees fan from Austin. but my wife and daughter's people are mostly here. So I reckon I'll be here for a bit.

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Certainly can in Texas.

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So you are saying a "Christian Democrat" is walking proof of the light doctrine??

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Nice.

Well done.

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Its just as false to teach a woman cannot trim as it is to teach "shave only". They are both an offence to the truth.