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Chris Matthews was interviewing Dan Rather this week end, when Dan said "the fact is this president couldnt sell watermelons if we gave him a state trooper to stop the traffic for him" after being shouted over by mr warm fuzzy feeling, mr matthews, or anybody else has said anything in the lame stream media why ? God forbid if a repub said this. Sorry id post the link to the vid if i knew how.

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I saw the story on this as well, but haven't seen the actual video clip.

Yes, let a Republican or a guest/commentator/news anchor on FoxNews say this and they would be ripped to shreds.

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Problem is, the Republicans have a reputation that they have worked hard to earn that they must deal with.

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Not really Jermyn.

It was the Democratic Party that filibustered the Civil Rights Act and it was Republican Senators who brought cots into their offices so they could be ready at a moment's notice to vote at any time day or night to pass that legislation.

It is the Democrat Party that uses Orwellian language to to accuse anyone who opposes their regime of "racism." Since the 1970's the mainstream media has been the tool by which the lies and smears are spread.

It is the Democrat Party that publicly "lynches" men like Clarence Thomas. Remember that? Or the racist smears against Condoleezza Rice?

Statements like yours just continue the atmosphere of "tolerance" that the racists enjoy. Why don't you stand up for the oppressed and those that suffer from the effects of overt racism?

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:thumbsup

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Dan Rather responds to the backlash:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-ra..._b_492890.html

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I've always respected Dan Rather and will continue to do so.


If Rush had said what Dan said, it would have a distinct connotation-- based solely on the Rush's past episodes of oral diarrhea. A connotation that would simply be insulting.

Rush, like many others, have earned their reputations, within the last 20 years.



Unfortunately, because of the reputation that FOXNEWS has, if Dan Rather had made that statement on FOXNEWS, it may be a little more difficult to be just give him the benefit of doubt.

However, like most well-known Americans, Dan Rather's past precedes him. The same is true for news outlets and, in many circumstances, their commentators.

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But its ok for tiger to tell racist stereotype jokes in a GQ interview.The old double standard again.

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I have a problem with there being something so wrong with this when we have "The United Negro College Fund" .... "Congressional Black Caucus" .... "NAACP" .... "The Organization of Black Airline Pilots Inc." etc, etc, etc. Isn't that a little one sided!

Okay, let's put the joke on those of you on this forum that are ministers or preachers..... "Do you know why preachers eat so much chicken?" .... "Ever since that rooster told off on Peter for denying the Lord we have been trying to eat them all up!"

Now I guess all of you are offended at Been Thinkin'

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Oh yes it does! Where have YOU shown the same holy outrage toward Dan Blather that you often do toward Sam or anyone else who makes fun of the anointed Pelosi?

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Sure, Dan Rather's past does precede him... but I think you're looking at him with rose colored glasses and from a very partisan angle.

Dan Rather was fired from his position as anchor of the CBS Evening News because of journalistic fraud. He perpetuated the myth of the "Fake But 'Real' Memos" that were fabricated by a Democrat activist and demanded that they be accepted as 'real' even long after they were proven to be fakes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian...ts_controversy

The uber-liberal Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs blog was the one who posted irrefutable proof that the memos were fake. Rather's lawsuit against CBS was unceremoniously tossed out by the courts for being as bogus as the "Fake But Accurate" memos. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12282982...suit-Dismissal

Rather was then relegated to the dungeons of television news.

Rather has a long history of making racist and anti-American comments: "They got the Buckwheats..." was his description of the media's coverage of the Chandra Levy case.

In 1988 he featured 6 Vietnam vets who described their "atrocities" in Vietnam - a later investigation showed that all 6 former service members and Dan Rather himself had all lied about their experiences. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Valor

The phrase "Rather Biased" was coined by a Washington Post and New York Times columnist to describe the legion of "reports" filed by Rather that show his poor sense of objectivity. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Jan13.html

Rather's rather bizarre account of his alleged "mugging" in New York was the basis for the R.E.M. song "Kenneth What Was the Frequency?"

Even while serving as CBS's lead news anchor Dan Rather also participated in partisan fund raising activities and actively campaigned for Democrat candidates. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...34557-2001Apr3

One of his most famous "newscasts" was actually his non-appearance after he walked off the set in a temper tantrum and caused CBS to to broadcast a blank screen for six minutes until the producers recovered. http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/13/ny...pagewanted=all

Dan Rather is perhaps the prime example of what has been wrong with "mainstream journalism" for the past 40 years. His generation's infatuation with the Democrat Party and Keynesian economics is wholly responsible for the demise of American manufacturing, the $12 trillion (and counting) debt, the bankrupt Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid mess and the continued institutionalized racism that the Democrat Party uses for it's voting scams.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010...umbling-acorn/

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story...storyid=163905

http://www.rottenacorn.com/

http://michellemalkin.com/category/acorn-watch/

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... for example ...

http://www.alexanderjason.com/alteration-condi.htm

Compare the following two pictures:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2720/...4656d6aa_o.gif and ... http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/...fa2c3535_o.jpg

Dr. Condoleezza Rice was vilified for "betraying her race" while Michelle Obama wears the identical hair style is heralded as a "fashion maven."

And Ted Rall's cartoon of Condi Rice wasn't just some far out extremist jab - he was being published in the New York Times and Washington Post at the time.

See Colin Powell's experiences: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/20/powell-arnold/

See Clarence Thomas' experiences: http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2010...ck-called.html

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I have asked the Administrators to delete my post with the the White House refrigerator picture attachment.

I apologize to those who were offended by it.

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Outstanding work pel !. Where is the outrage from all the racial apologists ?

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There isn't any simply because we know liberals "aren't" and conservatives "are" (according to liberals) so anything said by either side will be subject to that simple logic (again, by liberals).

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Exactly !

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Thanks Sam. Apology happily accepted! :)

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This is a "fingernails on the chalkboard" argument for me. There is only one reason these groups were ever formed. They needed them. As a marginalized demographic of society, that has long been rejected from the mainstream, these groups are naturally going to develop a system of commonality support. Of course they would!! And they should!

And in case one feels like there's no longer a need for these demographical commonality support systems, just consider that as recently as early this decade, major studies showed that, when applying for a job, African-Americans were EIGHT TIMES LESS LIKELY to be called for an interview than caucasians, when the resumes were identical.

We cannot afford to bury our heads in the sand and pretend as though Martin Luther King's dream has become a reality.

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HUH?

By the resumes how did they know they were white or black? Something doesn't ring true to that statement.

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It was a study done by, I believe, the University of Chicago early this decade. They sent out 10,000 resumes to Fortune 500 companies. 5,000 of the applications had traditional names (James, Robert, etc.) and 5,000 had colorful, creative names common in the black community (Shaquille, Laquesha, etc.)

Identical resumes were attached and the traditional sounding names were 8 times more likely to be called for an interview. I was familiarized with this study through a local Affirmative Action group that I participated in for a while.

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I have heard of this study. No doubt in my mind of its truth.


Same is true when conducting business over the phone. Usually, one can tell the race and the general waistline of the person they are speaking with.

However, the study with the names is legitimate.


http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas...acialbias.html

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I was offended and I accept your apology, my brother in Christ.


Your issues may be different from mine, but we all have issues.

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Thanks for the link!!! I've cited the study before and would get hit with the "prove it" response. I looked for it once and couldn't find it! I'm gonna save the link.

Rgcraig, you doubted the study. Any observations?

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Personaly im tired of blacks calling Clarence Thomas, Condi and Colin" uncle toms" just because they dont "toe the party line" Where is the outrage from the africans americans on this forum as it pertains to this cartoon vs michelles look ? the silence is deafening. Dont hammer racism and skip the reverse because of party affiliation. Its time to tell the truth !

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Yes it is bad for "Thomas, Rice and Powell" to be called names.

Is it racism for a black person to call another black person, "Uncle Tom"?


Hurtful, classless, and ignorant, yes.


Racist?

Racism, defined by Webster's Dictionary, is "a belief that by nature some races are superior to others," or "discrimination based on such belief."

Blacks calling other blacks, "Uncle Tom" is not what I would consider racism.

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Wow, impressive. You've really studied and researched the African-American demographic and now fully understand what they're all about and why they say what they say. Job well done. :thumbsdown

The truth is smacking you right in the face and you don't even know it. Your post is typical of many white Americans who just want to grab an isolated incident in an attempt to justify depravity with supposed depravity.

An isolated black person calling Thomas, Rice, & Powell, "Uncle Tom's" does not constitute racism, and doesn't change the monumentally adversarial stacked deck that black America faces every single day.

I don't agree that Thomas, Rice, and Powell are "Uncle Tom's" but I also would provide space for some to express their opinion and also try to understand where they're coming from.

And I do understand where they're coming from.

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Well I do have to take issue with this part of your post.

1) The characters of the three accomplished American, black professionals mentioned have been unnecesarilly maligned by MANY in the "Black Community" for a long, long time. The insults for them, unfortunately, are not isolated.

Add Cosby, Sowell and any other black American who tries to publicly put more resposnisibility on the "Black Community" for our plight in America.


2) That "monumentally adversarial stacked deck that black America faces every single day" may be the doing of years and years of harsh injustice. For argument's sake we'll say it is.

However, I am convinced that the destroying of that "deck" rests in the Grace of God and the personal decisions, good and bad, of each American individual that faces such challenges.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making AWESOME personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making TERRIBLE personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

Who should they thank? Who should they blame?


Furthermore, being that my roots are West Virginian, I have seen first-hand the results of poverty on black and white Americans. I have heard of whites from WVa making good educational decisions and see far too many whites who make poor educational decisions. By the time they're 25, the deck is stacked against them too. The same can be applied to the blacks I know and have heard of from WVa.



This is a phenomenon commonly referred to as, "life".

For the over OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, they have more opportunities for success and/or failure than what you may be trying to suggest.

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Good post JD. From the viewpoint of a strong conservative and commenting on your thoughts at face value, you just articulated my viewpoint close to 100 percent.

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Folks, it is like listening to a slightly more articulate Cindy Sheehan!

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I actually agree with everything you said. What I'm trying to say is this...when someone says something like "Colin Powell is an Uncle Tom", I'd like to know why they say it and from where their motivation comes.

Yes, there are a few exceptional people that can excel in ANY situation or condition. But I don't think it's fair to say, "Because they did, anyone can."

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Why not?

I had an English teacher tell me the EXACT same thing in my formative years (somewhere in my vast teenage wasteland, between listening to the sermons of f-khan nightly and decrying the existence of HBCU's as racist.)

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:ursofunny:ursofunnyAt least you said I'm, "more articulate." :lol


I once had an African-American doctor respond quite angrily when I told him the problems I saw with the black culture and the way they respond to certain things and I threw in some shots at Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Whew. I've never made that mistake again! :lol

In his completely justifiable tirade he launched into, with which he made me cry, he asked, "Have you ever been grabbed by the back of your collar and thrown to the ground and called a 'Bleeping n____' because you were drinking out of a white man's water fountain?" He passionately asked several more similar questions concerning being thrown out of a restaurant, and repeatedly being currently pulled over in his Mercedes and simply being asked to produce ID and a "matching" registration.

When I answered, "No" to all of it, he said, "Then don't you ever tell me how I should think."

So I've never made that mistake again.

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bump for NotOfWorks

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Because not everyone is born with the same aptitudes. Not everyone responds the same, emotionally, to racial rejection, nor do all respond the same to socio-economic rejection. The makeup of each person is radically different in the way of emotions, intellect, natural talents and gifts, talents & skills, and the way they respond to obstacles.

Even in an "equal" society, some are capable of making millions of dollars and others simply don't have the gift of monetary reproduction. How much more does that apply to those who face the enormous obstacles of racism and racial stereotypes, and to those who face socio-economic bias?

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My response to racial rejection is whose responsibility?

My response to socio-economic rejection is whose responsibility?

My response to obstacles is whose responsibility?


Will the answers be different based on race? (within the confines of the USA)

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Thanks jd you are the first person on here of color, to my knowledge, who has said anything about this.Your right, it is more than an isolated incident, also african americans need to stop referring to each other as uncles,stop calling each other by the n word and referring to their women in degrading sexual terms.Then and only then can we can expect others to follow suit.

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Ultimately, each person bears responsibility for everything they do. But to reduce the reality of the impact of circumstances, and as well, to ignore the fact that different people are able to handle rejection and obstacles in different ways, would be unwise, I believe.


It's also interesting that some of the people mentioned here that have "risen above the obstacles", have directly benefitted from affirmative action...Powell, Thomas, for example. Also, Walter Williams, a frequent guest-host for Rush Limbaugh, was a direct beneficiary of affirmative action.

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I understand where you are coming from. The problem is, that for me, it becomes all too easy to play the blame game. So to protect myself from self-sabotage, I guard myself against it.


I NEVER LEFT OUT THE GRACE OF GOD as I believe that there are some bad things that could have gone much worse for me if not for His Grace. There are some good things that only happened because of the Grace of God.


I will go even further and state plainly that our country is in dire straits, morally speaking. There are many Americans that cannot get enough of satan's poison. So when you have black people, who may not start out at the best place in "life" from the start, and you feed those people with satan's poison, what can one expect to happen?


Do you blame the blind for being blind?
Do you blame satan? Why? He's just doing his job.
Do you blame God? Why? Doesn't he give everyone free will?
So who do you blame?




I think the likes of Powell, Thomas and Williams believe that race-based Affirmative Action has outlived its usefullness.

I disagree with their thinking. I think that it needs to be adjusted in scope to address class and race.

The black son of Doctor and Schoolteacher that comes from a two parent home, raised in the Northern Va suburbs of Washington, DC will probably succeed, with or without the help of AA, in today's America.

His first name probably won't be Jamal, but even if it is, he'd probably overcome the prejudice and when given the opportunity to shine, he will be PREPARED to shine.


The black son, 1 of 5 children born to the single mother in Memphis, TN who for any number of reasons is unable to keep a job, will never get to a place to where AA even matters, statistically speaking.


That is where AA, and thus our country, simply fails.

Change Memphis, TN to LA, or Baltimore, and that same kid may be dead before age 17.

AA does not address these problems.
NAACP, the Democrats, the GOP-- everyone fails these folks and these folks fail each other.



Of course, in theory, failure is never acceptable, but it would be in this case-- if not for the Grace of God that's available to all Americans.

Unfortunately, many folks follow the steps of King Ahaz-- in distress, they displease the Lord even more.

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With respect, the Clarence Thomas hearings of 1991 were not some "isolated individual" but an onslaught by the entire Democrat Party to show what happens to Blacks who "leave the plantation" of the DNC. The mainstream media were important co-contributers to this televised lynching as well.

The current Vice President of the United States led the charge. (Watch on YouTube for links to several other segments).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2yfARRF9Co

A point of information: All of the members of my family who "pass for Black" are Republicans as well as everyone else. This goes back to the Civil Rights era when my wife's great uncle was burned alive by a mob of klansmen and the Democrat officials who ran the State of Mississippi covered it up and protected the murderers.

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I don't disagree at all. What they did to Thomas was horrible, and what they did to Bork was worse.

Speaking of Biden....for whatever reason, I feel defensive of Obama, mostly because he's our president and should be respected and prayed for. But Biden? Whew....I can't stand him. Him being a heartbeat away from the presidency is far scarier than Dan "Potatoe" Quayle.