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soldoutochrist 03-13-2010 04:32 PM

Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Than those in mainstream Christianity?


Yes? No?

:hmmm

notofworks 03-13-2010 04:51 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soldoutochrist (Post 886723)
Than those in mainstream Christianity?


Yes? No?

:hmmm



:ursofunny:ursofunnyOh boy. I might should stay off AFF for a few days!!!:lol

Baron1710 03-13-2010 04:53 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soldoutochrist (Post 886723)
Than those in mainstream Christianity?


Yes? No?

:hmmm

I guess I don't see the difference. Those who claim to be "Apostolic" are not any more saved than the rest of Christendom.

El Predicador 03-13-2010 05:02 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Apostolic- following the Apostles' doctrine.

If you are not Apostolic you are not saved.

Does that make you "better"?

No, just means you won't burn in hell like you deserve.

soldoutochrist 03-13-2010 05:06 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 886746)
Apostolic- following the Apostles' doctrine.

If you are not Apostolic you are not saved.

Does that make you "better"?

No, just means you won't burn in hell like you deserve.


Perhaps I'll clear it up.

Does belonging to an organization like the UPC or WPF or any other 'Acts 2:38' org make you superior to those who are Baptist, Methodist, Assemblies of God, or just plain ol' nondenominational?

Jermyn Davidson 03-13-2010 05:07 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soldoutochrist (Post 886723)
Than those in mainstream Christianity?


Yes? No?

:hmmm

Better in what way?

I think an argument could be made that the "serious" Apostolic is closer to God than the "serious" Methodist, Catholic, Baptist, etc.


In some ways, a carnal Apostolic is worst than his carnal counterpart, in that we usually know more and simply choose to be spiritually lazy, triffling, living off of the welfare of someone else's preaching, praying and spirituality.

El Predicador 03-13-2010 05:09 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soldoutochrist (Post 886748)
Perhaps I'll clear it up.

Does belonging to an organization like the UPC or WPF or any other 'Acts 2:38' org make you superior to those who are Baptist, Methodist, Assemblies of God, or just plain ol' nondenominational?

See post above, if you are not Apostolic you are not saved.

If you ARE saved why would you be in one of those denominations?

soldoutochrist 03-13-2010 05:13 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 886752)
See post above, if you are not Apostolic you are not saved.

If you ARE saved why would you be in one of those denominations?

Wow. I'm guessing that your answer is a Yes on this issue, then. Thanks so much for the input. :thumbsup

Jermyn Davidson 03-13-2010 05:13 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 886752)
See post above, if you are not Apostolic you are not saved.

If you ARE saved why would you be in one of those denominations?

Because I don't like the way your church smells....

Maybe someone else can help me think of another reason.

Baron1710 03-13-2010 05:14 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 886752)
See post above, if you are not Apostolic you are not saved.

If you ARE saved why would you be in one of those denominations?

Nonsense.

One is saved by placing their faith in Jesus Christ, not by jumping through a bunch of hoops.

El Predicador 03-13-2010 05:23 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 886754)
Because I don't like the way your church smells....

Maybe someone else can help me think of another reason.

My that was certainly Apostolic of you...

El Predicador 03-13-2010 05:26 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soldoutochrist (Post 886753)
Wow. I'm guessing that your answer is a Yes on this issue, then. Thanks so much for the input. :thumbsup

Never said yes, matter of fact I actually said no not better, just have to believe Apostle's doctrine to be saved.

Baron1710 03-13-2010 05:28 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 886758)
Never said yes, matter of fact I actually said no not better, just have to believe Apostle's doctrine to be saved.

So how does one follow the Apostles doctrine?

El Predicador 03-13-2010 05:33 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886760)
So how does one follow the Apostles doctrine?

SAME way they did 2,000 years ago.


ACTS 2:38 !!!!!

DAII 03-13-2010 05:33 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Jesus makes me best.

Jermyn Davidson 03-13-2010 05:33 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 886757)
My that was certainly Apostolic of you...


Some churches, when you walk in, smell like feet, or corn chips or something like it.


Some churches are so self-righteous that they stink even to God.


So my reason for not going to your Apostolic church could really be because your church stinks.

Jermyn Davidson 03-13-2010 05:34 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 886763)
Jesus makes me best.

Yeah, but I'm His favorite.

Baron1710 03-13-2010 05:36 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 886762)
SAME way they did 2,000 years ago.


ACTS 2:38 !!!!!

So if some one where to shout out at you in the middle of the night, "What must I do to be saved?" You would say, "Acts 2:38"?

mizpeh 03-13-2010 05:37 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886755)
Nonsense.

One is saved by placing their faith in Jesus Christ, not by jumping through a bunch of hoops.

Being Apostolic is nonsense?


Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

mizpeh 03-13-2010 05:38 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886768)
So if some one where to shout out at you in the middle of the night, "What must I do to be saved?" You would say, "Acts 2:38"?

After he explained the gospel! :thumbsup

Baron1710 03-13-2010 05:39 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 886769)
Being Apostolic is nonsense?


Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Claiming that one is "Apostolic" to the exclusion of everyone who disagrees with you is nonsense. You don't have any more claim to the term Apostolic than the Catholics who use the term.

soldoutochrist 03-13-2010 05:39 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 886767)
Yeah, but I'm His favorite.

As Jason Upton says, "That's one of the mysteries of heaven - we're all God's favorite." ;)

Jermyn Davidson 03-13-2010 05:39 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 886769)
Being Apostolic is nonsense?


Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.



Let's also remember to abstain from eating meats with blood in them-- one of the Apostles' other doctrines.

Or is that New Testament scripture not important for today's Apostolic people?

Baron1710 03-13-2010 05:40 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886768)
So if some one where to shout out at you in the middle of the night, "What must I do to be saved?" You would say, "Acts 2:38"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 886770)
After he explained the gospel! :thumbsup

Funny that you want to be apostolic but when the Apostle Paul was asked he didn't say, check out one phrase from Peter's sermon.

Jermyn Davidson 03-13-2010 05:40 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soldoutochrist (Post 886772)
As Jason Upton says, "That's one of the mysteries of heaven - we're all God's favorite." ;)

I feel so loved reading this.

Jermyn Davidson 03-13-2010 05:42 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886775)
Funny that you want to be apostolic but when the Apostle Paul was asked he didn't say, check out one phrase from Peter's sermon.

Maybe you should ask what did Paul tell the Phillipian jailer....

Not even my Pastor has been able to explain that verse away in my mind.

notofworks 03-13-2010 05:42 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 886746)
Apostolic- following the Apostles' doctrine.

If you are not Apostolic you are not saved.

Does that make you "better"?

No, just means you won't burn in hell like you deserve.



:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunnyYou know what they say every village has!!

notofworks 03-13-2010 05:44 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 886758)
Never said yes, matter of fact I actually said no not better, just have to believe Apostle's doctrine to be saved.


So you're saying that 'Saved" isn't better than "Unsaved"?

mizpeh 03-13-2010 05:50 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886771)
Claiming that one is "Apostolic" to the exclusion of everyone who disagrees with you is nonsense.

There is only one faith that was delivered unto the saints....it's apostolic. Whether it's my flavor of "apostolic" or someone else's is beside the point.



Quote:

You don't have any more claim to the term Apostolic than the Catholics who use the term.
Catholics don't adhere to the apostolic doctrines from the scriptures alone.

mizpeh 03-13-2010 05:52 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886775)
Funny that you want to be apostolic but when the Apostle Paul was asked he didn't say, check out one phrase from Peter's sermon.

Luke didn't write out the entirety of what Paul told the jailer but we can guesstimate that the gospel and baptism was part of what Paul spoke to the jailer and his household.

Baron1710 03-13-2010 05:53 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 886780)
There is only one faith that was delivered unto the saints....it's apostolic. Whether it's my flavor of "apostolic" or someone else's is beside the point.



Catholics don't adhere to the apostolic doctrines from the scriptures alone.

Says you. Whatever.

I say the Catholics are more Apostolic than you.

I say you have added to Scripture and muddied the waters of the Apostolic doctrine.

Jermyn Davidson 03-13-2010 05:56 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 886782)
Luke didn't write out the entirety of what Paul told the jailer but we can guesstimate that the gospel and baptism was part of what Paul spoke to the jailer and his household.

Guestimate?


So the salvation of never dying souls are based on a guestimate?

notofworks 03-13-2010 05:59 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 886782)
Luke didn't write out the entirety of what Paul told the jailer but we can guesstimate that the gospel and baptism was part of what Paul spoke to the jailer and his household.


WHAT???? Are you serious??? We can GUESS?? I can't believe I'm reading that. We don't need to guess. We don't need to guess to understand that Paul never, not one singular time anywhere in his writings or in his testimonies propagate the "Three steps" to salvation that apostolics get OCD over.

That's not guesswork, that's just fact.

But I'm guessing the Giants will make the playoffs this year.

Baron1710 03-13-2010 05:59 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 886782)
Luke didn't write out the entirety of what Paul told the jailer but we can guesstimate that the gospel and baptism was part of what Paul spoke to the jailer and his household.

Luke didn't write everything Peter said, I am sure Peter...

Oh wait you would never buy that argument would you?

Keep adding to the Scripture. Someday you may be as Apostolic as my Catholic brothers.

notofworks 03-13-2010 06:02 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886790)
Luke didn't write everything Peter said, I am sure Peter...

Oh wait you would never buy that argument would you?

Keep adding to the Scripture. Someday you may be as Apostolic as my Catholic brothers.


I am totally convinced that Jesus told his disciples to play golf everyday. So I'm trying me best this year to keep that commandment.

mizpeh 03-13-2010 06:14 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886790)
Luke didn't write everything Peter said, I am sure Peter...

Oh wait you would never buy that argument would you?

Keep adding to the Scripture. Someday you may be as Apostolic as my Catholic brothers.

Peter and Paul didn't teach different things. :foottap

Michael The Disciple 03-13-2010 06:16 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Paul told the jailer to be baptized with all his house when he preached the gospel to him. This is so simple.

31: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32: And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34: And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house. Acts 16:31-34

He was to believe. Then Paul gave him the word TO believe. Next the SAME HOUR they were baptized. That should be enough to convince the gainsayers. No way do the Churches that fight baptism for remission of sins do this. Does yours?

They then believed in God even the Lord Jesus Christ. Starts believe on the Lord Jesus. Ends up believing in GOD. Jesus is the God they believed in.

mizpeh 03-13-2010 06:17 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 886783)
Says you. Whatever.

I say the Catholics are more Apostolic than you.

I say you have added to Scripture and muddied the waters of the Apostolic doctrine.

Sola Ecclesia isn't apostolic. It's not part of the canon.

Apocrypha 03-13-2010 06:18 PM

Re: Does being Apostolic make you better?
 
I was in Tampa last weekend and passed by Rexarts church. It even says they are a Acts 2:38 church on the cheap painted sign on the front. I may pop in a visit next time im up. They are surely better than any of us... they maintain their Jewish roots ... which isnt at all in contradiction to the teachings of Paul to Gentiles to stay Gentiles and Jews to be Jews....

Cindy 03-13-2010 06:24 PM

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No.


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