LOST???????????????????
 

What would a Jesus Name Pentecostal have to do to become lost????

Fellowshipping Trinitarians is not a problem?

Being a pervert(gay) is not a problem???


Not going to church is not a problem????


Hating preachers is not a problem??????

Abandoning all standards is not a problem????

Lying on the AS is not a problem??????????

The ONLY thing I know that some feel that would cause an Apostolic to be lost is to keep outward standards???????????

WHAT SAY YOU???????????????????????????????

Steve,

Here is what you must do to be lost:

2: Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found THY WORKS PERFECT BEFORE GOD.
3: Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4: Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev. 3:2-5

If ones works are not perfect his name will be blotted out of the book of life. So its time to go on to perfection.

Lets see....a judgmental spirit for one. So alot of them would be lost. You preach mercy, not getting what we deserve, and grace, getting what we do not deserve, to sinners, but no chance a current saint gets mercy and grace from ministry. Almost every single oneness person I know is this way. It is like this, before we "find" God we do not know any better so if we do these things then we are alright. But those current saints that mess up people treat them like this, now you are "in the way" you can not make a mistake because now you know better.

What since does that make? Does God's grace and mercy run out after we are saved? Lord no! Infact, it probably increases toward us. Living for God is easy, but living in the real word is tough sometimes so God gives us great grace and multiplied mercy. His mercy is new every morning. Find a UPC preacher that will accually follow that....needle...haystack?

Sorry I am NOT UPC and have never been they are too weak!

you are deluded in your thinking, Brother! Now, if you define mercy and grace as tolerant of open and overt sin you might be correct. Otherwise your comments are full of fluff!

His concept of the Love of God is 2 hippies in a sleeping bag.

I know those that practice mercy and grace ... and some who are overly sensitive if anyone corrects them ....

This is plumb wierd on many levels.

Why would you throw that in?

And some perceive God's love as a total of 2 in heaven.

Because folks on here think nothing of fellowshipping Trinitarians.

In the words of RRFord, "Another Stupid thread"

cuz he can ... and hates.

I thought Jesus fellowshipped with sinners.

Jesus went NO where the HEAR them but to preach to them. That is the difference.

Peter asked Jesus "Who then can be lost????????????????????????

I am not referring tp overlooking "overt sin." I am talking about killing people over making mistakes when they know they need to get up and repent. Fluff is defending pentecostals judgemental attitude. If people in the church knew what kind of junk the pastors are up to, at times, and we treated you all the same we are treated, then you would feel differently. I know there are alot of pastors that do not practice what they preach. It is do as I say not as I do. :preach

I was not saying you are UPC yourself. But your response shows how right I am. Oneness pentecostals are the worst in judging. Horrible This is you:preach judging

Oh Come on, SEpley! You know that the VAST majority here do not condone the homosexual lifestyle.(Not to mention some of that other stuff.)

JT you're lost ... you hate preachers.

I think it funny when someone uses "PLUMB" as an adjective.

Rock on Hoover!! Thats plumb crazy!!!:yahoo

I do not hate preachers...I hate the judgmental spirit that some have. I know you feel the same way. I am preacher myself, but I am far from judgmental.

If you didn't hate them you wouldn't criticize them. :coffee2

I really do not hate them. I have had known some great ones. But there are some bad ones out there. Some of those bad ones make the good ones look horrible sometimes.

Ooh! Ooh! I can answer this one.

1. Believe that they can earn their salvation through works.

2. Scatter the flock instead of gather it.

3. Consistently foment a culture of fear in the church.

4. Replace the leading of the Holy Ghost with a long list of rules that supposedly have saving power.

5. Live with a sense of pride in your own professed and supposed "goodness".



:coffee2

:2cents

GOOD POST!

I say, "This is a ridiculous thread and beneath a man of God to pursue". Since you asked my opinion.:girlnails

Blessings, Rhoni

Ignorance of the Good Book Reaches Biblical Proportions.

Thus saith Acteon ....

Please point out any examples of ignorance in this thread.

JESUS FELLOWSHIPPED SINNERS!:preach

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
What would a Jesus Name Pentecostal have to do to become lost????

Fellowshipping Trinitarians is not a problem?


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Jesus was criticized for fellowshipping and eating with publicans and sinners...was Jesus lost?



Being a pervert(gay) is not a problem???


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The practice of homosexual behaviors is a sin, but showing grace and mercy to a sinner is not...Jesus does it on a daily basis...is Jesus lost?




Not going to church is not a problem????


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Many people are not able to go to church, and back in Bible days they met from house to house, Jesus never Pastored a church...is he lost?




Hating preachers is not a problem??????


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Hating anyone is a sin. Not allowing or condoning preachers who manipulate and control others for their own agenda and not that of Christ is not a sin, and as I recall Paul told those following him to follow him as he followed Christ, and the flip side to that equation is that Paul was saying that if he did not follow Christ, by all means...don't follow him. Jesus reprimanded the Pharisees and religious leaders of his time, is Jesus lost?



Abandoning all standards is not a problem????


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Abandoning 'standards' that are not Biblical or essential to salvation is not a sin. As I recall Jesus healed on the Sabboth, forgave sins, and did things contrary to religious beliefs/rules/laws of his time, is Jesus lost?



Lying on the AS is not a problem??????????


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Lying is a sin...this is a problem.



The ONLY thing I know that some feel that would cause an Apostolic to be lost is to keep outward standards???????????

WHAT SAY YOU???????????????????????????????

I say, "This is a ridiculous thread and beneath a man of God to pursue". Since you asked my opinion






:preach

That was delicious!!!!:donuts

MY MY MY!!!!!!!!




I did not start this thread!!!!!!! I loVE IT!!!!

YOU ARE
:welcome2
To START THREADS LIKE THIS STEVE!!!

Don't hold your breath on that one . . . it's easy to post one-liners and leave. Pointing out examples would actually include thought and reason.

:donuts

Now that is a substantive opposing view. Isn't is interesting how we all process information differently. Good response.

What would a Jesus Name Pentecostal have to do to become lost????

Fellowshipping Trinitarians is not a problem?
Depends on what's meant by "fellowshipping." I don't believe we can't have friends or be friendly to them without constantly bashing them with the Louisville Slugger of Godhead.
FACT: I've seen people laude the great benefits of having some popular false doctrine personality preach at their meeting / Church. Jesus NEVER put up Baal worshipers to preach to the righteous.

Being a pervert(gay) is not a problem???
Where'd you get a silly idea like that? Homosexuality is a sin. As is lying, adultery, murder, etc.
FACT: I've seen people on forums - this one included - staunchly defend the perversion of homosexuality under the guise of "You can't just tell them it's wrong. They love God as much as you do" and, yes, I've seen it said on forums that they might be saved if they are living all they know.

Not going to church is not a problem????
You should go to a local church. You should get as involved in a local church as you can. While it won't save you, it will help your walk with God to be around people of like faith. Just don't spend so much time at the church that you forget to evangelize outside of it.
FACT: This was a GOOD reply. However, it's truth that there are those on this forum who think they are saved and pure in the eyes of God who (a) go nowhere to Church and (b) have no Pastor. Plenty of justification for that in their eyes. It just seems contrary to scriptures that tell us to gather together more oft, etc.

Hating preachers is not a problem??????
I don't ~hate~ the preachers . . . I just hate their sins.
FACT: You have to be on another planet if you haven't seen people here who resent and detest the ministry. A hireling would be more to their liking as they would take orders from a pew and not preach biblical absolutes.

Abandoning all standards is not a problem????
If you mean abandoning non-Biblical, mostly personal standards that most can't seem to agree on anyway (tv, sleeve length, dress shirt colors, rings, watches, jewelry, makeup, pants, etc) . . . no problem. If you mean Biblical standards, then no.
FACT: Yea and verily, have we not seen those who hail as heroes those 'cutting edge' ministries that generally just 'cut' ties with all standards? Granted some get extreme in their perception of right and wrong but the Bible DOES have some guidelines. He's sovereign and that means He makes the rules... not carnal Saints or weak kneed Pastors.

Lying on the AS is not a problem??????????
The only one's who could be lying on the AS would be ~PREACHERS!~ I'm not a licensed minister, so this doesn't relate to me, nor probably over half of the others here on AFF.
FACT: "If I sign this it says I still believe what they preach. I don't. I'll sign it anyway!" LIARS.

The ONLY thing I know that some feel that would cause an Apostolic to be lost is to keep outward standards???????????
Again, where'd you get a silly idea like that? That's about the dumbest statement I've read on here.
FACT: If you don't believe this just take a stand on any subject. Any subject doing with standards. Come on, now, say you don't believe you can be saved without certain stardards of life. You will be branded a lot of things but, generally, the first one will be a 'judge' and that is usually followed by the whole bile filled pablum of "What gives you a right to judge!" Nevermind that whole 'knowing them by their fruits' stuff. God had an 'off day' when He told them to put that one in the Bible.

Sorry, I'm with Epley on this one. Some can't be lost according to their own perverted human reasoning.

:coffee2

Depends on the Trinitarians in question.

Never mind that the Bible says that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Never mind that the Bible says to forsake not the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of some is.


Never mind that Jesus equated hate with murder.

Well, the man-made ones anyway.

Any kind of lying is an abomination.

When the "outward standards" are being kept because one believes they are salvational, when one judges a person's salvation by whether or not they keep these "outward standards" (meaning the man-made standards, only some of which have some loose association with scripture), then one would be lost because one is engaging in legalism (salvation by works).

I think it is funny that Epley keeps starting these types of threads. Who is lost and what made them lost, etc. Everything anyone says on here is basically their own opinion. Some have scripture to back it up, some contort scripture to back it up. Either way, this thread is to try and identify who is lost and condeming people Epley thinks is lost.

Jesus came to the earth so the sinners will repent not the righteous. I nor any of you are a judge in this matter. I will continue to defened my point of view as will others, but do not forget none of us has the power to put anyone in heaven or hell. Even Epley should agree that point. There is no problem calling sin sin, but back it up with scripture in context.

Just food for thought

We have a dozen threads on standards and how they are needing to be thrown out and you now question one response to the overkill?

Good Post

I am not questioning ONE response. Overkill??? Epley is on overkill here. I am saying you can live like a dog and live a sinful life. That can not be done and be right with God. The fact is that there are man-made standards made out of ma-made opinions. That is what I am talking about. People on here will throw others into hell because their fellowship with trinitarians and such. As long as the message does not change then that is the BIG deal in the BIG picture.

Trinitarians preach the same message as oneness people do. The main difference is what our response is to that Message. They pray a simple prayer and are once saved and always saved. Oneness preaches Acts 2:38. There is a difference here and that is the main difference. Why pick apart people that fellowship with you and trinitarians as if it is us four and no more?