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Jermyn Davidson 03-22-2010 11:31 PM

Obama's Anti- Fed Funded Abortion Executive Order
 
Executive Order ensuring enforcement and implementation of abortion restrictions in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” (approved March ....__, 2010), I hereby order as follows:

Section 1. Policy.



Following the recent passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“the Act”), it is necessary to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment. The purpose of this Executive Order is to establish a comprehensive, government-wide set of policies and procedures to achieve this goal and to make certain that all relevant actors—Federal officials, state officials (including insurance regulators) and health care providers—are aware of their responsibilities, new and old.

The Act maintains current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly-created health insurance exchanges. Under the Act, longstanding Federal laws to protect conscience (such as the Church Amendment, 42 U.S.C. §300a-7, and the Weldon Amendment, Pub. L. No. 111-8, §508(d)(1) (2009)) remain intact and new protections prohibit discrimination against health care facilities and health care providers because of an unwillingness to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.

Numerous executive agencies have a role in ensuring that these restrictions are enforced, including the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and the Office of Personnel Management (OPM).

Section 2. Strict Compliance with Prohibitions on Abortion Funding in Health Insurance Exchanges. The Act specifically prohibits the use of tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments to pay for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) in the health insurance exchanges that will be operational in 2014. The Act also imposes strict payment and accounting requirements to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services in exchange plans (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) and requires state health insurance commissioners to ensure that exchange plan funds are segregated by insurance companies in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, OMB funds management circulars, and accounting guidance provided by the Government Accountability Office.

I hereby direct the Director of OMB and the Secretary of HHS to develop, within 180 days of the date of this Executive Order, a model set of segregation guidelines for state health insurance commissioners to use when determining whether exchange plans are complying with the Act’s segregation requirements, established in Section 1303 of the Act, for enrollees receiving Federal financial assistance. The guidelines shall also offer technical information that states should follow to conduct independent regular audits of insurance companies that participate in the health insurance exchanges. In developing these model guidelines, the Director of OMB and the Secretary of HHS shall consult with executive agencies and offices that have relevant expertise in accounting principles, including, but not limited to, the Department of the Treasury, and with the Government Accountability Office. Upon completion of those model guidelines, the Secretary of HHS should promptly initiate a rulemaking to issue regulations, which will have the force of law, to interpret the Act’s segregation requirements, and shall provide guidance to state health insurance commissioners on how to comply with the model guidelines.




Section 3. Community Health Center Program.

The Act establishes a new Community Health Center (CHC) Fund within HHS, which provides additional Federal funds for the community health center program. Existing law prohibits these centers from using federal funds to provide abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), as a result of both the Hyde Amendment and longstanding regulations containing the Hyde language. Under the Act, the Hyde language shall apply to the authorization and appropriations of funds for Community Health Centers under section 10503 and all other relevant provisions. I hereby direct the Secretary of HHS to ensure that program administrators and recipients of Federal funds are aware of and comply with the limitations on abortion services imposed on CHCs by existing law. Such actions should include, but are not limited to, updating Grant Policy Statements that accompany CHC grants and issuing new interpretive rules.

Section 4. General Provisions.

(a) Nothing in this Executive Order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) authority granted by law or presidential directive to an agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This Executive Order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This Executive Order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.

Jermyn Davidson 03-22-2010 11:32 PM

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So does anyone still consider our President to be a baby-killer?

oletime 03-23-2010 05:07 AM

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Yes ,and also a democracy killer !

deacon blues 03-23-2010 05:43 AM

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This Executive Order is simply political cover for Bart Stupak and the congressmen who are anti-abortion Democrats. I would bet the farm that these men represent strong Catholic constituencies. This EO gives them rationalizations for voting yes to the HC bill.

The problem is that an EO cannot override the law of the land. So it is basically meaningless.

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 07:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 890590)
Executive Order ensuring enforcement and implementation of abortion restrictions in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” (approved March ....__, 2010), I hereby order as follows:

Section 1. Policy.



Following the recent passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“the Act”), it is necessary to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment. The purpose of this Executive Order is to establish a comprehensive, government-wide set of policies and procedures to achieve this goal and to make certain that all relevant actors—Federal officials, state officials (including insurance regulators) and health care providers—are aware of their responsibilities,
new and old.

The courts have interpreted Roe v. Wade as a statutory mandate that the government MUST provide federal funding for abortion through federal programing. No executive order can override a statutory mandate unless Congress itself passes a law prohibiting federal funding for abortion.

The Executive Order is not a rule of law. It is only one man's rule that can also be repealed by one man - the President of the United States.



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(c) This Executive Order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.
Sounds like a big repeal on it's way to me!

:thumbsup

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 08:03 AM

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Let's not forget how Obama handled the "Mexico City policy" - overturned - repealed!

Quote:

Obama repeals abortion aid rule
January 24, 2009


Stepping quickly into an abortion debate he largely avoided as a candidate, President Obama on Friday overturned a controversial ban on U.S. support to international aid groups that provide abortion services around the world.

President Reagan instituted the rule, also known as the "Mexico City policy," in 1984, stating that the U.S. government would not contribute to groups that "perform or actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations."

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan.../na-abortion24

crakjak 03-23-2010 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 890591)
So does anyone still consider our President to be a baby-killer?

That was done just to get the health care bill passed, nothing more. This could actually be rescinded the month after, or by any future President.

The bulk of the order is the Hyde amendment not BO's words at all.

No assurance at all that it will stand.

n david 03-23-2010 09:17 AM

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Executive Orders are useful only as toilet paper. They're worth less than the paper written on. They can be rescended at a whim. It's not law. It has no teeth. It's merely a Presidential memo.

These House Dems are stupid if they think they did their due diligence in protecting the unborn and keeping federal funds from being used on abortions.

Ferd 03-23-2010 12:45 PM

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E.O.'s do not trump LAWs.

this is further proof that Barak Obama will tell what ever lie he needs to, to get what he wants.

Dude has a long and storied history as a baby killer.

Jermyn Davidson 03-23-2010 04:00 PM

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It was an EO that sent my buddies and I to Iraq.


Sure the EO can be overturned, but why would that happen?

Why would President Obama put this out and then take it back? He wouldn't.

Say he's a one-term President, what Republican is liberal enough to reverse this EO?


Again, Conservatives simply do not realize the moral victory won here.
They certainly will not ascribe any kind of morality to a Democrat President-- a President who has stuck his neck out, put his own name on the line, to ensure that abortions are not funded with Federal monies.

President Obama has a Conservative streak, but many are too blinded to see it.

Sam 03-23-2010 04:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 890942)
It was an EO that sent my buddies and I to Iraq.


Sure the EO can be overturned, but why would that happen?

Why would President Obama put this out and then take it back? He wouldn't.

Say he's a one-term President, what Republican is liberal enough to reverse this EO?


Again, Conservatives simply do not realize the moral victory won here.
They certainly will not ascribe any kind of morality to a Democrat President-- a President who has stuck his neck out, put his own name on the line, to ensure that abortions are not funded with Federal monies.

President Obama has a Conservative streak, but many are too blinded to see it.

Face it, Jermyn, to those who don't like BHO, he could never do anything right or good.

Jermyn Davidson 03-23-2010 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 890942)
It was an EO that sent my buddies and I to Iraq.


Sure the EO can be overturned, but why would that happen?

Why would President Obama put this out and then take it back? He wouldn't.

Say he's a one-term President, what Republican is liberal enough to reverse this EO?


Again, Conservatives simply do not realize the moral victory won here.
They certainly will not ascribe any kind of morality to a Democrat President-- a President who has stuck his neck out, put his own name on the line, to ensure that abortions are not funded with Federal monies.

President Obama has a Conservative streak, but many are too blinded to see it.

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 890948)
Face it, Jermyn, to those who don't like BHO, he could never do anything right or good.


Unfortunately, it is very difficult to find purely objective people.

SOUNWORTHY 03-23-2010 05:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 890942)
It was an EO that sent my buddies and I to Iraq.


Sure the EO can be overturned, but why would that happen?

Why would President Obama put this out and then take it back? He wouldn't.

Say he's a one-term President, what Republican is liberal enough to reverse this EO?


Again, Conservatives simply do not realize the moral victory won here.
They certainly will not ascribe any kind of morality to a Democrat President-- a President who has stuck his neck out, put his own name on the line, to ensure that abortions are not funded with Federal monies.

President Obama has a Conservative streak, but many are too blinded to see it.

Time to wake up and smell the roses. The only Moral victory Obama could give us would be to take his cronies and leave Washington. He only did that to buy more votes.

Light 03-23-2010 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 890982)
Time to wake up and smell the roses. The only Moral victory Obama could give us would be to take his cronies and leave Washington. He only did that to buy more votes.


It would be nice if all Republicans and their cronies left Washington.

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 891041)

It would be nice if all Republicans and their cronies left Washington.

"In victory magnanimity, in defeat defiance." - Winston Churchill

How do we register our defiance given to us by the Constitution? - the ballot box in November. :thumbsup

Jermyn Davidson 03-23-2010 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 890982)
Time to wake up and smell the roses. The only Moral victory Obama could give us would be to take his cronies and leave Washington. He only did that to buy more votes.

Ok, but he did do it!

That Democrat that is supposedly so, so far to the left, put his name on the line to save the lives of potentially millions of unborn children.


President Obama is not a baby killer.

He did something definitive to demonstrate this.

SOUNWORTHY 03-23-2010 09:41 PM

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If Obama is so cotton pickin MORAL remember this?

Jan 23, 2009 ... President Obama struck down a rule Friday that prohibits US money from funding international family-planning clinics that promote abortion ... He may not be a baby killer but he stands back with an approving smile while others do it. He's a liberal's, liberal.

How's that cool-aid taste?

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 891049)
Ok, but he did do it!

That Democrat that is supposedly so, so far to the left, put his name on the line to save the lives of potentially millions of unborn children.


President Obama is not a baby killer.


He did something definitive to demonstrate this.

Quote:

Obama repeals abortion aid rule
January 24, 2009


Stepping quickly into an abortion debate he largely avoided as a candidate, President Obama on Friday overturned a controversial ban on U.S. support to international aid groups that provide abortion services around the world.

President Reagan instituted the rule, also known as the "Mexico City policy," in 1984, stating that the U.S. government would not contribute to groups that "perform or actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations."

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan.../na-abortion24
Notice the date that Obama repealed this policy. That's right! The beginning of his presidency!

But we get it - a welfare state cannot support that many people. In order to keep population control down to save us money - we need to abort them. Find out who is having the most kids and set up abortion clinics in those areas.

oletime 03-23-2010 09:43 PM

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Just for the record jd he was supposed to sign it, he hasnt, seems he is having second thoughts, no surprise .Total fraud and a liar if he doesnt ! But some of us suspected that from the get go.

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by oletime (Post 891060)
Just for the record jd he was supposed to sign it, he hasnt, seems he is having second thoughts, no surprise .Total fraud and a liar if he doesnt ! But some of us suspected that from the get go.

I just heard that he is signing it tomorrow.

Jermyn Davidson 03-23-2010 09:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 891057)
Notice the date that Obama repealed this policy. That's right! The beginning of his presidency!

But we get it - a welfare state cannot support that many people. In order to keep population control down to save us money - we need to abort them. Find out who is having the most kids and set up abortion clinics in those areas.



Nothing changes what he just did to save the lives of potentially millions of children.

Jermyn Davidson 03-23-2010 09:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 891055)
If Obama is so cotton pickin MORAL remember this?

Jan 23, 2009 ... President Obama struck down a rule Friday that prohibits US money from funding international family-planning clinics that promote abortion ... He may not be a baby killer but he stands back with an approving smile while others do it. He's a liberals, liberal.

How's that cool-aid taste?


I think it's grape flavored tonight. :)

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 891062)
Nothing changes what he just did to save the lives of potentially millions of children.

So, you are cool with his repeal of the Mexico City policy? BTW, it was established by Reagan and when Clinton took office he also repealed it. GWB put it back in place and now Obama repeals it. See how it works?

SOUNWORTHY 03-23-2010 09:49 PM

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Apparently Liberal's have something against babies being born.

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 891066)
Apparently Liberal's have something against babies being born.

Seems like that's the case.

Jermyn Davidson 03-23-2010 09:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 891065)
So, you are cool with his repeal of the Mexico City policy? BTW, it was established by Reagan and when Clinton took office he also repealed it. GWB put it back in place and now Obama repeals it. See how it works?

No I am not "cool" with his repeal of the Mexico City policy.

However, I am very cool with his EO.


Honestly, an EO carries A LOT of weight and the same folks attacking it's effectiveness now would be honoring this EO as a sign of moral strength had a Republican signed it.

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 891069)
No I am not "cool" with his repeal of the Mexico City policy.

However, I am very cool with his EO.


Honestly, an EO carries A LOT of weight and the same folks attacking it's effectiveness now would be honoring this EO as a sign of moral strength had a Republican signed it.

A Republican wouldn't have signed in this type of Healthcare bill. Love you man, but you don't appear to study too far outside of your perimeters.

This is a huge "Partisan" healthcare vote that affects this whole country. It's like stealing!

We had bi-partisan votes on the Medicare and Social Security votes, BUT not this one! Sneaky, dirty, rotten scoundrels! And I'm only being really polite. :D :toofunny

Jermyn Davidson 03-23-2010 10:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 891071)
A Republican wouldn't have signed in this type of Healthcare bill. Love you man, but you don't appear to study too far outside of your perimeters.

This is a huge "Partisan" healthcare vote that affects this whole country. It's like stealing!

We had bi-partisan votes on the Medicare and Social Security votes, BUT not this one! Sneaky, dirty, rotten scoundrels! And I'm only being really polite. :D :toofunny

We have to agree to disagree on the names you called those people who had the country's best interest at heart when they voted for Healthcare Reform.


It took courage to make that vote, especially with so much on the line.

Yet, that is exactly what they did, thinking nothing of their political future, they put their sights on the millions of Americans who will now be helped by this remarkable piece of legislation!

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 891074)
We have to agree to disagree on the names you called those people who had the country's best interest at heart when they voted for Healthcare Reform.


It took courage to make that vote, especially with so much on the line.

Yet, that is exactly what they did, thinking nothing of their political future, they put their sights on the millions of Americans who will now be helped by this remarkable piece of legislation!

Jerymn,
Please pay very close attention - being voted out of office is not the same thing or as big of a deal as when your party leaders refuse to stand behind you and refuse to give you support. You are a political sunk duck and they know how to sink you. There is a big difference between the two. Do you understand that part of political maneuvering? Threats from party leaders hold much more weight than the voters.

If you get voted out, they move you around and keep you under their wing. If they get rid of you, you are gone. Do you understand that part?

Don't think for one minute that arms were not twisted. We know that they were. Stupak is not that stupid. He just got played and he went along with it. He had no choice.

Jermyn Davidson 03-23-2010 10:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 891083)
Jerymn,
Please pay very close attention - being voted out of office is not the same thing or as big of a deal as when your party leaders refuse to stand behind you and refuse to give you support. You are a political sunk duck and they know how to sink you. There is a big difference between the two. Do you understand that part of political maneuvering? Threats from party leaders hold much more weight than the voters.

If you get voted out, they move you around and keep you under their wing. If they get rid of you, you are gone. Do you understand that part?

Don't think for one minute that arms were not twisted. We know that they were. Stupak is not that stupid. He just got played and he went along with it. He had no choice.



I understand what you are saying. In essence, the Democrats were bullied by Obama, Pelosi and Reid to vote for this legislation.

The Democrats who voted for the legislation, did so out of fear and self preservation.

I disagree with these sentiments.

I have to go now.

Take care and we can pick it up again soon.

Pressing-On 03-23-2010 10:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 891085)
I understand what you are saying. In essence, the Democrats were bullied by Obama, Pelosi and Reid to vote for this legislation.

The Democrats who voted for the legislation, did so out of fear and self preservation.

:thumbsup :thumbsup
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I disagree with these sentiments.

You were doing so well! What happened?!!!!! LOL


Quote:

I have to go now.

Take care and we can pick it up again soon.
LOL! Later!

Light 03-24-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 891066)
Apparently Liberal's have something against babies being born.

Apparently people who call them-self christian have no problem allowing (their stand against health care) thousands to die just because they can't buy Ins. because of preexisting conditions. They label them-self compassionate conservatives which is a farce.

Ferd 03-24-2010 05:14 PM

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Obama is a baby killer from way back.

Law passed by congress always trumps EOs.

Democrats love baby killing. they built a party on that platform.

NO. Republicans do not like it that people die because they cannot aford health insurance.

however, Republicans do realize that the governments solution will cause as many problems as it solves.

Republicans want to create law that empowers people. NOT law that robs people of their freedom and wealth.

A trip to the post office ought to convince anyone that the government cant do anything well.

Baron1710 03-24-2010 06:36 PM

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Just checked this out, there is no severability clause in the new health care bill. This is great news, if any portion of it is declared unconstitutional then the whole thing gets tossed.

Congress dropped the ball on that.

Light 03-24-2010 06:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 891293)
Obama is a baby killer from way back.



Please where is your proof that Obama has killed one single baby? If you can not produce one dead baby by the hands of Obama your statement is a bald face lie.
How many innocent babies did George Bush kill in Iraq?


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Democrats love baby killing. they built a party on that platform.
By your speech you are no different than those at this weeks tea party. You make a blanket statement that is a false hood yet you condemn others when they make one.

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NO. Republicans do not like it that people die because they cannot aford health insurance.
Evidently the Republican party doesn't give a hoot remember they were in charge of all three branches of government plus the Supreme court and they did nothing to stop the Ins. co vile practices.

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however, Republicans do realize that the governments solution will cause as many problems as it solves.

Republicans want to create law that empowers people. NOT law that robs people of their freedom and wealth.
Please what law did they pass that empowers the average working man?
Cutting taxes ? yeah that helped a lot, helped the average millionaire.

pelathais 03-24-2010 07:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 890591)
So does anyone still consider our President to be a baby-killer?

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Originally Posted by oletime (Post 890609)
Yes ,and also a democracy killer !

I do not at all agree with many of the policies of our President, however with regard to the "baby killer" tag being applied in regard to this piece of legislation and the accompanying Executive Order, I think it's best to a take a wait-and-see attitude.

Wait for him to actually kill a baby before we tar him with that.

There are so many complexities to how this whole thing will work out that the legislation itself may become moot soon enough.

pelathais 03-24-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 891310)
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Please where is your proof that Obama has killed one single baby? If you can not produce one dead baby by the hands of Obama your statement is a bald face lie.
How many innocent babies did George Bush kill in Iraq?



By your speech you are no different than those at this weeks tea party. You make a blanket statement that is a false hood yet you condemn others when they make one.

Evidently the Republican party doesn't give a hoot remember they were in charge of all three branches of government plus the Supreme court and they did nothing to stop the Ins. co vile practices.


Please what law did they pass that empowers the average working man?
Cutting taxes ? yeah that helped a lot, helped the average millionaire.

Now Light, you're almost being like those chanting "Baby-Killer!"

1) No one in America can be denied health care based upon their ability to pay. That's been the law. There are severe penalties for doctors and hospitals who would ever dream of denying health care to someone in need.

2) The Insurance companies practiced standard business practices. At times those practices produced stress as a patient was confronted with the dilemma of finding coverage and all, however no one has ever been legally denied health care because they lacked insurance coverage or their inability to otherwise pay for treatment.

3) The Democrats controlled the House and Senate for almost all of the past 80 years. Never once until now did they ever present a bill restricting the practices you mention - pre-existing conditions, and etc.

4) Cutting taxes in 1981 under Ronald Reagan lead directly to longest period of economic expansion that has ever been witnessed in human history. Ever.

SOUNWORTHY 03-24-2010 08:05 PM

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Of course he isn't a baby killer but he may very well be an accessory after the fact as are those who voted for him.

SOUNWORTHY 03-24-2010 08:14 PM

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Please what law did they pass that empowers the average working man?
Cutting taxes ? yeah that helped a lot, helped the average millionaire.
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Light, like it or not it's the millionairs in our country that keeps many of us working. I don't hate Obama I pray for him daily. I pray for his and his family's protection but I also pray that he will be miserable and a failure in everything that doesn't please God. Did you do as much for President Bush? If not shame on you!

Light 03-24-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 891328)
Of course he isn't a baby killer but he may very well be an accessory after the fact as are those who voted for him.

How foolish can one get?
To use your analogy you are a baby killer because you voted for Bush. His false and uncalled for war cause the killing of thousands of unborn babies. .


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