When Are We Forgiven?
 

There was a statement made on another thread concerning when forgiveness takes place. So I thought I'd post the statement here and see the response.

Here's the statement that was made:

"Forgiveness does not take place at repentance. It happens at baptism:

Agree or disagree?

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Interesting question, I know what Apostolic doctrine teaches..... however When I was Catholic I was in church and I truly had repented of my my sins .It was an Easter morning service and I asked God to forgive me and I heard Him say I was forgiven. Several months later I heard about Baptism in Jesus name for the REMISSION of sins [ or the washing away of those sins ] ,and I was baptized . Was I forgiven When I heard I was forgiven or when I was baptized or both ? I think many sincere folks in all denominations may be forgiven . Some will be content with that and others will search for more and find the biblical truth of Remission of sins and be baptized . Ultimatly God is the judge of us all.

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Disagree

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With ? WHY?

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JMO -

Forgiveness happens at repentence;
Remission (washing away) of sins occurs at baptism.

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He asked if we agreed or disagreed with his question.

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I did understand and I am sorry I thought it was in reply to my post.

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This is how I was taught and believe.

Jesus paid the price for our sins already, so when we acknowledge we have sin in our lives by asking him to forgive us (repentence) we are forgiven.

From that moment forward you choose to turn from your sinful ways and live for Him. If we weren't forgiven at that point, what's the purpose of repenting?

Luke 24:46-49 (New International Reader's Version)
46 He told them, "This is what is written. The Christ will suffer. He will rise from the dead on the third day. 47 His followers will preach in his name. They will tell others to turn away from their sins and be forgiven. People from every nation will hear it, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You have seen these things with your own eyes.

49 "I am going to send you what my Father has promised. But for now, stay in the city. Stay there until you have received power from heaven."


And, yes, I believe you are then baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sin and take on His name. Then, the power from heaven (Holy Ghost) is received to help you live a life pleasing to God.

But this thread is about when are your sins forgiven.

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Highlighted: Great point. Renda, any chance you could turn this into a poll? I don't know how to do it.

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Luke 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Just wondering, if Jesus expects us to forgive upon being asked (repented), why would His requirements be more stringent? (Yeah, He's God. He can do whatever He wants! :lol)

Reminds me of what someone said the other day (I forget who or where): "I don't want to be more merciful than God." (Paraphrased, from memory.) :hmmm

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"Forgiveness doesn't take place at repentance." Agree or disagree?

Here's my answer:




It depends! :)

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In theory, if one can only be forgiven at baptism, would one have to be baptized every time one sinned? I'm afraid our town would run out of water on my account!:lol

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Would you then be inferring that you are saved at repentance?

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I believe it happens at repentance. But we still need to be baptized in obedience to Jesus' statement, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." :D

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Good point. Not saying you personally, but for anyone. Forgiveness at baptism only would empty and dry up the rivers and oceans.

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Agreed!

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It happens at repentance, and that does not change the importance or need for new believers to be immediately baptized.

NOW, there is no ability to check both. I suspect there are some (not me) that would like to do just that.

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Disagree with the statement.

Psalm 50:15; Psalm 86:5; Isaiah 53:11; Hosea 14:2; Joel 2:32; Matthew 20:28; Acts 2:21; Acts 13:39; Romans 10:13; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Galatians 1:4; Galatians 3:13; 1 Timothy 2:6; Titus 2:14; Hebrews 1:3, Hebrews 2:17, Hebrews 4:16; Hebrews 9:28; 1 Peter 2:24, 1 Peter 3:18; 1 John 2:2, 1 John 3:5, 1 John 4:10; Revelation 1:5.

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At repentance.

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Girl, stick with the question.

Are you forgiven at repentance or baptism?

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Would you then be inferring that you are saved at repentance?

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As you have said before, that's not what we are discussing here.....lol!

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This isn't the question. That's a whole 'nother topic.

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I can't participate in the poll unless someone answers my question.

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Are you inferring that you are saved at repentance?

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Are you inferring that you are saved at baptism?

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I am not.

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Sure you can - we aren't talking about when you are saved. We are talking about when you are forgiven.

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So you believe you are saved at repentance?

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:lol This discussion just went loony.

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I'm going to start you another thread. This thread is about when you are forgiven.

Not sure why you can't answer that.

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You don't need to start another thread. I've heard people tell me, including members of my own family, that you are saved when you repent. So, if you say you are forgiven when you repent, you would be saying you are saved.

So, my question stands - Are you inferring that you are saved when you ask for forgiveness/repent?

The Bible says Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

That tells me that you are not saved at repentance alone.

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So, since you are a 'three-stepper' (correct?), you don't believe your sins are forgiven until after you've repented, been baptized, and been filled with the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues)?

Usually even three steppers believe that you are forgiven at least at baptism, if not repentance.

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Why would I be saying that? (bolded)

And the question is are you forgiven when you repent? You either believe that you are or that you aren't forgiven until you are baptized. Going by your method of thinking if you believe you are forgiven at baptism, then you are saying you are saved at baptism.

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See - - this whole discussion is now about when are you saved. Needs to be another thread.

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Okay, hardhead......but are you FORGIVEN at repentance?

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Sounds like a 'yes or no' question to me. ;)

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It is - - it's not a trap.

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I guess I'd be considered a 3-stepper. I believe in the necessity of repentance, baptism and spirit infilling with evidence of speaking in tongues for salvation.

Forgiveness of sins is at repentance. Remission is at baptism. Salvation comes with the infilling of the HG.

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I don't believe you can be filled with the Holy Ghost unless you are a clean vessel - True repentance and baptism. I also do not believe you can make heaven without the Holy Ghost. (Romans 8:9)

The Bible says that you are saved by:

• believing on Jesus Christ - Acts 16:31
• calling on His name - Acts 2:21; Romans 10:13
• by His grace - Acts 15:11; Eph 2:5
• being justified by His blood - Romans 5:9
• reconciled by His death - Romans 5:9
• by hope - Romans 8:24
• that He was raised from the dead - Romans 10:9
• by faith - Eph 2:8
• by his mercy and by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost - Titus 3:5
• by baptism - Mark 16:16
  

And ultimately by the "love of truth" - II Thess 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

We are saved by believing, obeying and having a love of truth. The Gospel message encompasses a whole package. I believe it is erroneous to focus on one element - forgiveness only - concerning the faith and truth of Jesus Christ.