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Timmy 04-14-2010 12:37 PM

Is God a person?
 
Is God a person?

KWSS1976 04-14-2010 12:38 PM

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Timmy you have to much free time......lol

Timmy 04-14-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 898140)
Timmy you have to much free time......lol

I'm good at multitasking. Since I started this poll, I read War and Peace, and filed my income tax. :lol

KWSS1976 04-14-2010 12:52 PM

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I voted no

Falla39 04-14-2010 12:53 PM

Re: Is God a person?
 
John 4:24

"GOD IS a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth".

Like electricity (Power), a spirit must have a conduit/ vessel in which to manifest itself in and
through.

Falla39

Twisp 04-14-2010 01:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898139)
Is God a person?

I would like an option for "He can manifest Himself as a person".

From reading your other, recent polls, I suspect this is a trick question. lol
Although, I did answer correctly in your, "Did Jesus kill anyone?" poll, I think.

Timmy 04-14-2010 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 898159)
I would like an option for "He can manifest Himself as a person".

From reading your other, recent polls, I suspect this is a trick question. lol
Although, I did answer correctly in your, "Did Jesus kill anyone?" poll, I think.

:lol

I just started another poll, just for folks like you! :ursofunny

MissBrattified 04-14-2010 01:27 PM

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No, God is a spirit, but He can manifest Himself however He chooses. What He IS and how He appears to us aren't necessarily the same thing.

rgcraig 04-14-2010 01:34 PM

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He's been a bush and a donkey so he can be whatever he wants to be.

mizpeh 04-14-2010 01:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898139)
Is God a person?

Timmy, you are going to have to define the word, person. :smack

pelathais 04-14-2010 01:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 898146)
John 4:24

"GOD IS a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth".

Like electricity (Power), a spirit must have a conduit/ vessel in which to manifest itself in and
through.

Falla39

So, is electricity a person?

pelathais 04-14-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 898173)
He's been a bush and a donkey so he can be whatever he wants to be.

He wasn't really a "bush" nor a "donkey," technically. There was a "fire" in the bush that Moses saw and the fire did not consume the bush. That is why Moses turned aside to have a look.

The donkey spoke, apparently miraculously and complained of Balaam hitting him. Then the donkey pointed out the Angel of the Lord who was poised to strike them both down.

rgcraig 04-14-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 898180)
He wasn't really a "bush" nor a "donkey," technically. There was a "fire" in the bush that Moses saw and the fire did not consume the bush. That is why Moses turned aside to have a look.

The donkey spoke, apparently miraculously and complained of Balaam hitting him. Then the donkey pointed out the Angel of the Lord who was poised to strike them both down.

Well, technically that is correct. But, you know what I'm meaning - - stop reading what I post and read what I mean - - - :ursofunny

Falla39 04-14-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 898177)
So, is electricity a person?

No, Electricity is generated Power. You can't see it but like the wind, you can see how dangerous it is, if unharnessed.

No one could see God and live. Moses put on a veil. Jesus was the
veil between God and men. The Spirit of God (unharnessed) scared
the Israelites. Thunder, lightning, wind. God knew how to get Moses
attention and talk to Him. Moses was a prepared vessel.

Falla39

jfrog 04-14-2010 02:15 PM

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I think alot of people were reading person as "Human Person".

Falla39 04-14-2010 02:33 PM

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GOD, Spirit/Deity/Father was glorified in the Son (flesh/man).
The Word speaks of "when He comes to be glorified in his saints.
We are told to "...glorfy GOD in your body and in your spirit which
are God's. Where will the glory of God be seen!
We are not our own. We have been bought with a price.

Falla39

Timmy 04-14-2010 02:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 898176)
Timmy, you are going to have to define the word, person. :smack

You know. A person! :D

mfblume 04-14-2010 03:24 PM

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Hebrews 1:1-3 KJV God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Of course God is a "person".

G5287
ὑπόστασις
hupostasis
hoop-os'-tas-is
From a compound of G5259 and G2476; a setting under (support), that is, (figuratively) concretely essence, or abstractly assurance (objectively or subjectively): - confidence, confident, person, substance.

Dedicated Mind 04-14-2010 03:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 898251)
Hebrews 1:1-3 KJV God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Of course God is a "person".

G5287
ὑπόστασις
hupostasis
hoop-os'-tas-is
From a compound of G5259 and G2476; a setting under (support), that is, (figuratively) concretely essence, or abstractly assurance (objectively or subjectively): - confidence, confident, person, substance.

Is the person of God separate or distinct from the person of Christ?

Timmy 04-14-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 898251)
Hebrews 1:1-3 KJV God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Of course God is a "person".

G5287
ὑπόστασις
hupostasis
hoop-os'-tas-is
From a compound of G5259 and G2476; a setting under (support), that is, (figuratively) concretely essence, or abstractly assurance (objectively or subjectively): - confidence, confident, person, substance.

Thanks, Mike. :)

mfblume 04-14-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 898254)
Is the person of God separate or distinct from the person of Christ?

No. I thought we were oneness here. :)

Dedicated Mind 04-14-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 898256)
No. I thought we were oneness here. :)

just trying to understand your point of view in saying that God is a person. Most people are saying that He is not and saying, I think, that God is spirit and is manifested in the person of Christ. How is your view different from this?

Timmy 04-14-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 898256)
No. I thought we were oneness here. :)

37.4% are! :heeheehee

Timmy 04-14-2010 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898260)
37.4% are! :heeheehee

Or 33.33%, depending on which poll you use. :lol

Falla39 04-14-2010 04:13 PM

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Col. 2: 8 -10

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Timmy 04-14-2010 04:14 PM

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Are you going to vote, Sis Falla? :)

pelathais 04-14-2010 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 898256)
No. I thought we were oneness here. :)

But DM's question does raise some deep theological issues that have been debated for centuries.

Some Oneness folks state that Christ was essentially an "empty shell" of a human being and was "just a body" that God inhabited.

More careful Oneness scholars have developed what I think are better Christologies whereby we see the carpenter's son as a complete human person - body, soul and spirit; and that all the fullness of the Godhead was manifest in that complete person.

So technically, there may end up being two "Persons" under discussion within the Oneness theology, at least "two Persons" analogously.

Falla39 04-14-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898275)
Are you going to vote, Sis Falla? :)

Timmy, I'm not through dialoguing! I don't like to answer a matter before
I have heard it.:thumbsup

Falla39

Timmy 04-14-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 898311)
Timmy, I'm not through dialoguing! I don't like to answer a matter before
I have heard it.:thumbsup

Falla39

OK. We'll be patient. :winkgrin

Fiyahstarter 04-14-2010 06:00 PM

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:hmmm Hmmm.... well, this much I know. God is a noun. A personal one!

Timmy 04-14-2010 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 898317)
:hmmm Hmmm.... well, this much I know. God is a noun. A personal one!

Oooo, nice dodge! :ursofunny

DaveC519 04-14-2010 06:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 898251)
Hebrews 1:1-3 KJV God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Of course God is a "person".

G5287
ὑπόστασις
hupostasis
hoop-os'-tas-is
From a compound of G5259 and G2476; a setting under (support), that is, (figuratively) concretely essence, or abstractly assurance (objectively or subjectively): - confidence, confident, person, substance.

The KJV translators got it wrong on this one, though. Technically, the Greek word hypostasis, which person is translated from, originally meant "underlying substance". Only later in theology did hypostasis come to be understood as person.

That does not mean that God ISN'T a person. He's just not a human person. I think the term is valid beyond an anthropological context. We relate to God as we would relate to a person. He is a rational, moral being. :)

Timmy 04-14-2010 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveC519 (Post 898327)
The KJV translators got it wrong on this one, though. Technically, the Greek word hypostasis, which person is translated from, originally meant "underlying substance". Only later in theology did hypostasis come to be understood as person.

That does not mean that God ISN'T a person. He's just not a human person. I think the term is valid beyond an anthropological context. We relate to God as we would relate to a person. He is a rational, moral being. :)

Thanks for voting. The Oneness side needs all the help it can get! :lol

BeenThinkin 04-14-2010 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 898311)
Timmy, I'm not through dialoguing! I don't like to answer a matter before
I have heard it.:thumbsup

Falla39

Sis Falla39, you sure couldn't get elected to Washington with that kind of attitude! lol :ursofunny

BeenThinkin

Praxeas 04-14-2010 06:35 PM

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Animal, mineral, vegetable or person? I choose person. God is a He, not an It. God is a who. God thinks. God rationalizes. God is self aware. Angels are too. I conclude God, angels and man, who are all spiritual beings, are persons. They can personally relate to others.

Praxeas 04-14-2010 06:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveC519 (Post 898327)
The KJV translators got it wrong on this one, though. Technically, the Greek word hypostasis, which person is translated from, originally meant "underlying substance". Only later in theology did hypostasis come to be understood as person.

That does not mean that God ISN'T a person. He's just not a human person. I think the term is valid beyond an anthropological context. We relate to God as we would relate to a person. He is a rational, moral being. :)

There are only 2 words used to translate as Person in the KJV.

One is the above, the other is prosopon, which is the forerunner of the word Persona, which is where we get person from. In the greek though it often means presence. Has been translated face. The same word and it's Hebrew counterpart are used of God.

Job 13:8 Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?

Fiyahstarter 04-14-2010 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898318)
Oooo, nice dodge! :ursofunny

:whome

Praxeas 04-14-2010 06:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 898180)
He wasn't really a "bush" nor a "donkey," technically. There was a "fire" in the bush that Moses saw and the fire did not consume the bush. That is why Moses turned aside to have a look.

The donkey spoke, apparently miraculously and complained of Balaam hitting him. Then the donkey pointed out the Angel of the Lord who was poised to strike them both down.

Absolutely. God was not a bush or a donkey.

Praxeas 04-14-2010 06:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 898206)
No, Electricity is generated Power. You can't see it but like the wind, you can see how dangerous it is, if unharnessed.

No one could see God and live. Moses put on a veil. Jesus was the
veil between God and men. The Spirit of God (unharnessed) scared
the Israelites. Thunder, lightning, wind. God knew how to get Moses
attention and talk to Him. Moses was a prepared vessel.

Falla39

Jesus was not the veil. The veil hides. Jesus revealed

Praxeas 04-14-2010 06:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 898209)
I think alot of people were reading person as "Human Person".

And that is incorrect. The poll did not ask if God is a human person or a human being, but a person.

The funny thing is if that is the case then they must believe Trinitarians argue "There are three humans that are one God"


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