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notofworks 04-15-2010 11:05 AM

A Poll About Timmy's Polls
 
Would mind taking time to answer a poll question about Timmy's polls? I'd like to know how you feel about them?

KWSS1976 04-15-2010 11:09 AM

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I would like to see the poll to be able to answer the poll question

KWSS1976 04-15-2010 11:10 AM

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Now the poll shows up.....go figure

Timmy 04-15-2010 11:10 AM

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I'm scared to answer this one! :toofunny

Timmy 04-15-2010 11:11 AM

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OK. I mustered up all my courage and answered. :heeheehee

notofworks 04-15-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898685)
OK. I mustered up all my courage and answered. :heeheehee


Timmy, my poll about your polls has officially flopped, evidently. 4 posts from 3 people, 4 votes, and it's already almost off the first page (well, not after I post this). I'm thinking that people are either tired of you or tired of me. Should we take a poll to find out?:lol

Timmy 04-15-2010 02:07 PM

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:lol

NotforSale 04-15-2010 03:06 PM

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:slaphappy I'm calling the POLLICE!

Timmy 04-15-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 898863)
:slaphappy I'm calling the POLLICE!

:spit

mfblume 04-15-2010 04:13 PM

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Timmy's polls, as kind as he causes himself to come across, are for the destruction of faith in the Word of God and Jesus Christ as the bible portrays Him.

Yeah, I said it. :p

notofworks 04-15-2010 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 898950)
Timmy's polls, as kind as he causes himself to come across, are for the destruction of faith in the Word of God and Jesus Christ as the bible portrays Him.

Yeah, I said it. :p

Yeah!!!! How dare anyone ask difficult, thought-provoking questions that cause us to more deeply reflect on what we believe!!!

Timmy 04-15-2010 04:31 PM

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I am about to cause myself to come across as kind. Watch. But first, a little workout is in order.

:statbike::bigweightlift::situps:

OK. Ready.

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 898950)
Timmy's polls, as kind as he causes himself to come across, are for the destruction of faith in the Word of God and Jesus Christ as the bible portrays Him.

Yeah, I said it. :p

Thank you, Mike, for your thoughtful analysis of my polls. Your input is always valuable and welcome. :friend :bouquet

MawMaw 04-15-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 898950)
Timmy's polls, as kind as he causes himself to come across, are for the destruction of faith in the Word of God and Jesus Christ as the bible portrays Him.

Yeah, I said it. :p

What??? Timmy's really not a Bible believing Christian?? He made all those polls to make fun of us Christians?? Tell me it's not so, Timmy?? :sad

Timmy 04-15-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lacey (Post 898963)
What??? Timmy's really not a Bible believing Christian?? He made all those polls to make fun of us Christians?? Tell me it's not so, Timmy?? :sad

Well, actually, according to Jesus (as quoted in John 13:35), I am one of His followers. :dunno

MawMaw 04-15-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898964)
Well, actually, according to Jesus (as quoted in John 13:35), I am one of His followers. :dunno

Love is all well and good and must be shown........but.......

Are you one of His followers? You seem confused.

Timmy 04-15-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lacey (Post 898966)
Love is all well and good and must be shown........but.......

Are you one of His followers? You seem confused.

You don't believe what Jesus said? :blink

MawMaw 04-15-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898974)
You don't believe what Jesus said? :blink

Yes, of course!

You are the one who just didn't seem to know for sure by the shrug? Does it surprise you somehow?

Timmy 04-15-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lacey (Post 898981)
Yes, of course!

You are the one who just didn't seem to know for sure by the shrug? Does it surprise you somehow?

Oh. That. Well, yeah, I have to admit it is an odd thing for Jesus to say. At least, if He really did believe that His followers had to do more than just love each other. Which, I have to admit, it seems like He does, from some of His other teachings. And unless He really didn't think any people would have love for each other other than His followers. :dunno (Oops! I shrugged again! :lol)

MawMaw 04-15-2010 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898994)
Oh. That. Well, yeah, I have to admit it is an odd thing for Jesus to say. At least, if He really did believe that His followers had to do more than just love each other. Which, I have to admit, it seems like He does, from some of His other teachings. And unless He really didn't think any people would have love for each other other than His followers. :dunno (Oops! I shrugged again! :lol)

:hmmm

Jason B 04-15-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 898679)
Would mind taking time to answer a poll question about Timmy's polls? I'd like to know how you feel about them?

I'd like to know how you feel about Timmy. I think you've got a man crush on him. Timmy, Timmy, Timmy:ursofunny

Fiyahstarter 04-15-2010 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 898951)
Yeah!!!! How dare anyone ask difficult, thought-provoking questions that cause us to more deeply reflect on what we believe!!!

Sometimes, it can be a fine line between thought-provoking questions and mocking.

But we all love Timmy... after all, he is looking our way!

Timmy 04-15-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 899113)
I'd like to know how you feel about Timmy. I think you've got a man crush on him. Timmy, Timmy, Timmy:ursofunny

Doesn't everybody? :ursofunny

notofworks 04-15-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 899113)
I'd like to know how you feel about Timmy. I think you've got a man crush on him. Timmy, Timmy, Timmy:ursofunny


Please don't tell anyone. :praying

mfblume 04-16-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898961)
I am about to cause myself to come across as kind. Watch. But first, a little workout is in order.

:statbike::bigweightlift::situps:

OK. Ready.



Thank you, Mike, for your thoughtful analysis of my polls. Your input is always valuable and welcome. :friend :bouquet

You are kindly welcome! :)

mfblume 04-16-2010 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 898951)
Yeah!!!! How dare anyone ask difficult, thought-provoking questions that cause us to more deeply reflect on what we believe!!!

Nothing wrong with hard questions, but when done intentionally to destroy others' faith, then go figure. :) I have believers ask me hard questions all the time, in hopes to believe and intentions to draw closer to the Lord. But others will ask hard questions with no such intentions. You do not think Timmy is posing these questions with the intention of proving to others that the biblical Jesus is bunk as much as he personally feels Jesus is?

If I knew Timmy was coming to visit, I would bake him a cake and slap his back and have a good time. I like him. But intentions are intentions.

Personally I think some other folks enjoy standing up for anything the average believer is against for the sake of spite more than anything else. I also think some other folks inwardly KNOW very well that some people have an agenda to promote unbelief, but they erringly and mistakenly overlook that in a sincere desire to see such folks change by sheer virtue of their kindness, making the mistake of condoning damaging actions, while actually enjoying spitefully hitting out at others.

:D

I'll send my bill in the mail. :thumbsup

notofworks 04-16-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 899361)
Nothing wrong with hard questions, but when done intentionally to destroy others' faith, then go figure. :) I have believers ask me hard questions all the time, in hopes to believe and intentions to draw closer to the Lord. But others will ask hard questions with no such intentions. You do not think Timmy is posing these questions with the intention of proving to others that the biblical Jesus is bunk as much as he personally feels Jesus is?

If I knew Timmy was coming to visit, I would bake him a cake and slap his back and have a good time. I like him. But intentions are intentions.

Personally I think some other folks enjoy standing up for anything the average believer is against for the sake of spite more than anything else. I also think some other folks inwardly KNOW very well that some people have an agenda to promote unbelief, but they erringly and mistakenly overlook that in a sincere desire to see such folks change by sheer virtue of their kindness, making the mistake of condoning damaging actions, while actually enjoying spitefully hitting out at others.

:D

I'll send my bill in the mail. :thumbsup


I'm not concerned about his intentions. What were Paul's intentions on the road to Damascus?

If God is all that we say he is, I'm sure he can stand the test of Timmy! And if he does negatively effect people of faith? Well, maybe their faith and repentance wasn't real, kinda like you described in the "cross" thread!:)

mfblume 04-16-2010 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 899368)
I'm not concerned about his intentions. What were Paul's intentions on the road to Damascus?

Apples and oranges. Would you have condoned Paul's journey and its purpose on the road to Damascus, and pat his little blessed pea-picking hearts' back? "Keep on killing Christians, Saul."

God loves sinners, and true believers do as well, but not at the cost of condoning sinful intentions.

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If God is all that we say he is, I'm sure he can stand the test of Timmy! And if he does negatively effect people of faith? Well, maybe their faith and repentance wasn't real, kinda like you described in the "cross" thread!:)
Well, God does allow the devil to affect us. But I would never condone the devil's actions (and I am not comparing anyone to the devil). Just bringing out the principle of the thing.

notofworks 04-16-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 899390)
Apples and oranges. Would you have condoned Paul's journey and its purpose on the road to Damascus, and pat his little blessed pea-picking hearts' back? "Keep on killing Christians, Saul."

••No, Apples and apples. Who said anything about condoning the journey? "Intent" was the issue and that's what I was talking about. So Timmy just might be hanging around AFF to prod people to his side of the fence. And what if God is using AFF to keep Timmy close so that one day his faith is renewed? If so, I'll be glad that people like and you and Prax, who'd rather see him gone, didn't win.

God loves sinners, and true believers do as well, but not at the cost of condoning sinful intentions.

••God uses bad intentions all the time. He used Saul's. He used Joseph's brother's. He used Nebuchadnezzar's. He used Herod's. The list can get long. How many times have guys gone to church looking for girls (or vice versa) and ended up being ravaged by grace?

Well, God does allow the devil to affect us. But I would never condone the devil's actions (and I am not comparing anyone to the devil).

••I think you did, actually.

Just bringing out the principle of the thing.

••And it's the principle of the thing I'm talking about. Would Timmy like for me to "see the light" and agree with his view of things? Maybe. Probably? I can't speak for him. Would I like for Timmy to rediscover his faith? In his old pentecostal faith, no, but faith in Christ? Certainly. But all I'm doing is being his friend, and I'm not his friend strategically, I'm just a friend.

NotforSale 04-16-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 899361)
Nothing wrong with hard questions, but when done intentionally to destroy others' faith, then go figure. :) I have believers ask me hard questions all the time, in hopes to believe and intentions to draw closer to the Lord. But others will ask hard questions with no such intentions. You do not think Timmy is posing these questions with the intention of proving to others that the biblical Jesus is bunk as much as he personally feels Jesus is?

If I knew Timmy was coming to visit, I would bake him a cake and slap his back and have a good time. I like him. But intentions are intentions.

Personally I think some other folks enjoy standing up for anything the average believer is against for the sake of spite more than anything else. I also think some other folks inwardly KNOW very well that some people have an agenda to promote unbelief, but they erringly and mistakenly overlook that in a sincere desire to see such folks change by sheer virtue of their kindness, making the mistake of condoning damaging actions, while actually enjoying spitefully hitting out at others.

:D

I'll send my bill in the mail. :thumbsup

Destroying other's Faith? I consider this statement strange, and maybe misapplied. It (The statement) appears to be the escape route of those who lose the debate. In other words, casting blame upon those who have ideas that prove to be right and convincing to the point people change their views.

If my Religion or Idea about God is solid and true, no one should be able to shake or destroy my Faith. If what we have is shaken or proven false, Faith is not destroyed, Faith is renewed and sustained.

Weakness of mind is a mind that can, and will be, manipulated by bogus philosophy. And, a mind is weak that won't venture into the unknown of learning. Church keeps people "At Bay", fearful of the deep waters of Truth.

Religion is afraid of you and I becoming educated with the Facts, because Knowledge is power and unlocks the door of lies.

As far as your last statement, a big, HUH?? :p

mfblume 04-16-2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 899399)
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Apples and oranges. Would you have condoned Paul's journey and its purpose on the road to Damascus, and pat his little blessed pea-picking hearts' back? "Keep on killing Christians, Saul."
••No, Apples and apples. Who said anything about condoning the journey?

You did. lol

You condoned Timmy's polls saying people can handle it. His intentions were to damage faith in the Bible. You simply condoned his polls. You said intentions do not matter. You then raised Paul's journey to Damascus, saying, "What were Paul's intentions on the road to Damascus? " as though to imply intentions did not matter, just that Paul got saved. I used that to show my point that condoning the polls is like condoning Paul's journey to Damascus, whether Paul got saved or not.

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"Intent" was the issue and that's what I was talking about. So Timmy just might be hanging around AFF to prod people to his side of the fence. And what if God is using AFF to keep Timmy close so that one day his faith is renewed? If so, I'll be glad that people like and you and Prax, who'd rather see him gone, didn't win.
No one wants to see Timmy gone. It's just practically everything said has an angle to damage people's faith. The polls are likewise engineered to bring damage to the faith. I think Timmy would admit that.

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God loves sinners, and true believers do as well, but not at the cost of condoning sinful intentions.
••God uses bad intentions all the time. He used Saul's. He used Joseph's brother's. He used Nebuchadnezzar's. He used Herod's. The list can get long. How many times have guys gone to church looking for girls (or vice versa) and ended up being ravaged by grace?
LOL. But He does not condone their intentions. That was my point.

No one invites young men to come to church so they can look for girls, whether they do that and get saved, anyway.

"Timmy: you keep on seeking to damage faith in Jesus and the Bible, and we're going to just believe that God will reach you. But keep on seeking to damage faith." Please, brother.

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Well, God does allow the devil to affect us. But I would never condone the devil's actions (and I am not comparing anyone to the devil).
••I think you did, actually.
Of course, if you do not believe my explanations.

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Just bringing out the principle of the thing.
••And it's the principle of the thing I'm talking about. Would Timmy like for me to "see the light" and agree with his view of things? Maybe. Probably? I can't speak for him. Would I like for Timmy to rediscover his faith? In his old pentecostal faith, no, but faith in Christ? Certainly. But all I'm doing is being his friend, and I'm not his friend strategically, I'm just a friend.
I personally think some folks condone a person's desire to damage faith due to not seriously considering that desire since one's concern is more about the sheer enjoyment one gets from watching others disagree whom he theologically disagrees with, thereby missing the damaging activity that goes on with people who may never even post. Again, IMHO. :D

My thoughts, anyway.

mfblume 04-16-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 899413)
Destroying other's Faith? I consider this statement strange, and maybe misapplied. It (The statement) appears to be the escape route of those who lose the debate. In other words, casting blame upon those who have ideas that prove to be right and convincing to the point people change their views.

Brother, lol, plainly Timmy disagrees with the Bible overall. His posts and polls are intended to spread that disagreement. It has nothing to do with losing a debate. lol. For one, I have debated hundreds of times and enjoy it. But this is something totally different, I think. And no one has to agree with me in that. ;)

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If my Religion or Idea about God is solid and true, no one should be able to shake or destroy my Faith.
I agree. But there are always weaker in the faith believers who are susceptible to serious damage. As far as I personally am concerned, Timmy can propose his unbelief til the cows come home. But to condone his efforts is something else.

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If what we have is shaken or proven false, Faith is not destroyed, Faith is renewed and sustained.
Agreed, but beside the point.

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Weakness of mind is a mind that can, and will be, manipulated by bogus philosophy.
Weakness of mind is not the issue when those of weaker faith, due to their state along the journey is as it is, are exposed.

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And, a mind is weak that won't venture into the unknown of learning. Church keeps people "At Bay", fearful of the deep waters of Truth.

Religion is afraid of you and I becoming educated with the Facts, because Knowledge is power and unlocks the door of lies.

As far as your last statement, a big, HUH?? :p
You missed the point, I think. I do not condone weak minds, but not everyone weak in faith is weak in mind. Also, Paul stated that if something would offend his WEAK "CONSCIENCED" brother, he would refrain. It's not a weak MIND, but weak CONSCIENCE due to spiritual immaturity which is always the case with new believers, btw. Sorry if you think new believers should not have weak consciences.


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