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Praxeas 04-15-2010 02:48 PM

Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Over the last few years I have seen our cable speed go up from 4 mbps to 20...and yet with few exceptions, it still seems like it's at 4. Some downloads take forever. Some downloads that I have done from the same servers are no faster now than they were then. What gives?

Is this just server traffic? If so where is the benefit of having more speed? It's like driving a Lamborghini on southern California..whats the point?

KWSS1976 04-15-2010 02:51 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Need DSL get off the cable you are acually sharing that connection speed with others in the hood.... get DSL and get the signal to your house only....

Twisp 04-15-2010 02:59 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 898832)
Need DSL get off the cable you are acually sharing that connection speed with others in the hood.... get DSL and get the signal to your house only....

That is not as big an issue as it was 5 years ago. Cable companies have upgraded their hardware enough to give a pretty good signal.

Downloading depends on who you are getting it from and how you are doing it. For instance, if you are downloading via peer to peer, you can have all the bandwidth in the world, but if you are getting it from just one seed and he has ratio set too low, it will take forever to download.

My cable has went up to 12-14mbps lately, and I can download a 700mb+ distro in under 15 minutes easily. It is a delicate balance between your bandwidth and the seeder.

Praxeas 04-15-2010 03:03 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 898832)
Need DSL get off the cable you are acually sharing that connection speed with others in the hood.... get DSL and get the signal to your house only....

Yet I my broadband test speed is always 20megs

Hoovie 04-15-2010 04:57 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
how do I test my DSL for speed??

I just got a new Netgear Rangemax WNDR3700 Dual Band Wireless-N Gigabit Router.

Made a huge dif on my speed.

Timmy 04-15-2010 05:01 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 898977)
how do I test my DSL for speed??

I just got a new Netgear Rangemax WNDR3700 Dual Band Wireless-N Gigabit Router.

Made a huge dif on my speed.

Get a stopwatch and a really good microscope, and count the bits as they go through the wire for one second. Oh. Wait. You said wireless. OK, get a really good video camera...

Hoovie 04-15-2010 05:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 898979)
Get a stopwatch and a really good microscope, and count the bits as they go through the wire for one second. Oh. Wait. You said wireless. OK, get a really good video camera...

LOL! I did say wireless. But I pretty much just use the four ports in the back for wired connections.

Timmy 04-15-2010 05:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 898982)
LOL! I did say wireless. But I pretty much just use the four ports in the back for wired connections.

Ah. Microscope, then.

But seriously, there are web sites that will measure your effective internet speed. E.g., www.speedtest.net.

Hoovie 04-15-2010 05:22 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
25 ms and 1 ms jitter and zero loss.

Oh, and my firewall did not like that test!

Timmy 04-15-2010 05:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 899000)
25 ms and 1 ms jitter and zero loss.

Oh, and my firewall did not like that test!

Hmm. Not sure what that means. Lemme start a poll to find out! :ursofunny

Praxeas 04-15-2010 06:26 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
choose the closest server
http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

Hoovie 04-15-2010 07:35 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 899027)
choose the closest server
http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

1.29Mbps download

.33 upload

Praxeas 04-15-2010 07:39 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 899078)
1.29Mbps download

.33 upload

You have DSL?

Hoovie 04-15-2010 07:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 899085)
You have DSL?

yes

jfrog 04-15-2010 07:55 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
well 20 is only about 4 times faster than 4.... Which is probably going to go unnoticed for the most part. I mean if a web page loads in .025 seconds instead of .1 seconds, are you really going to notice? Now on large downloads, you should notice about a 4x difference. This would be very noticeable. 1 minute instead of 4 mins. 30 mins instead of 2 hours. So if you aren't noticing near a 4x improvement on large downloads then its very possible that the servers you are downloading from don't upload at the full capacity of your download speed.

If you think about it for large sites that have many visitors then this actually makes quite a bit of sense. To be able to Max out 10 connections like yours, that server would have to have an upload speed 10 times your download speed. To max out 100 connections like yours it would have to have an upload speed of 100 times your download speed. Now I don't know about you but these are quickly climbing up to some massive speeds.

Hoovie 04-15-2010 08:10 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 899078)
1.29Mbps download

.33 upload

so is this fast or slow?

Praxeas 04-15-2010 08:19 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 899097)
well 20 is only about 4 times faster than 4.... Which is probably going to go unnoticed for the most part. I mean if a web page loads in .025 seconds instead of .1 seconds, are you really going to notice? Now on large downloads, you should notice about a 4x difference. This would be very noticeable. 1 minute instead of 4 mins. 30 mins instead of 2 hours. So if you aren't noticing near a 4x improvement on large downloads then its very possible that the servers you are downloading from don't upload at the full capacity of your download speed.

If you think about it for large sites that have many visitors then this actually makes quite a bit of sense. To be able to Max out 10 connections like yours, that server would have to have an upload speed 10 times your download speed. To max out 100 connections like yours it would have to have an upload speed of 100 times your download speed. Now I don't know about you but these are quickly climbing up to some massive speeds.

when it comes to downloads I go by rate, not time

Praxeas 04-15-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 899105)
so is this fast or slow?

pretty slow, not the slowest dsl though. You must have a low tier 1.5Mbs. That is what I had when I had DSL. It also depends on the equipment. For here Verizon charges the same price, if you change locations the same service will top out at 3

Margies3 04-15-2010 08:47 PM

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Download speed: 2.97 Mbps
Upload speed: 0.51 Mbps

Is that fast or slow? and how do I find out what it is SUPPOSED to be? I mean, don't I pay Embarq for a certain speed? if so, I'd like to know that I am really getting that speed.. Does that make sense?

Hoovie 04-15-2010 08:56 PM

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If this it slow, why is it blowing me away? The pages come up as fast as I can look and click.

Oh great! Now someone is gonna tell me it's my BRAIN that's slow!

Timmy 04-15-2010 08:57 PM

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It's your BRAIN that's slow.

:D

Twisp 04-15-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 899151)
If this it slow, why is it blowing me away? The pages come up as fast as I can look and click.

Oh great! Now someone is gonna tell me it's my BRAIN that's slow!

It seems fast because you are mainly surfing with it. Most pages don't require that much bandwidth to load. You would notice more of a difference if you were playing online games or downloading larger files.

WyoPastor 04-15-2010 09:46 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
When I was on the City Council here, we pushed through a fiber to the home project. So every home in town has fiber directly to the house.
My speed is 10.14 down
4.98 up

However I saw the biggest increase in speed when I bought a new iMac last month.

BeenThinkin 04-15-2010 10:30 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WyoPastor (Post 899196)
When I was on the City Council here, we pushed through a fiber to the home project. So every home in town has fiber directly to the house.
My speed is 10.14 down
4.98 up

However I saw the biggest increase in speed when I bought a new iMac last month.

:thumbsup Mac all the way! I believe it's the will of God! lol :ursofunny

BT

RandyWayne 04-15-2010 11:03 PM

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My download speed: 17.5 Mb/s
Upload: 3.33 Mb/s

Yes, the speed is good. BUT.... it it ONLY as good as the local server I am trying to access! I still download files where I am only getting them at one hundredth of what I am capable of because their servers are maxed out.

RandyWayne 04-15-2010 11:04 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WyoPastor (Post 899196)
When I was on the City Council here, we pushed through a fiber to the home project. So every home in town has fiber directly to the house.
My speed is 10.14 down
4.98 up

However I saw the biggest increase in speed when I bought a new iMac last month.

18 Hail Mary's in a dark closest outta forgive you for that.

WyoPastor 04-16-2010 06:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 899234)
18 Hail Mary's in a dark closest outta forgive you for that.

I've been out of the closet for a long time. I had my first Mac in 1988 - SE/20. I have 4 macs at home, including an old Mac Plus, and about 35 at work that I manage.

RandyWayne 04-16-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WyoPastor (Post 899293)
I've been out of the closet for a long time. I had my first Mac in 1988 - SE/20. I have 4 macs at home, including an old Mac Plus, and about 35 at work that I manage.

I manage about 80 Macbooks at work, several Mac Pro's and a Mac server so I am very familiar with them, and despite my constant ribbing, there ARE many things I like about them, but there are also things I really cannot stand as well.

pelathais 04-16-2010 08:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 898831)
Over the last few years I have seen our cable speed go up from 4 mbps to 20...and yet with few exceptions, it still seems like it's at 4. Some downloads take forever. Some downloads that I have done from the same servers are no faster now than they were then. What gives?

Is this just server traffic? If so where is the benefit of having more speed? It's like driving a Lamborghini on southern California..whats the point?

Who's your ISP?

I have Comcast and there was a point in time a couple of years ago that I was getting unreal download speeds in the 40's and 50's. Right now I'm back to 3.5 meg.

... Wait a minute... I think we were supposed to be getting the upgrade added on ... gonna call them today.

pelathais 04-16-2010 08:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 899326)
I manage about 80 Macbooks at work, several Mac Pro's and a Mac server so I am very familiar with them, and despite my constant ribbing, there ARE many things I like about them, but there are also things I really cannot stand as well.

Heh! You're a Mac sys admin? What a wienie. Ha! http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon10.gif

Do you wear "product" in your hair? Did your eyeglass frames cost more than your laptop?

RandyWayne 04-16-2010 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 899330)
Heh! You're a Mac sys admin? What a wienie. Ha! http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon10.gif

Do you wear "product" in your hair? Did your eyeglass frames cost more than your laptop?

We have ONE Mac server. Only ONE! LOL It is used for publishing podcasts and as an update server for all the other Macs. We have a half a dozen Windows servers that do the REAL work here.

WyoPastor 04-16-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 899441)
We have ONE Mac server. Only ONE! LOL It is used for publishing podcasts and as an update server for all the other Macs. We have a half a dozen Windows servers that do the REAL work here.

We have 3 XServes and (Thank God) no Windows servers.

pelathais 04-16-2010 11:19 AM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WyoPastor (Post 899196)
When I was on the City Council here, we pushed through a fiber to the home project. So every home in town has fiber directly to the house.
My speed is 10.14 down
4.98 up

However I saw the biggest increase in speed when I bought a new iMac last month.

Who is your ISP?

pelathais 04-16-2010 11:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WyoPastor (Post 899450)
We have 3 XServes and (Thank God) no Windows servers.

Once NT died out Windows servers have become increasingly reliable. No more reboot every day, or several times a day. In fact, most people don't even seem to remember those days.

I've never worked with xservers - that's the Mac OS Xserver, right? To be honest I've been thinking about a change of religion lately. There's a lot of stuff that I neeed to do on the fly that I know a Mac can handle without a bunch of fooling around.

Anybody remember Aldus? Those were the days. I was productive then.

RandyWayne 04-16-2010 11:31 AM

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Our Windows servers run continually without any issues. The only times they are rebooted is when MS pushes down updates, usually at 2 in the morning when no one cares anyways.

WyoPastor 04-16-2010 07:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 899464)
Who is your ISP?

It's a small local company called TCT West. They serve most of NW Wyoming and have been very proactive with fiber.
I have their bottom end service, but it's plenty for home use.

Praxeas 04-16-2010 07:16 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 899329)
Who's your ISP?

I have Comcast and there was a point in time a couple of years ago that I was getting unreal download speeds in the 40's and 50's. Right now I'm back to 3.5 meg.

... Wait a minute... I think we were supposed to be getting the upgrade added on ... gonna call them today.

TimeWarner here. They have to keep up with Verizon fios

WyoPastor 04-16-2010 07:17 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 899467)
Once NT died out Windows servers have become increasingly reliable. No more reboot every day, or several times a day. In fact, most people don't even seem to remember those days.

I've never worked with xservers - that's the Mac OS Xserver, right? To be honest I've been thinking about a change of religion lately. There's a lot of stuff that I neeed to do on the fly that I know a Mac can handle without a bunch of fooling around.

Anybody remember Aldus? Those were the days. I was productive then.

Yes, they are the Mac servers. One of the really nice things about, other than I may not even go in the server room for a couple weeks at a time, is how easy it is to keep a running backup.

And yes I remember Aldus Pagemaker.

MonoTheist 04-17-2010 11:26 PM

Re: Is Broadband Speed Just an Illusion?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 898831)
Over the last few years I have seen our cable speed go up from 4 mbps to 20...and yet with few exceptions, it still seems like it's at 4. Some downloads take forever. Some downloads that I have done from the same servers are no faster now than they were then. What gives?

Is this just server traffic? If so where is the benefit of having more speed? It's like driving a Lamborghini on southern California..whats the point?

Depends..are you sharing your internet with cable tv services in your home?..how many other computers are acessing the same service,how fast is your computer..yeah it may be new and fast at first but if you notice they do the service pak updates little by little and it makes it slower...these are some things to consider..

Praxeas 04-18-2010 01:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MonoTheist (Post 899999)
Depends..are you sharing your internet with cable tv services in your home?..how many other computers are acessing the same service,how fast is your computer..yeah it may be new and fast at first but if you notice they do the service pak updates little by little and it makes it slower...these are some things to consider..

No TV. Just mine. It's fast. I know how to monitor network traffic, So Im talking about times when Windows is not doing an update (or anything else)


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