Timmy's Religion
 

Timmy has such a big influence on this forum, I was curious to know what Timmy actually believes.

Do you believe in God?

Do you believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God?

Do you believe in the oneness of God?

Do you believe acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation?

Do you believe in speaking in tongues?

Are you a one stepper or three stepper?



I would like to ask these questions of KWS and not of works also.

Failure to respond to these questions means revoking my vote for Timmy as GS.

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What if we all had to take that same religious test?

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Take it Sam. I think an aff affirmation statement is in order.

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:ursofunny:ursofunny

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:razz

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:D

Just sayin'!

:lol

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How 'bout I answer by referring you to my news conference?

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...291#post769291

And my blog?

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=25404

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That's what I was going to say.

No offense to Tim-Tim, but even his soft manner and easy going style aren't catching on either.

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I read the whole news conference thread and I learned about your beliefs. I suspected you were agnostic and now I know for sure. What do you think about people who claim to speak in tongues by divine influence and not mimickry or fleshly babble? Have you ever asked God to fill you with His spirit as a proof of His existence?

We have all been given a measure of faith and I suspect you have enough faith to ask God to fill you with His spirit.

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I had forgotten all about you being agnostic until I clicked on your news conference link here then remembered that some pastor poster obviously descended from Albert Einstein started a thread not too long ago asking what we all thought about him saying he would put you on his church board then when we told him what we thought about that he got all hurt and offended and left! LOL!!!

My philosophy is "don't ask if you don't want people to tell you!!!"

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I didn't leave. I'm right here. I sent you three PM's that you never answered. I also spoke about it to another Admin, to which I never received an answer. Your statement above is very misrepresentative of the truth. I didn't leave and you know it.

I wasn't hurt, nor offended about your opinions concerning the board. I was hurt concerning your idiotic claims that I don't prepare for sermons and you took a cheap shot at me that I didn't deserve. You're able to call me "bizarre" (although you misspelled it) and "strange" and here in this post, "Einstein", and tell a complete untruth about me. Wonder if I could get away with that? :)

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I don't know how you are sending messages but I have never recieved a PM from you that I recall and I just checked to make sure I had not missed them and I don't see them. Of course I could just be brain dead tonight and have forgotten. What makes me think I never got them though is that I definitely would have responded. Always have except to a few sent by folks to all the Admins on an official matter and some other admin responded first.

Sorry I forgot it was you and indeed you are still around! I am glad you are. My thoughts about your sermon prep were entirely based on your own posts and you know it. You are correct I am a terrible speller.

I did find it strange that you asked peoples opinion on that thread were you put forth the idea of agnostic Timmy serving on your church board then didn't seem to like it when most of us thought you had lost your mind. (most were too polite to put it that bluntly).

You are probably the nicest guy in the world and sincere as all get out. I would probably enjoy meeting you in person and talking with you BUT yes I find some of the things you post both bizarre and strange, even if they are misspelled!

I am glad you are here and it is the diversity of posters that makes a forum interesting. I apologize for saying you had left. I had honestly forgotten it was your screen name that would like an agnostic on their church board and no longer spends hours during the week preparing for sermons but rather spends that time with people then prepares Sunday morning. :thumbsup

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I see I made the mix..lol I look at it like this I pay real close attention when I go to church and see if whats going on around me lines up with the bible....most of the time it does not...tongues,baptism,healings...etc,etc,etc...I mean come on I can understand having faith and all...But don't come to church and say I got my healing of cancer...then 6 months down the line the cancer comes back and you die from it...I think sometimes we have alittle to much faith and it comes around to bite us....I don't think the world was created with a bigbang.....I just think people have to much faith sometimes and it fails them....I am not saying there is not a God or Jesus his son. I mean we have proof of cities that exsisted in the bible days and these cities are in the bible...I am just of the opinion that God is not messing around with us anymore..I mean think about it...why would someone have so much faith that they state God healed them when he really did not...And we can go to the Pentecostal Experience thing that happened on that day...but then again thats one of those things that is happening in the church unlike it did in the bible..Come on think about it we have the bible to learn from right...Why fabricate new ways to "Get God to move" so to speak...Alot of times in the book things were done not for us to copy..It had it's reasons for happening right then and there and was not intened for repeating.....

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No disrespect towards you intended, but I have seen genuine miracles, and any time I saw them were instances after which I had to get as far away from this reasoning you portray as I can.

A lady in our church was requiring kidney surgery, and she was healed. She went to the doctor and was told her kidney is spontaneously regenerating itself, and kidneys do not HEAL. He could not explain it and she told him it was God. The doctor gave her a high-five.

We prayed for another sister in front of the congregation who had a large lump on her side that the physicians said they could not remove by operation. As we prayed it instantly disappeared.

We're seeing more and more this.

And again, I have to be as far away from your reasoning as I can get in order to see these things. There will always be forgeries and counterfeits of the true, but they do not mean real miracles are not occurring.

My thoughts, anyway.

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See MF as your Kidney description goes a kidney can heal itself depends on the severity and other peoples kidneys have so not taking nothing away from God but..it is possible for the kidney to heal..And as far as the lump on the side goes...again not taking anything away from God but I really thing it was operable I mean come on they do brain surgery so why would a lump on someones side not be able to be removed...And if it just disappearded that great..again it has alot ot do with what kind of lump it was..or even what it was...and was it on the side of a leg or upper body...then again not taking anything away from God but you cannot rule out other possibilities...

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Bro., these are words from the doctor. Her doctor was dealing with her about the surgery and arranged the surgery for her. After her healing he told her that the way they were healing is not possible. I am telling you the truth, bro! GOD IS REAL and so are miracles.

You will never see any if you maintain your sort of reasoning. The bible teaches we must not doubt when believing God for things like this.

It's like the woman who prayed the mountain be removed from alongside her home. She got up the next day and said, "I did not think it would be gone." lol Jesus said you can remove mountains so long as you pray, "doubting nothing." Believe the things we pray for shall come to pass. The bible is replete with this directive. And if you refuse to heed that directive, and do not see miracles, what can anyone say?

She was on blood thinners for her health condition, and they refused to do surgery.

No, the doctor confirmed the situation. She was examined beforehand and told details about it.

See? it's just this sort of reasoning that causes people to never see real miracles.

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I distinctly noted these two miracles since the situations were were confirmed by doctors and had previous explanations as to the state of the infirmity before the miracles occurred.

Another occasion had a call come to me from Newfoundland from a fellow minister while I was living in Dartmouth, NS, CANADA ministering. A man there said he had a call that folks that attended his church who were then in Antigonish, NS, needed a miracle. A sister lost a baby while giving birth and suffered severe toxemia and was being flown by helicopter to Halifax hospital as she was dying. He asked me to rush over and pray for her.

I arrived and the woman was hooked up to more medical gadgetry than I ever saw before. I arrived before the family did who were still on the road travelling up by car. The nurses told me her organs were shutting down and they had no neurological responses. Nothing was helping her. We prayed. The family arrived, and they were praying in tongues with doctors and nurses all around us. I laid hands on the woman and commanded the organs to resurrect and for her brain to function properly again. A nurse suddenly said her hand moved, and she rushed over to the woman and spoke in her ear telling her to move her hand again if she could hear her. She moved her hand again!

WOW!

I was amazed at how slim the woman actually was afterwards because while we prayed she was quite large. I was informed that it was due to all the fluid building up due to her Toxemia.

We were called in again the next day since she took a relapse and lost her sight. We commanded her vision to return in the name of the Lord. As we sat in the office next door, the doctor came in and reported that she has regained her vision.

I choose to give God glory for it all!

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I wasn't included in this, but I am usually lumped together with Timmy, so I thought I would chime in. Even though I claim to have settled into agnosticism since my apostolic exodus, though a true agnostic would probably take offense!

I guess I can't truly be called agnostic, because of the whole Jesus thing.

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Well, since you asked me to answer as well,....I'll answer in red with two ••'s.



••DedicatedMind, before you want to throw me off the forum, just remember that every time one of the right-wingers on the forum starts the Obama and Pelosi bashing, I'm the first one to come to their defense! You gotta like me for that!!:)

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Do you believe in speaking in tongues?
••As we know it? As being an unintelligible utterance that is mostly memorized repetitions? Probably not. Do I believe things could be said in one language that people could understand that didn't speak that language? Yes. I'm aware of instances like that. Do I believe in a "prayer language" or an "Utterance of exuberant worship"? I'm honestly not sure. Well, I'm sure it's not for me, but for others? I don't know. I lean toward, "No" because I don't see the benefit nor the productivity but I'm greatly aware of how much damage it can do. In our church, it's up to the individual, but it's not something that's practiced openly in our services. We have many every week that are "Unbelievers and/or uninformed" so to do so in their presence would be a violation of scripture.

I have to say I have NEVER heard of anyone memorizing tongues. This has to be a first I have ever heard anyone say this. I also, must say IMO this is a bunch of nonesense. JMO

You can't defend the Bible but you can defend two ungodly politicans?:pullhair

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seems to me that is exactly what you are trying to do.

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NOW is not in anyway shape or form an Apostolic....and does not belong on an Apostolic Forum.....and if this were truly an Apostolic Forum that would be enforced ....however this forum is beset by agnostics, at least one Muslim and a host of folks that have long ago fallen away....and dont even have the decency to admit it....and is hardly an Apostolic Forum.

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Well, it's very easy to extrapolate isolated statements and make them sound like what you want, which is what you did here. I absolutely defend the bible but I'm also honest about it and the research that's documented and available. I don't pretend to be an expert in the field, but I can read.

And of course, you, like so many others here, get messed up about my liberal politician defense. Listen, my dear, the reason I defend them is because the BIBLE, that book you think I don't defend, DEMANDS that we pray for them. I find it very hard to speak horribly about someone I'm praying for.

And they're ungodly? Would you care to name me a "Godly" republican president we've had in the 20th or 21st century?

Finally.....you've never heard of "memorized tongues"? Not sure what to even say about that one. So you're telling me that you've never heard a person "speak in tongues" and it sounded exactly the same every time, even when they gave a "message in tongues"? So when you heard a "message in tongues" that sounded exactly like everything else they said "in tongues" that didn't make any alarm bells go off?

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:lolI knew this would happen if I answered. I'll tell you what, deadeye, let's you and I have a "feeding the hungry", or "comfort the hurting", or "showing mercy to the fallen", or "loving the broken", "or visiting the prisoner", contest and see who wins!:heeheehee

When we're finished, we'll read Matthew 25 and see who's ready for judgment!:thumbsup

I love you, Deadeye.

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NOW said:
Do you believe in speaking in tongues?
••As we know it? As being an unintelligible utterance that is mostly memorized repetitions? Probably not. ...

Esther replied:
I have to say I have NEVER heard of anyone memorizing tongues. This has to be a first I have ever heard anyone say this. I also, must say IMO this is a bunch of nonesense. JMO


My comment: I have heard people pray in English, then pray a few words in "tongues" or in "their prayer language." The words in English were the same as I'd heard them say before and the words in tongues were the same as I'd heard them say before. Were the words in English and the words in tongues "memorized"? or did they just happen to be the same prayer they had prayed before?

Also, some preachers have a few words or a phrase they say "in tongues" every so often interspersed in their sermons, and if you hear them the following week or the following week, they still repeat the same words or phrase in tongues. Is that memorized?

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Yes, this is true, I've heard many people "praise" in english and it's the same thing over and over every time. I believe Jesus called that a "vain repetition." But nonetheless, my point would be that they say other things in English, but never anything else in tongues. Just the same thing every time.

I college classmate of mine would a certain teacher's "tongues" and it sounded identical (I hated it when he did that, by the way. I would NEVER be that disrespectful).

If someone prays the identical thing every time, in their native language, I would think they have a prayer problem. I've heard people, in "prayer time", for an hour, say, "Have your way Lord, have your way. Bless your name, Lord, bless your name. Glory to God, glory to God...." and so on. Is that really prayer? I find nothing in the bible like that.

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There is disagreement on this forum among us as to what the term "Apostolic" means. Seems like many of us have our opinion of what "Apostolic" means and anyone who doesn't agree with us isn't a REAL Apostolic.

My personal opinion of what "Apostolic" means is to believe the way that the men and women of the first century who were designated as apostles believed and practiced. So, if our beliefs are based on our understanding of what was believed, taught, and practiced by the first century Christians, then we are Apostolic.

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I am immediately reminded of N. Urshan's message at General Conference one year. He had a number of different people come up and testify as to what God had done in their lives.

One was a brother who had been involved in witchcraft and the occult. He had gone to Urshan's church to deliberately try and "hex" Bro. Urshan and ended up being delivered and saved.

Another was Bro. Urshan's daughter. She testified how that the cancer she was suffering from had "passed right through" her and that she was now miraculously healed.

The very next General Conference (the first one to be held in St. Louis), on the "General Superintendent's night," (just about 1 year later - to the very day) the G.S. wasn't able to be there because he was at the bedside of his daughter who was dying of cancer. The same daughter who had testified just one year earlier. Jesse Williams preached in his stead.

I'm not looking to fault anyone here. I knew Bro. Urshan, his daughter who passed away and her husband. All of them have shown me much kindness and it was with a very heavy heart that I received the news of her passing.

I am happy for everyone who is sick and gets better. However, I am mindful that this person (and myself included!) still have an appointment with death (Hebrews 9:27-28).

I have never witnessed a miracle of healing myself, even though I have had a cardiologist literally throw herself on me in joy over my own "miracle." Claims of the miraculous are exciting to hear, but that miracle only postpones the inevitable by a little bit. The greater miracle is the hope we have at the end.

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DM posted a series of questions for Timmy and then said, "I would like to ask these questions of KWS and not of works also."

I would like to volunteer my answers to the same questions.


Question 1: Do you believe in God?
Answer 1: Yes

Question 2: Do you believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God?
Answer 2: Yes

Question 3: Do you believe in the oneness of God?
Answer 3: This is not as easy to answer as the first two questions. The "oneness of God" means different things to different people on this forum. We don't even agree among ourselves what "oneness" is. I believe that God is an invisible Spirit who is everywhere at all times. I believe that God visited planet earth in the person of Jesus Christ to die for our sins. I believe that Jesus rose from the dead and is seated at the right hand of the Father. I believe that Jesus lives in me as the Holy Spirit. I believe that God dwells in me; Jesus dwells in me; the Holy Spirit dwells in me; and the Spirit of the Lord dwells in me; and that He does that as a single Spirit being who has united Himself with my spirit.

Question 4: Do you believe acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation?
Answer 4: No. I believe Acts 2:38 speaks of three separate experiences: salvation/conversion; water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ; an empowering experience called the Holy Ghost Baptism or the Promise of the Father.

Question 5: Do you believe in speaking in tongues?
Answer 5: Yes

Question 6: Are you a one stepper or three stepper?
Answer 6: In the way I understand the use of the terms "one stepper" and "three stepper" as used on this forum, I would consider myself to be a one stepper.

P.S. I consider myself to be "Apostolic"

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NOW, I am not on a witchhunt, I just wanted to know where you and several others stood on the issues I asked because I was being confused by some of the posts. I appreciate your input on the forum as well as Timmy and Michlow. KWS is another story, maybe its his avatar. Thanks for defending Obama and Pelosi, progressives have to stick together. God bless you NOW.

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And blessings to you, DM.

My spiritual road may be vastly different than many here, but my passion for the mission of Jesus Christ, I would hope, is obvious.

I like KWSS, who is relentless in his pursuit of the "tongues issue". A lot of people on the forum are dismissive of him, but I think he raises a great question (hundreds of times:lol) and never really gets a good answer. However, I asked for his address to send him a Christmas card and he refused, so I'm a little bitter about that!:lol

And for the record, I'm mostly conservative, although a weird one. I don't support gun rights, I love animal rights, and I can't stand Rush Limbaugh. But I believe in supporting and praying for our leaders, regardless of their political position!

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I just tell it like I see it...You guys can suger coat it all ya want to...lol
I have been told by my wife on many ocassions that I am to blunt..but you are only hurting yourself suger caoting things.....

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Who's sugar coating what, KWSS? This seems to be a rather frank discussion to me; but then again I am rather naive at times. Help me out...?

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Well pel I was refering to what N.O.W stated in his post above...It was mostly in response to the tongues thing...thats all

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I agree the greatest miracle is salvation. But God loves us so much that He does want to heal and give us miracles aside from salvation. And we need to believe Him for them. And He told us we have to believe doubting nothing, and to believe it shall occur after the easy part of praying is done.

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But what happens when you do all that praying and it does not happen healing or anything else for that matter...Do we have a biblical instance of someones prayers not getting answered....

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You didn't really ask me... and I know it's because you really don't care about my feelings and such; but anyhoo...

"Timmy has such a big influence on this forum, I was curious to know what Timmy actually believes.

Do you believe in God?

YES!

Do you believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God?

"Inspired?"

YES!

"Infallible?"

There are differing ways in which "infallibility" is expressed. There is, for example, the doctrine of Plenary Verbal Inspiration. This means literally: Full word-by-word inspiration. I don't hold to that.

Do you believe in the oneness of God?

YES! - - But again, there are differing views of "Oneness." My own is the "correct" view.

Do you believe acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation?

No. Acts 2:21 expresses the hope and instruction for individual salvation. Acts 2:38 encapsulates the rites of "initiation" into the new life and the empowerment available to sustain that life.

Do you believe in speaking in tongues?

I have never witnessed Acts 2:4-20 occurring at any time in my life nor have I ever experienced this, so "No" if "Acts 2:4" is what you're after. On the other hand, Paul mentions "unknown tongues" and "tongues of angels" in his letter to the Corinthians. I know of no way to substantiate just what that refers to - however I have had deep Spiritual encounters where I spoke "in an unknown tongue."

Are you a one stepper or three stepper?

Acts 2:21 again. One Stepper all the way. Jesus, and Jesus only saves us; and not we ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any should boast.

I would like to ask these questions of KWS and not of works also.

Failure to respond to these questions means revoking my vote for Timmy as GS."

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I do not believe that Matt 25 applies to the church at all....

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Do you believe in God?

yes

Do you believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God?

NO...Man wrote it and I really don't think it was God inspired....



Do you believe in the oneness of God?

YES!

Do you believe acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation?

No.

Do you believe in speaking in tongues?

NO... mainly cause it is not done as it was done in the bible...


Are you a one stepper or three stepper?

One Stepper.....After all it's would be kind of hard to sing Amazing Grace and be a 3 stepper cause Grace does not save you according to them...After all he died on the cross to save us of our sins...He did not die on the cross so we can jump through hoops and hurdels to be saved of our sins....