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So apparently they found a huge Car bomb in Times Square that failed to go off. It was smoking and flashing and this lead to the discovery of an SUV loaded up with explosives.

Now the Taliban are claiming responsibility. It's very clear we have lax security when it comes to our borders and who we allow into the nation, yet we aren't allowed to profile anyone, any race or any religion. Further we have Islamic members here already, that are turning to radicalism, but we can do little since it's wrong to profile.

Taliban claims responsibility
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/02...city-bombing/m

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They said they evacuated Times Square for 10 hours. That's unreal!! Can you imagine the devastation if that bomb had gone off?

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Yes, it would have been bad, probably mostly casualties more than structural damage

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Profiling is a great idea and the suggestion has merit.

From the NY Times:

...possible suspect in the failed Times Square car bombing, describing him as a white man in his 40s who was walking away from the area where the vehicle was parked, looking furtively over his shoulder and removing a layer of clothing.....

So "white dudes in their 40's" who might have a grievance against the gvt should immediately be rounded up (and just in my opinion cavity searched)

Prolly should start with the middle-aged tea<redacted> and work from there - LOL

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:lolLove it!!

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Actually, if they describe him as a white male about 40 then guess what? The police will be looking for a white male, about 40. Profiling, as I said in the politics thread, happens all the time.

But if they describe him as a middle eastern looking guy with a turban on his head, the ACLU would have a hissy fit if the police started looking around at men that had the same look

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Probably. But they didn't mention a turbine in the description SO I guess what the ACLU would do or not do at this point is probably speculative.

SO: Help me understand something. What in the world does profiling of turbine-wearing middle eastern people have to do with something that a clothes-shedding tea<redacted> was seen running from? Diversion?

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As I said, they WILL profile a white male or a teabag party person or whatever, but when it comes to profiling anyone else the liberals have a heart attack. BTW the term teabagger is a reference to a homosexual act, please don't use it here

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You know, I did not know that. I will (try) to correct my posts and thank you for the info. The term was selected to poke fun / make reference to tea party participants only and has been redacted.

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Now prax - we get Fox way over here too. BUT: I didnt see anyone yelling from under turbines at the tea rallies. I did see a LOT of angry, yelling middle aged white guys that fit the released description.

The Taliban would take credit for the Kennedy assassination if they could.

Are you maybe saying a group of raggedy pakistani villagers managed to bleach, shave, and dress a suspect to look like someone from an angry tea party rally?

I grew up in the south and saw a lot of "inventions" over the years. I read and saw the description of what they found in the SUV and also noted that they traced it (the SUV) to Texas. Prolly should add "redneck" or "cowhand" or "corn-pone" to "white in the 40's" and an accurate profile is oh-so-surely beginning to take shape.

BREAKING news (that we already know):

Kelly said officers were on the way to a Pennsylvania town to talk to a tourist who might have recorded the suspect on his video camera. The video shows a white man in his 40s taking off one shirt, revealing another underneath.

The commissioner said there's no evidence that a Pakistani Taliban videotaped claim to the failed car bombing is valid.

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Huh? You're not making any sense. I never said anything about tea party and turbines. I agreed that if this guy was white,40s and a male they should be looking for white males, profiling. What I said was that IF the guy was a middle eastern looking guy with a turbine that if they profiled based on that the left would have a heart attack.
So you are saying they were not involved? But if they were would you be alright with profiling Islamics, possibly of pakistani origin?

No Im saying if this was a white, non Islamic male, 40 years of age I would be FINE with profiling that demographic. BTW white looking people are not all blond looking people. Oh, and yes actually anyone intelligent would know that if you were an Islamic extremist and wanted to NOT look middle eastern, a good shave would help. Not all Muslims are dark skinned either.

Nor was any description tied into being angry or a member of the tea party.
As I said before, Im fine with profiling white males in this situation. That does not offend me.

Other than their own confession. The question you don't want to address is, IF it turns out this was an attempt by them, should we profile Islamics?

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Yeah, but why even do it? Nobody is poking fun at you or Islamics. It's a serious discussion of American security and questions of profiling. You brought up the issue of the perp being a white male and I said I was fine with profiling white males or anyone that fits the perps description. What I offered was that if it turns out the suspect was an Islamic extremist we would not be able to profile them...because they would be so offended, the left would be screaming..and you kind of proved my point by your responses.

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Your attempt to link the alleged suspect to the Tea Party movement is even more of a stretch than anything else that has been said so far. Why would you link a violent act such as this to the Tea Party which has staged scores of peaceful protests involving millions of Americans of all races and colors?

In fact, the only violence we've seen surrounding the Tea Party stuff has been when goons from the Democrat Party have targeted your "Tea[redacted]."

For example:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/...ed5e0031_m.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/...42a7a8db_m.jpg

The Taliban at least wants to be associated with the New York bombing.

At the same time this bomb in Times Square was sizzling and popping, a large and well publicized "Immigrants Rights" rally was being held a few miles straight down Broadway at Union Square.

If the bombers were your suspected "red necks" looking to "settle a score" or "put the hurt" to their perceived political foes, then they weren't watching Fox News all week. Fox covered the Union Square Pro-Immigrant rally and its build up all week.

And concerning the "race" of "Islamic extremists" in America consider those who have been actually identified as such and arrested or had warrants issued recently:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...z-left-001.jpg

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This perpetrator was probably just another white Conservative Christian.
You know, one of those ignorant yokels who takes comfort in his God and in his guns.

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A bomb in Times Square on May Day when a large Pro-Illegal Immigration rally is being held just a few miles away? The bombers appear to have been careful to avoid those who would be "celebrating" May Day.

A suspicious explosion on Earth Day sinks a large oil exploration platform at a time when even the Obama Administration is looking to open up off shore oil drilling in the Gulf.

If I could just find my tin foil hat I'd be almost convinced that the radical Left is recooking Professor Ward Churchill's old bomb making formula that was used by so many of the President's supporters when they were in college back in the 1960's.

*** Disclaimer: Ward Churchill did take credit for teaching bomb making to the Weatherman Underground but that claim may be as tenuous as the Taliban claims concerning yesterday's NYC bomb incident.

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I will be curious to see what the investigation reveals. I had a feeling from the start this might be some kind of domestic terrorism like the Federal building in OK.

I think Al Queda would make a more sophesticated bomb with all of their expertise in doing it around the world than what this appears to be.

Of course it could be some independent Al Queda symphathyzer who learned how to make the bomb from the internet rather than any real training.

We will know soon.

notofworks, just curious why you "loved it" when witnesses saw a 40ish white guy leaving the SUV? Whether this instance proves to be Islamic terrorism or not I have no doubt that Al Queda is recruiting and training white people and that will be the next wave of foot soldiers. The last muslim that tried to blow up that airplane said as much.

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I don't want anyone to give a detailed answer... but what sort of an idiot makes a "bomb" out of commercial firecrackers "like the ones you can buy in Pennsylvania?" Using that to detonate propane tanks sounds like it came from the same lab as "the shoe bomb" and the "underwear bombs." Those were two other things that went "fizz" instead of "boom!"

One lone home grown nut like McVeigh knew enough to launch a Ryder truck axle into low orbit. This NYC thing doesn't look like his style or his crony sympathizers.

It seems that because this thing makes no rational sense many folks want to blame it on "red necks." But I can't get over the fact that the car bomb was
parked so close to Fox News. The dinks who wants to put the blame on the "angry Right" apparently haven't looked at the scene.

And why would any American deliberately target the crowd outside a production of the Lion King? I can see a Ritalin crazed ex-Disney exec like Michael Eisner... maybe.

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I would have a lot more confidence in the investigation if Rudy were still Mayor.

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No... but either way it still should not be referenced here

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maybe the bombers could have made a more sophisticated one but materials were hard to come by. Anyway I've seen incidents in the news and Al Queda deny they were involved, why would the Taliban claim responsibility if they did not really do it?

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Now they are saying it wasn't even the right kind of fertilizer...

Either they were super dummies or they didn't care as long as it sparked fear

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Fertilizer?

As to the location... it turns out that Viacom's headquarters are in the same building as the Minskoff Theater on Broadway where the Lion King production has been showing.

Viacom is the media conglomerate that owns CBS, MTV and... Comedy Central which allegedly aired (sort of - but really not at all) several depictions of "the Prophet Muhammad" on its South Park "cartoon" series last week.

To be accurate - and I did tape the two-part episode and watch it just because of this controversy prior to any bombs or threats - "the Prophet Muhammad" was NOT depicted nor was "he" even in the "bear mascot" suit nor the U-Haul Rental Truck.

In the cliff hanger... the "boys" had tricked the "Hollywood actors," led by "Tom Cruise," into thinking that "Muhammad" was in the costume when in reality it was just "Santa Claus" and "Muhammad" was safe all along from those Hollywood weirdos.

Now, that probably doesn't make any sense... but the fact of the matter is: The Prophet Muhammad was definitely NOT depicted in any way on the recent South Park episodes. There was a "CENSORED" box shown at a couple of points - but later events revealed that this was probably "Santa Claus" as that's who turns up in the bear suit.

"Muhammad" was however depicted in a benign fashion many years ago in an episode where "he" teams up with "Jesus" and the "leaders" of other world faiths and philosophical systems to combat an "evil cult" led by British "magician" "David Blaine." Since this was well before 9/11/2001, no one paid it any mind and no one cared - including the Taliban that was then fighting to control Afghanistan.

I can't see how any off that makes any sense either.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Park-link.html

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I think great points have been made in this thread... I'm for what will keep America safe, I don't care about profiling, it's necessary.

But I want to interject something into the conversation here. I want to give God thanks and glory for protecting the United States. It may have been the hand of God that protected us from another terrible attack. Give God praise and worship our King and protector.

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eeeeek that's me !! don't lump me in with the tea-goers!

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(laughing) Now Prax you brought up turbines etc etc......note that it would be good to learn to discern the difference between serious comment and simple, good old fashioned tail twisting.

Face it and thankfully this gomer is obviously not the brightest light on the street. Hopefully they catch him soon and he can follow his buddy mcveigh to the "happy hunting grounds" of right-wing zealism.

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Of course I brought up turbines. I brought up the topic of profiling.

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Since this act was so obviously targeted at Viacom, Comedy Central and the South Park "cartoon's" so-called "Muhammad" controversy, why do you associate the suspected "bomber" with "mcveigh?"

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/w...obed-1.1024753

McVeigh was a killing machine who knew how, and was willing to take the time to prepare his "ingredients." This "gomer's" attempt just fizzed and smoked like the following attempts...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_552899.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6257194.stm

It seems like the the Scotland bombs and the recent one in New York all came from the same lab as the "underwear bomb;" though the "underwear bomber" was able to get his hands on some PETN, he too had a real problem understanding detonators. Thankfully.

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You know, I'm a pretty free and easy going kind of guy... but can we tighten it up a bit? Wii has fallen into this misuse of the Queen's language and it's probably our fault.

"Turbans" are worn by various cultures indigenous to South Asia.

"Turbines" are used to spin a cam.

Just sayin'

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If we're taking bets, I think the guy in the video taking off his shirt looks like a liberal, tree-hugging, commie loving, Obama backing idiot! He probably figured he could take out Fox News and bring the nation together under Obama at the same time.

Hey...my theory is as good as anyone else's for right now! :D

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lol. I spelled it right the first time then after he calls it a turbine I kept doing it too

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True.....now is that mistake deliberate or not? THAT is the question to ponder..

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Yeah. That's no "militia guy" or "gun nut."

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Times-...quare_car_bomb

I'd say that this guy isn't even very savvy. Probably someone who was either recruited for his ... "inability to think things through" or a lone actor with the same deficiencies.

Fox News is a block and a half away, however this is right in front of Comedy Central's HQ and the Viacom main offices. Given the whole "Muhammad in a bear suit" thing on Comedy Central the past two weeks, the blame seems to be pointing at Islamic extremists.

The only time these guys have made anything "bomb-like" go off in the US is when they hit a speed bump in the garage under the WTC in 1993 and the drivers immediately achieved martyrdom without getting the chance to change shirts.

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Here I pulled a profile out of this site for you:

http://www.fortogden.com/foredneck.html

Thrown together quickly:

May have a rag for a gas cap.
Likely lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand.
May think the Mountain Men in Deliverance
were just "misunderstood".
Believes It's easier to spray weed killer
on your lawn than mow it.
Possibly The FBI surrounded his trailer park
twice so far this year.
May stare at an orange juice container
because it says, "CONCENTRATE"
Possibly Anyone in his family died right
after saying, "Hey, y'all watch this!".

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In spite of your humor and funning of rednecks, we see very little violence carried out by rednecks. Poor white men are the bunt of many liberal and leftists jokes, but the fact is radical Muslims are carrying out the terror in our world. So, I'm just saying the the characterizations are greatly exaggerated. Even in the movies, it is the rednecks that are doing most of the racial violence, when in fact there is much, much more black on black murder than rednecks on black.

It is amazing how facts are really annoying, aren't they?? BTW: Most tea party members are not rednecks.

But your jokes are really funny!!

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Boy what makes me feel real good is what I heard the Mayor of New York City say today. In his rambling diatribe he said, "The individual who left the SUV loaded with bomb material was probably someone that was unhappy about Obama's healthcare plan." Get a life Mayor! New York ought to feel real good knowing who's in charge in their city!!! Oh, yea!

Where is Rudy?

Been Thinkin

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I am less than confident at the will of the current adminisration to investigate thoroughly incidents like this based on one of their first acts to combat terrorism was to no longer call it terrorism but "man made disasters". Any administration that would let a cabinent level official make that statement without firing her is incompetent.

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Looks like a Pakistani is involved.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_times_square_car_bomb

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<grins> facts are not annoying at all - Just pokin' fun at the jump from the current given description of the suspect to Seikhs (Seikhs wear turbans, not Muslims OR rednecks).

Now to be serious:

Were we to turn such an investigation over to the ignorantly-enhanced said individual would probably profile and investigate a group who has never been involved in any activity of this kind anywhere. THAT is what struck me as funny from the beginning.

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Well that narrows down the suspect list quite a bit. How many white pakistani's in their 40's could there possibly be? 3? 4?