Which is more important?
 

There are two objectives of holiness dress standards that somewhat conflict with each other.

1. Modesty

2. Gender distinction

Now, I do understand that it is possible to obey both at the same time, but you have to admit, taking one or the other to an extreme would be counterproductive to the other. I guess, even in the wacky world of the UC, there is a need for balance! :lol

But, if it came down to it, which of these is more important? Is it better to appear genderless (from what you wear, that is) or to look, ahem, overly "attractive" (to the opposite gender, that is)?

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Or should I have said "Is it less bad ..."? :D

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If men would just all have facial hair, we could rely on that for gender distinction :thumbsup

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Yeah, but some gals are really, really attracted to guys with beards. :lol

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I don't buy the question. It's set-up as an either/or in a hypothetical. I won't even court a question like that, which starts off with false choices.

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Yeah, I know.

Anyone else? :heeheehee

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I don't accept the premise of the question either...... however, it doesn't mean I haven't thought about similar questions. For instance, do SOME women have to "ugly up" lest they lead men into carnal thoughts? If Christina Hendricks started attending a church run by a UC pastor, would he make her wear a winter coat (or mans snowmobile suit) at all times?

How many here know who Christina Hendricks is? I could post a picture and you would know what I am talking about.....

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OK, so the premise isn't getting wide acceptance. :lol

But, what's not to accept? Is it the two goals, themselves? (Pretty sure they have both been given here on AFF, and not just by UCs.) Or do you think the goals aren't somewhat in conflict with each other? Note, I said somewhat. I also said it's possible to achieve both goals. But isn't it worth considering that there is, in fact, a balancing act going on?

And I just thought it was interesting to think about which goal is more important. To expand on the modesty goal, a bit:

An underlying assumption here, it seems, is that the more skin showing, the less "modest" one is dressed. But also, the more shape that shows through, even if the skin is covered, the less modest one is -- at least some "shapes". :D Nobody would think a woman whose only "clothing" is a 1/4 inch layer of paint, head to toe, is modest! But the gender distinction goal is 100% met, with flying colors! (And that's with bifurcated paint, even! :toofunny)

Yeah. I do tend to bring up extremes, don't I? :heeheehee

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Modesty.

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Thanks!

See, that wasn't so hard, was it? :D

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Well, I say heredity!

Oops, I mean "gender distinction". Care to make the usual wager?

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I'm not even sure a burqa could hide those! :ursofunny

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I didn't, but ogled her.... oops, I mean googled. :toofunny

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Definitely distracting if someone (a guy -or even most women) had to be around them, errr, I mean "her" all day in a work or church situation. LOL

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Modesty is more broad, and could include the other.

But the hypothetical. Why? What's your point? Where are you going with it?

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I don't know! Sometimes, I just can't help myself. :lol

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Tim-may!!!! Pay very close attention. My answer is at minutes 1:07 through 1:18! :thumbsup

I couldn't stop myself, although I did try - sort of. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHDhls0kJYM

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I don't get it. Am I dumb? Or dumber? :lol

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It's your call.... :toofunny

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Okay, I will cooperate. Genuine modesty produces the best gender distinction.

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Ah. The girl is dressed modestly, and yet we can easily tell she is a girl. Something like that?

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Or is it that she shed her sweater at about 1:07 (which I only just now noticed.... but maybe I'm getting old! :lol) and ... uh ... sorry. I lost that train of thought. :toofunny

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Well, not necessarily. Have you seen some of Jane Austin's characters? Nothing helped them look like women in all the audacious finery! :toofunny

I think there are some girls that like being tomboys. I'm a little of both, less tomboy, but I can be a tomboy if I need to be. I don't think I ever dress in a way that you wouldn't know I was a girl. So, dressing modestly is a good thing, because it's Biblical, but it's not a fool-proof method of identifying a girl - unless - you are meaning a dress/skirt for the apparel. And I think that is where you are leading the conversation. A criteria? LOL!

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Probably. Like I said, I don't know! :lol

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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thwak

It's when HE made a face and when HE said, "I doooon't care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I love that! :thumbsup I want that in my signature line for soooooooo many threads on this forum!!!! :toofunny

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:ursofunny

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Drink some Kombucha. It will make you think straight. Just drank some - love it! :thumbsup

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:thumbsup :D

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I believe that God's commandment against men and women wearing that which is ascribed to the opposite gender has a cultural purpose. Most of God's commands condemn something inherently sinful in the pagan cultures around them. For example, men would dress up as the "goddess" in pagan temple rituals. I think this perversion also manifests itself in cross dressing. I don't think God is actually talking about daily attire. Why? Because culturally the attire worn by Jewish men and women were nearly identical for many centuries.

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I'm not sure I agree with this.

After all, it is apparent that God has blessed more than a few women with facial hair as well.


They shouldn't trim their hair-- uncut is uncut, right?

I think women and men should seek to embrace everything God has created concerning them.



Facial hair and all for women and men!

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Does the Bible say that mustaches aren't feminine or does our culture say that mustaches aren't feminine?

Where does the Bible prescribe for a woman to keep her face (which is part of her head) hairless?

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When it comes to feminine body hair, I think French women and my Great Aunt Helga are more apostolic than most Apostolic women today (in respect to facial and body hair).

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The problem with posting facetiously, is that I am rarely prepared to backup my propositions. :D

As for yours, I'm afraid that I need to vote "No" to women with facial hair! Though it brings to mind the veggie tales song where Larry had "to kiss my great Aunt Ruth. She had a beard, and it felt weird". So THANKS for putting THAT in my head all day!