Are Trinitarians Saved?
 

If they believe in the Holy Ghost but not One God, will they be saved?

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Why do you care?

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I believe one's belief in the Trinity is not a one-way ticket to hell.

It's not like they deny Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

It's not like they deny that Jesus is God.

They don't believe Jesus is the Father and neither do I.

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Trinitarians by definition believe in one God.

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I have never heard a Trinitarian say Oneness people are going to hell!!!! But Oneness peeps send evreyone else to hell!!!! Why is that???!!

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Trinitarians believe that the Son is not the everlasting Father, nor is He the Holy Ghost. They believe that The Son, the Father, and the Holy Ghost are vessels, and one substance being GOD is poured into each vessel. While the Son is GOD, and the Father is GOD, and the Holy Ghost is GOD, they are still separate. They believe The Son is not the Father, and the Father is not the Son, The Son is not the Holy Ghost, and the Holy Ghost is not the Son, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father and visa versa. All this teaches another Christ, and something totally different from what the Jews originally believed as far as the Torah goes.


A Trinitarian view is considered idolatry to the Rabbinical Jews.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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I know the answer that you're wanting, but I believe that Trinitarians are saved.

I don't see why as Christians, we spend so much time putting our brothers and sisters in Christ down. There are so many who haven't even met Jesus Christ and are hellbound, yet we focus on whether or not Trinitarians, who by definition believe in one God just like you, will be in heaven or not.

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Post of the day!!!!!!!! IMO!!!!

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Well, not really. By definition the believe in three acting in a unified role.
The super essence is GOD, and GOD shares His essence with three seprate persons, who are not one substance, but three working in unity with each other. Where One God people see three titles of one deity, the Trinitarian see one super essence being shared by three separate persons, or as the modern Trinitarian would like to say, "beings." They do not believe in One as numeral one, but as a unified one.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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Trinitarians are not our Brothers & Sisters.

The biggest thing sending people to hell today is lying false doctrine. And the blind are leading all the blind straight to the ditch.


All liars.....

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Your belief that Jesus is the Messiah is considered idolatry blasphemy to Rabbinical Jews.

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Trinitarians are not your brothers and sisters. I do consider them to be mine.

Unless you have Scripture that says that they will be in hell, I don't understand how you're making this claim.

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even the ones who translated the King James authorized version so many oneness folks sware by, are all in or headed for the firy pits of hell!:grampa




:nah

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Unless you believe that I AM HE you shall die in your sins...


Thats a pretty good one to start with ^


Unless the preach what the Apostles preach, which is: baptize in Jesus Name, & preach acts 2:38 as salvation & know the true deity of God, they are going to hell.

thats Biblical.

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my UPC pastor used to preach against trinnies now and then, but after spending all afternoon with a few AOG preachers praying in the Spirit in a room, he came back referring to them as brother. Surprised me.

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I'm just thankful that you won't be up front making the decisions on Judgment Day. Something tells me that a lot of people would be in trouble. ;) I don't see why you ask a question like this when you already have such a strong opinion on it, anyway. Anyways, I'm out.

Blessings in Christ, brother/sister.

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Trinitarians do preach Acts 2:38. They do believe that Jesus is "HE." When I ask, most will say that they are baptizing in Jesus' name. So what's the problem?

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I especially like this one. After all, who doesn't believe that Jesus is "HE?"

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I AM HE.

Love this one.

Simply meaning, Except you believe that I am God you will die in your sins.

Before we get into your "apostolic teaching" rant, let's stick to godhead.

It's impossible to say one is saved or unsaved based on their views of the godhead, if they insist that Jesus is the Son of God. That's all we have scripture for (Romans 10). It's the minimum confession.

Otherwise, I'm curious how we evaluate salvation. Should people pass a theology test to prove what they know? And by whose standard? Oneness views have as many varieties as Trinny views. If you believe Jesus was both fully man and fully God, and that He is who He said He was, then there is no impediment to being saved. The rest is growing, learning and wrestling.

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Excuse me, but have you ever heard of James White, and Cal Beisner?

The late Dr D James Kennedy? These indivviduals teach and have written books that One God Jesus name believers aren't saved. While your run of the mill church goer really doeesn't care about the Trinity, their pastors do.
Brother N Urshan wouldn't call Trinitarian Walter Martin a Brother in Christ, because Walter Martin believed and taught that One God Jesus Name Apostolics were heretics. This isn't personal, it is doctrinal, and therefore those seeking to convert to Christianity are trying to figure out who is following what is written in the Bible. American churchanity has become so politically correct that no one believes that anyone is going to hell. Unless, we don't like them, or they tell us we are going to hell, then they're fair game.
Yet, if they are Trinitarians, Baptists, Church of Chirst, or whatever other denomination they might get to heaven, by default.

American Churchanity gets looser, and looser as the years roll on.

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No, your idea that the messiah is God, or that a man called Jesus is God is blasphemy. They think we worship a man.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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EB, I think many of these are changing their tune now on calling Oneness believers unsaved. I believe they genuinely think they are in error, but do not seem them on the verge of being lost, mostly because they accept that Jesus is both human and divine, as the Son of God.

I don't see how we can dogmatize the godhead in such a way as to say who is going to heaven or hell. Too many variations. In reality, I could never say who is or who isn't. But for sake of this scenario, I can quite comfortably say the way two individuals differently, cognitively understand how the godhead works is not a matter of salvation.

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Do you consider religious Jews to be your Brothers and Sisters?

Just asking.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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Cal Beisner and James White still to this day believe that we are as lost as Muslims. The Presbyterians are staunch with their anti-Apostolic Pentecostal stance. The late Dr D James Kennedy, believed that we were lost for denying the Orthodox view of the Trinity. I had a discussion with a friend of mine who is Eastern Orthodox, he allowed me to have the discussion with him at on of their Bible classes. I presented One God Apostolic Pentecostalism and he presented the opposing view. They hold dogmatically to the Trinity, although they believe in the Trinity differently than the Roman Catholics, they still believe that a belief in the Trinity is important for salvation. You will be surprised that Southern Baptist also believe an importance in a belief in the Trinity. While some One God Pentecostals would like to welcome Trinitarians aand call them next of kin, they are not looking to fellowship, but to eventually convert us.

Think about this, Paul makes mention of another Jesus, and another spirit, and another gospel. Trinitarian isn't the only different view, that teaches a subordinate Jesus. Or that the godhead is sectioned off into individuals.
In every religion you will find schisms, and break offs. Even in the time of Paul and the other apostles there were divisions. Are we so wrong when we as the early church try to weed out false teachers and false teachings? the Apostle Peter called what the false teachers taught damnable heresy.
Sometimes in our quest to be nicer than Jesus we lose teaching sound doctrine.



So, what would be earnestly contending for the Faith, that was delivered unto the first century saints? If this is really that hit and miss, why did the Bible writer commend the church for earnestly contending for "THE FAITH?"


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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EB, thanks for the reply. Based on your observations, it is obviously true that many Trinitarians consider the Trinity essential for salvation. I would say there are also many who do not. I received a letter from a popular ministry group on the subject, as we discussed godhead. They believed because we accepted Jesus as Divine and human, as the Son of God, to not be heretical (although they were adamant we were in error).

"The Faith" is a connection to the Gospel. Everything that Jesus said. "I am my Father am One." That He is the Messiah, God in flesh.

Paul's mention of "another Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11:4), is also in the context of "another Gospel" and "another spirit." His detractors were either Judaizers, which had less to do with godhead than it did salvation by and through the Law, or they were Gnostics, who didn't believe Jesus to be fully human at all, thus denying the reality that He was the Son of God.

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"If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God." 1 John 4:15

1 John 4:2-3 (addressed concerning gnostic "false prophets")
This is how we know if they have the Spirit of God: If a person claiming to be a prophet[a] acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in a real body, that person has the Spirit of God. 3 But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.

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Do you worship Jesus?

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Beisner changed his position that Oneness are lost since the late 70's? On the Ankerberg Show he states that a believer can be confused but anyone who believes on Christ is his brother ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq00L...eature=related

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Cal Beisner changed his views since the 70s? Based on what? Can you prove that? What about James White, did he also change his view?

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Yes, as God almighty.

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Not acceptable within the ranks of Rabbinical Judaism.

You appealed to Rabbinical Judaism to denounce Trinitarians as being idolatrous. Your own views are also not kosher among Rabbinical Jews. So why do you appeal to them as an authority for denouncing other Christians?

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Yes, because they see it as we worshipping a human form as God almighty.
Therefore we are idolaters in their eyes.

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In their minds we violated the first Noahide Law.

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Did you watch the video, EB? Simply asking if you can provide quotes to the assertions you've made about Cal. In the video, he demonstrates a lot more tolerant view than the wishy-washy NAU ... whose father, Andrew D and the rest of the pioneering OP leadership from Goss, Witherspoon, Ewart, Clyde Haney, SG Norris ... et al believed them to be saved and ... did not hold the Apostolic jihadist view of this present generation.

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The way I explain it to the rabbis is that we as Christians believe the community is the Body, and that we do not worship a 30 year old Hebrew, but that God is all in all in His community of believers as God almighty Jesus Christ. We now are the temple as individuals who make up one body/one temple, and God dwells in that Body.

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I'd give you a point for this because I like you; but the judges have all given you very low scores and the East German judge has just given you a "0" on your dance routine.

Your beliefs about Jesus Christ are not acceptable within the ranks of Rabbinical Judaism.

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No man-God in their theology .... viewed as idolatry

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And they, falling on their knees declare that they agree with you?

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I know that, but whattabout Dom's?

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Dom is going to get a VIP suite in Heaven with the rest of the us four and no more crowd while the rest of us enjoy the entire campus.