Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says she believes...
 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says she believes she must pursue public policies "in keeping with the values" of Jesus Christ, "The Word made Flesh."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/66208

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:pullhair::pullhair:pullhair

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What's the matter?

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If you heard her comments she sounds like a idiot that is clueless and simply trying to gain points per religion. In the end basically Jesus was a socialist/communist.

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This is gonna sound "different", but it is my sincere belief that Nancy Pelosi is possessed by demons.

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Perhaps not governmentally, but in Christian practice, isn't it quite Socialistic? He rewards those that come in the field the same as those that have been there all day. He gives out gifts that are not earned. We are to bear one another's burdens. We give in sacrifice toward others.

Pelosi may have fundamental disagreements with all of us with how a nation should be ran, but do we so quickly discount her faith because of these disagreements?

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*rolls eyes*

:blah

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:thumbsup BHO is sharing his probably

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You believe BHO and Nancy Pelosi are demonically possessed?

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she is a idiot along with the rest of the libs... I also don't like the republicans because they are nothing but big G as well. Personally I am more of the Libertarian view.

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Exactly. How exactly does her making the statement make different than any other politician playing the Jesus card for votes? The Republicans have paid lip service to issues of concern to Christians for years while never actually doing anything about any of them. "D" and "R" are nothing but two sides of a single coin.

Same, migrated over from the constitutionalists.

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Is the answer to Jeffrey's question in there, somewhere? ;)

Now I'll take this opportunity to plug a thread on the topic of the ideal government, from a Christian perspective. It's been dominated by one guy for the last umpteen posts. Somebody needs to set him straight! :lol

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=29885

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So did those guys believe written about in John 8: 30-31? Yet check out what Jesus did say to them later on written in John 8:44 to those same people that did believe.

Jesus also said the following about even some that operated in the gifts of the Spirit in Mt. 7:21-23 even about these people. Why: Because we are to know one another by their fruits, according to what is written in Mt. 7:16-20. Plus he also said something about a house that is setting on the sand constantly falls, but the one that is sitting on the rock does not fall down all the time.

So where does that leave a person that voted for a bill that allows abortion? And that is just for starters. Which should tell you where Mz Pelosi is at with the Lord.

Those being just some clues as to how we are to know one another.

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Yes, some of her views, IMO, are idiotic. I also lean more libertarian.

That doesn't mean I question her faith.

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I didn't follow 3/4 of your post. Maybe it's my own denseness.

Fruit, has to do with showing godliness. But before we pick up stones, let's examine ourselves in this area. Let's face it, most bring their faith and politics together at the same table, political enemies become religious enemies.

Her voting for abortion is more on a legal principle (which I firmly disagree with), and not necessarily because she believes abortions are morally permissible. Which the next thing is, if she's wrong there, does that make her a sinner, even if she never had the abortion herself?

Politicians like Mitt Romney, who one-time voted for women's rights in abortion, are men who firmly disagree with abortion on moral grounds, but bent more libertarian on the issue legally. However, I wouldn't dare mischaracterize his position as "pro-abortion."

I'm firmly anti-abortion, and on the basis that intentional termination of a fetus is pretty darn close to murder, I object that anyone has a "right" that trumps the personal well-being of another -- and this even understanding that legally a fetus does not have a right under the Constitution, but I yield to the idea of Natural Rights and Human Rights on this one.

That said, I always hate to see people throw religious stones around with their politics.

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:thumbsup

I do wonder sometimes though if we serve the same God...is that the same as questioning her faith??? ;)...just kidding

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:toofunny

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I know...I just can't help myself sometimes....:D

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Our term “demon possessed” is an older English term and comes from a time when there was a lot of superstition about demons or evil spirits and their influence on humans. Some thought a demon could come in and possess a person when he yawned so they were taught to cover the mouth when yawning. Others thought a demon could enter when a person opened their mouth and sneezed so when someone sneezed an interjectory prayer of “God bless you” would be spoken. Or have you ever heard the expression, “What possessed you to do that?” The thought of “demon possession” which was current in the seventeenth century found its way into the King James Version as a paraphrase of the single Greek word “daimonizomai” because it represented the current cultural thought of the time.

The word often used in the King James New Testament for demon possession is a single word which could be tranliterated “demonize” and could mean influenced or controlled by a demon in various ways or stages.


The Greek word “daimonizomai” pronounced da-hee-mon-id’-zom-ahee, is Strong’s word number 1139 meaning to have a demon or to be exercised by, influenced by, controlled by, or possessed by a demon. This is from the word daimon, pronounced dah’-ee--mon Strongs word number 1142 translated demon or devil or (evil) spirit.

Here is a listing of the single word “daimonizomai” and how it is translated or paraphrased or interpreted in the KJV. The multiple English words translated from the single Greek word are shown in capital letters for clarity.

Mt 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and THOSE WHICH WERE POSSESSED WITH DEVILS, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Mt 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him MANY THAT WERE POSSED WITH DEVILS: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Mt 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two POSSESSED WITH DEVILS, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

Mt 8:33 And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to THE POSSESSED OF THE DEVILS.

Mt 9:32 As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man POSSESSED WITH A DEVIL.

Mt 12:22 Then was brought unto him ONE POSSESSED WITH A DEVIL, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

Mt 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously VEXED WITH A DEVIL.

Mark 1:32 And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and THEM THAT WERE POSSESSED WITH DEVILS

Mark 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see HIM THAT WAS POSSESSED WITH THE DEVIL, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Mark 5:16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to HIM THAT WAS POSSESSED WITH THE DEVIL , and also concerning the swine.

Mark 5:18 And when he was come into the ship, HE THAT HAD BEEN POSSESSED WITH THE DEVIL prayed him that he might be with him.

Luke 8:36 They also which saw it told them by what means HE THAT WAS POSSESSED OF THE DEVILS was healed.

John 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of HIM THAT HATH A DEVIL. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

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Uh... Okay.

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Why'd you have to go there? This stuff (demon possession) doesn't happen in America. Happens in places like Mexico... and Argentina... and Brazil... NOT in America. Can't keep the Mexicans on their side of the border... but the demons respect the boundaries. :toofunny

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Pelosi, yes. BHO, probably not. This is from my tiny sliver of the gift of discerning of spirits. We still believe in the gifts of the spirit here, right? Oh, wait, Sam doesn't even believe people can be possessed by demons. What did Jesus mean when He said "Come out of him, and enter no more into him"? I'm sure there a perfectly rational Greek explanation for it. Those silly dumkophs who translated the KJV, they should have waited until 2010 so Sam could tell them what the Greek was really saying.

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What causes you to "spiritually discern" Nancy Pelosi, a woman you only know from Rush Limbaugh clips, newspapers and FoxNews sound bytes, and determine she's "demonically possessed?" Please share.

I actually think you're serious.

For one, is it ironic that your political foe is one you've discerned? Would it be fitting if one of your political heroes also had a devil?

Personally, I think your statement is quite absurd and embarrassing. If you had a large platform, you could be the next Pat Robertson.

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I have no political heroes. Nancy Pelosi's mannerisms and her eyes look as if she's possessed. I could be wrong, but she looks the part, and something deep within my spirit is uneasy every time I see her or hear her voice.

And to be fair, Ann Coulter seems as if she might have company as well.

And regarding your next to last sentence, personally, I couldn't care less what you personally think of what I believe the Lord has shown me.

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She's a 70-year old Catholic politician from San Francisco via Baltimore via New York with a shrill voice and extreme leftist ideals. Of course she makes you uneasy bro.

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Then why does Ann Coulter?

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She's crazed. An eccentric personality, self-absorbed and always with this strange half-laughter in her voice, looking for a fight. haha

But really, you tell me why. I just think it's a stretch to say people that make you uneasy are demonically possessed.

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That's the gift of discernment for ya. Works differently for different people. ;)

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:grampa

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Yes I believe Nancy may very well be possessed. I do not believe the same about BHO.

and I also very much question her faith.

She says she is a "devout" Catholic. Yet she supports things her church considers anathama.

It is not being "judgemental" to compare a person to their own measuring stick.

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Kinda like a UPC preacher that watches TV?

:D

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nope. and I am not using any gift to believe nasty nancy is possessed either.

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Not even kinda?

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not even kinda.

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nor sorta either.

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Okie dokie. ;)

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Duane,
I don't think that is a fair presentation of what I said.
Maybe it came across that way but it's not the way I meant it.

I used the word, "demonized" instead of a series of words some others use going from impressed, obsessed, depressed, oppressed, possessed"

There are different ways that demons/dark spirits can affect or influence or demonize us.

Christians can be demonized or influenced or yield areas of their lives to the control of satan's messengers. I think that is what we are exhorted to avoid in Ephesians 4:27 where in the KJV it says, "neither give place to the devil." Other ways of saying it would be "don't make him comfortable" or "don't empower him" or "do not give the devil a foothold." In the Amplified it says:
"Leave no [such] room or foothold for the devil [give no opportunity to him]."

And, there are some people who are so under the control of or under the influence of satan that we, in our vernacular, refer to them as "demon possessed."

As Christians, we have authority over satan and his armies. Jesus spoke about satan and said, "he has no part in me." We as children of God have Him within as the Holy Spirit and the One within is greater than the enemy without who is trying to tempt, damage, and destroy us. But, if we are not careful, even Christians can be influenced/demonized and yield areas of our lives and of our minds to satan.

I'm using the term demonized to refer to various aspects and levels of the way satan can influence us and gain access.

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How can you make such a statement without discernment?

You are claiming an affliction that is supernatural to be recognized in the natural? That just doesn't make any sense.

If you don't believe you're being judgmental, then I surely can't convince you that you are. Her faith is between her and God. I tend to believe we can have personal moral decisions, and political/legal opinions that don't always agree.

BTW, I personally agree more with Ron Paul:

The federal government should not play any role in the abortion issue, according to the Constitution. Apart from waiting forever for Supreme Court justices who rule in accordance with the Constitution, Americans do have some legislative recourse. Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution gives Congress the power to strip the federal courts of jurisdiction over a broad categories of cases.

On the right-to-life issue, I believe, I’m a real stickler for civil liberties. It’s academic to talk about civil liberties if you don’t talk about the true protection of all life. So if you are going to protect liberty, you have to protect the life of the unborn just as well.
I have a Bill in congress I certainly would promote and push as president, called the Sanctity of Life Amendment. We establish the principle that life begins at conception. And someone says, ‘oh why are you saying that?’ and I say, ‘well, that’s not a political statement -- that’s a scientific statement that I’m making!“

I know we’re all interested in a better court system and amending the constitution to protect life. But sometimes I think that is dismissing the way we can handle this much quicker, and my bill removes the jurisdiction of the federal courts from the issue of abortion, if a state law says no abortion, it doesn’t go to the supreme court to be ruled out of order

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it is real simple Jeffery, to begin with where Nasty Nancy is concerned, there is no need to understand my perspective. She is as vile a person who has ever walked.

Second, I was being snarky. you dont need desernment to be snarky.

Third, The woman says she is a "devout catholic" those are her words.

She does not however, live up to the "Catholic Standard" by her own admission.

if a guy walks into a bank, shoots the teller, rapes the guard and makes off with all the money then kicks a 3 year old on the way out the door, it isnt judgemental to say the fellow is evil.

same with nasty nancy.

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Do you think it's cute to have horrible names for other people? Is that you how "love your neighbors?"

What do you know about her "vileness?" Have you ever sat down with her? Do you know her children? Her cousins? Are you friends with her friends? How is your opinion about her shaped?

You say Nancy is evil because she disagrees with you politically on abortion? You compare that to her raping and robbing a bank? Even is she doesn't personally support abortions or has never had one herself? You are willing to call her evil and vile? Are we able to support legal opinions from moral life philosophies?

So you do or don't believe Nancy is possessed by devils? I didn't realize you were being "snarky." I think the Evangelist was quite serious.