Originally Posted by Kutless (Post 92828)

I was just wondering why there was a cause for Peter and John to come to Samaria. It was then that they rec'd the HG. It seems as though Philip coupld have got the job done. He was obviously qualified as he was preaching the gospel and witnessing other miracles.

Just wondering.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92839)

Peter had the keys and until the door was opened to Jew-Samaritan-Gentile it was his job to bind and loose. After that then it was not necessary.

Originally Posted by Chan (Post 92857)

Yes, it was Peter's job to open the doors of the Church first to the Jews (which He did in Acts 2), then to the Samaritans (which he did in Acts 8), and finally to the Gentiles (which he did in Acts 10). As for the binding and loosing, I'm not sure that has to do specifically with opening the doors to the Church.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92861)

Epley sounds like a Roman Catholic.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92868)

Catholic but NOT Roman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92839)

Peter had the keys and until the door was opened to Jew-Samaritan-Gentile it was his job to bind and loose. After that then it was not necessary.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92870)

tradition is tradition ....

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92877)

Yes some traditions are to be held. 2Thess. 2:15

Originally Posted by Kutless (Post 92875)

Thanks Bro E. but John was with him and vs. 17 said "they" laid thier hands on them.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92887)

They were sent out by twos remember.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92887)

They were sent out by twos remember.

Originally Posted by Kutless (Post 92897)

so the 2's always included Peter?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92903)

The Holy See had to be present.

Originally Posted by Kutless (Post 92913)

can you point to other examples?

Originally Posted by Kutless (Post 92897)

so the 2's always included Peter?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92921)

I'm being silly ... just as the statement by Epley that the keys given to Peter = unloosing and unbinding ....

He received the same power that the rest of the 119 received at Pentecost.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92924)

Just at the opening of the doors to Jew-Samaritan(mixed race) Gentile!
He had the keys the power to bind and loose. John was a witness at Samaria and the six brethren were his witness with the Gentiles.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92932)

This is heresy ... Acts 1:8 ... says they ALL WOULD RECIEVE POWER TO WITNESSES to these groups ...

Peter understood the Jesus is the Son of God ... the key to entering in ....

Any other interpretation is UNSOUND

Originally Posted by Actaeon (Post 92934)

KEY(S) - and not Randy either

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92924)

Just at the opening of the doors to Jew-Samaritan(mixed race) Gentile!
He had the keys the power to bind and loose. John was a witness at Samaria and the six brethren were his witness with the Gentiles.

Originally Posted by Kutless (Post 92931)

I'm not following you at all.



Later in the chapter are we to believe the Eunuch rec'd the H.G.?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92933)

Jesus gave Peter the keys and the power to bind and loose. Mt. 16:18.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 92933)

Jesus gave Peter the keys and the power to bind and loose. Mt. 16:18.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92940)

We don't know if the Eunuch spoke in tongues ... but I believe Epley was referring to why Peter ... was present ... making a case for him somehow holding the KEYS..

Originally Posted by Kutless (Post 92938)

I may be guilty of being to literal here but no where in this particular passage does it say or indicate that Peter acted alone.

vs. 14.......they sent for Peter and John

vs. 15......they both prayed for an infilling

vs. 17 they both laid theor hands on them

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92943)

silliness ... this rock ... is Jesus ... he is the rock on which the church is built ... it is HIM that give us all the power to prevail against the gates of hell.

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 92951)

Finally, you aren't speaking like a Baptist! A baptist grammarian I know states the rock is Peter because Peter is the antecedent, much like the Roman Catholic church believes.

The gates of hell cannot prevail against the church, not visa versa! :popcorn2

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92959)

Oneness folks would rather make the rock a man or their doctrine ... UNREAL.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92986)

They'd also like to make the keys or any other verse point to Acts 2:38 .... scripture points to CHRIST ............. HELLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 93000)

The rock is the REVELATION Peter had of who Jesus is. The church is built on that revelation.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 92986)

They'd also like to make the keys or any other verse point to Acts 2:38 .... scripture points to CHRIST ............. HELLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 93000)

The rock is the REVELATION Peter had of who Jesus is. The church is built on that revelation.

Originally Posted by Eliseus (Post 93007)

"But what are the keys?"

The "keys" is a metaphor for the ability to unlock (and lock) the "door to the kingdom", which is accomplished through anointed preaching and teaching.

The scribes and Pharisees took away the "key of knowledge" from people via their false doctrines.

The key(s) therefore is a metaphor for that correct knowledge which allows one entrance into the kingdom of God as a citizen, with all its attendant priviledges and reponsibilities.