The sons of God and the daughters of men
 

I was reading a passage about this part of Genesis that I would probably pay little attention too, and looking back at it, it does pose a question. What is being referred to here as Sons of God and daughters of men? because in context, it looks like the sons of God were not just regular men. Someone please offer some insight and clarity.

Genesis 6

1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

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I asked the same question in this thread:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=30067

Got a partial response in the 3rd post..

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I have always been taught this way:
2That the sons of God (godly line of Seth)saw the daughters of men (ungodly line of Cain)that they were fair;

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I have always been taught this way:
2That the sons of God (godly line of Seth)saw the daughters of men (ungodly line of Cain)that they were fair;

However, I think the teaching was conjecture and not from an indepth proven Bible Study.

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Everything I've read on this passage has been conjecture, because scripture isn't clear enough on the topic to allow for anything else. ;)

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That's weird that we were thinking the same thing recently.

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Another weird one is in Ezekial, when he describes the spaceship God come in with all the wheels within one another and he even goes on to describe the sound it makes. The question is, if God was omnipotent and omnipresent, why did he need this elaborate spaceship?

15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

16The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

17When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

18As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

20Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

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back to the original point. So the sons of seth and the daughters of Cain somehow just seem to make giants..................why were they so different that they created giants? Not to degrade you personally, but based on that logic if I'm ungodly, then I would create giants if I mated with someone holy.

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:family Meet holy and unholy...................they fell in love and then


:nahnah

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I'm not sure that Giants applies to the offspring the verse says...

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

It seems there were already giants in the land.

Now it does say that the children became mighty men.

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My best interpretation without doing extensive research would be that Ezekiel was describing a Spiritual depiction of the brazen laver which did have wheels in the literal sense to help move it around. And this is just a guess because I'm very uncomfortable in explaining all the symbolism in the bible to say otherwise.

I wouldn't say God needed a spaceship but that the children of Israel used lavers, altars, and animal sacrifices to appease their own consciences. This process or this ritual PROBABLY took on an animalistic mindset with the people. Maybe not as bad as the Mayans offering up their own children and brethren but there had to be some carnality involved to say the least. I say this because in other passages God voices His displeasure in the blood offerings...

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The sons of God were not just regular men but were spiritual beings along with the morning stars. They, and the morning stars, rejoiced at the design and creation of the heavenlies before humans were created.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

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They were the Angels who sinned. This is mentioned twice in the New Testament.

For if God didn’t spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved for judgment...2 Peter 2:4

Angels who didn’t keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6

If this is not that when did this happen?

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Here is this man's thoughts...I haven't studied it enough to give an opinion. Click on the link for the complete study.


http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/nephilim.html#n01

Who Were the Nephilim and Sons of God?
by Rich Deem

Introduction

There is somewhat of a controversy in Christianity regarding the identification of the Nephilim and sons of God mentioned in the Genesis flood account (Genesis 6:2-4). Are the sons of God the human offspring of the godly line of Seth or angelic beings (demons)? Were the Nephilim a race of giants that existed before and after the flood or is the word just a generic term describing large strong people?
Nephilim and sons of God: Genesis 6

Let's look at the passage in question, in context:

Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:1-5)

The passage describes the Nephilim as being "men" twice, using two different Hebrew words. It does not use the Hebrew words used to describe angels ("angels," "cherubim," and "seraphim"). It's pretty obvious from the context that God was not happy about what was going on between the sons of God, the Nephilim, and the daughters of men. Let's go on to examine how other biblical passages use these terms.

Sons of God

Unfortunately, the phrase "sons of God" appears in only five verses from only two books of the Old Testament. Two verses are found in the Genesis 6 flood account. The other three verses are found in the book of Job. From the book of Job, the context clearly indicates that "sons of God" are angelic beings, since they enter directly into God's presence1 or existed before the creation of the earth.2 In the New Testament "sons of God" always refer to redeemed human beings.3

The giants (Nephilim)

The Hebrew word used to describe the Nephilim occurs in only two verses of the Old Testament, one in our passage from Genesis 6 and the other in the book of Numbers.4 From the book of Numbers, we find that the descendants of Anak are part of the Nephilim.5 Since Anak was a Canaanite,6 it would be logical to assume that the Nephilim were human, rather than angelic. The verses tell us little about the people, other than they were strong and tall and lived in fortified cities. Were these Nephilim the same as the Nephilim of Genesis 6? Contrary to the beliefs of many, Nephilim does not describe a race of peoples. In the Bible, races of people groups were designated by their founding male ancestor.
So, the Anakim were descendent of Anak. However, the Nephilim are never described as being descended from anybody.

The term actually means "giants,"7 being derived from the Hebrew word nephal, which means to "fall upon" or "overthrow," referring to their warlike nature.8 Since the Old Testament describes Nephilim both before and after the flood, if the Nephilim were a race then it would contradict the rest of Scripture, which indicates pretty clearly that there were only eight survivors of the flood.9

Demonic or angelic beings?

Some Christian have speculated that the "sons of God" from Genesis 6 were demonic beings, who had sexual relations with human women, and are now condemned to future judgment.10
However, Jesus made it clear that angels are asexual beings who do not engage in sexual relations at all.11 Since demons are merely fallen angels,12 they would, likewise, be unable to procreate with women. Some apocryphal books, such as the book of Enoch13 and book of Jubilees,14 indicate that the Nephilim were fallen angels. However, these books make some outrageous claims, saying that the giants were 450 feet tall!13

Conclusion

Since the Bible indicates that angels are asexual beings, it makes sense that they could not be the "sons of God" who produced children with the "daughters of men." The best interpretation is that the "sons of God" were men who were descended from Seth, who followed the Lord for a time (in contrast to the line of Cain, which produced the "daughters of men").15

However, right before the flood, even the "sons of God" took wives among the line of Cain, and, therefore, became corrupted themselves through their unbelieving wives.
This is one of the reasons God determined to destroy the entire human race, except for the eight people who still followed the Lord (Noah and his extended family).
Genesis 6 also describes the Nephilim, who were the corrupt strongmen of their time, notorious for their violent exploits (Genesis 6:4).

These men were probably also descendents of Cain, who were terrorizing the peoples and represented at least part of the group whose thoughts were "only evil continually." The Nephilim that were described after the flood were also evil strongmen, but not related to those pre-flood people, since they were all destroyed in the flood.

• Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. (Job 1:6)
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD. (Job 2:1)

• When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)

• "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Matthew 5:9)
for neither can they die anymore, for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. (Luke 20:36)
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. (Romans 8:14)
For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. (Romans 8:19)
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)

• "There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight." (Numbers 13:33)

• When they had gone up into the Negev, they came to Hebron where Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai, the descendants of Anak were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.) (Numbers 13:22)
"Nevertheless, the people who live in the land are strong, and the cities are fortified and very large; and moreover, we saw the descendants of Anak there. (Numbers 13:28)
a people great and tall, the sons of the Anakim, whom you know and of whom you have heard it said, 'Who can stand before the sons of Anak?' (Deuteronomy 9:2)

Now he gave to Caleb the son of Jephunneh a portion among the sons of Judah, according to the command of the LORD to Joshua, namely, Kiriath-arba, Arba being the father of Anak (that is, Hebron). (Joshua 15:13)
And Caleb drove out from there the three sons of Anak: Sheshai and Ahiman and Talmai, the children of Anak. (Joshua 15:14)

• "For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, they were marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so shall the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matthew 24:38-39)
they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. (Luke 17:27)

By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. (Hebrews 11:7)
who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. (1 Peter 3:20)
and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; (2 Peter 2:5)

• And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, (Jude 1:6)
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; (2 Peter 2:4)

• On that day some Sadducees (who say there is no resurrection) came to Him and questioned Him, saying, "Teacher, Moses said, 'IF A MAN DIES, HAVING NO CHILDREN, HIS BROTHER AS NEXT OF KIN SHALL MARRY HIS WIFE, AND RAISE UP AN OFFSPRING TO HIS BROTHER.'
"Now there were seven brothers with us; and the first married and died, and having no offspring left his wife to his brother; so also the second, and the third, down to the seventh. "And last of all, the woman died. "In the resurrection therefore whose wife of the seven shall she be? For they all had her." But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God. "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:23-30)

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Lamech said to his wives, "Adah and Zillah, Listen to my voice, You wives of Lamech, Give heed to my speech, For I have killed a man for wounding me; And a boy for striking me; If Cain is avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold." (Genesis 4:23-24)

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HUMAN ANOMALIES

http://www.bibleufo.com/humanphenom98.htm

Tribes of Giants ...In the Bible and Around the World

One only needs to do a cursory study of the Bible to verify the definite existence of giants, throughout the biblical narrative. The earliest appearance of giants occurs just before the flood of Noah's documentation. Considering the detail added by Enoch in his accounting of the pre-flood giants, we learn that the flood was caused to rid the Earth of these giant hybrids spawned by devious angels, who were driven by cross-species sexual lust. But, for some unknown reason some, if not many, of the giants survived that flood or a genetic mutation was present in the normal-sized survivors.
Christian-centered belief accepts that only Noah and his kin survived the flood, but the ancient record, and anthropological and historical facts, challenge this narrow view. There are hundreds of Noah's and Noah-like flood legends in the histories and legends of most ancient peoples around the world. And, how did African, Asian, Mesoamerican, and the other great cultures of the world exist, on a much grander scale than the Adamic-related culture of the Bible, both before, and after, the great flood they record? Only more survivors could explain this.
The recognition of Bible related giants is high, even outside of mainstream Christian influence, with the famous and oft-repeated encounter of David and the giant, Goliath. Some are aware of other accounts of giants, the king with a 16-foot bed. Deeply buried in the biblical record, several "tribes" or groups of giants are named. Many of these are mentioned in the verses we present on giants in the Bible, but it would take an exhaustive project to do make an entire presentation on these giant tribes.
We always encourage our readers to do independent research on all subjects found in the entirety of this work. In this case anyone interested in these giant tribes can do an internet search using the words "giant" or "giants" in conjunction with any of names of giant tribes or groups listed below. Many others have done several research projects that are available online.

There are 36 of Tribes of Giants
mentioned in the Bible:

Amalekites
Amorites
Anakims
Ashdothites
Aviums
Avites
Canaanites
Caphtorims
Ekronites
Emins
Emins
Eshkalonites
Gazathites
Geshurites
Gibeonites
Giblites
Girgashites
Gittites
Hittites
Hivites
Horims
Horites
Jebusites
Kadmonites
Kenites
Kenizzites
Maachathites
Manassites
Nephilim *
Perizzites
Philistines
Rephaims
Sidonians
Zamzummins
Zebusites
Zuzims

* The Nephilim
The word Nephilim does not appear in the Bible, nor any Hebrew pronunciation of any
words translated in the Bible. But the word Nĕphiyl, pronounced Nepheel does in the first
mention of Giants in Genesis 6:4, and in Numbers 13:33 when describing the Giants of
the promised land, Cannan. These giants were apparently the original giants spawned
by the Gregori, the giant angels who mated with human females.

There are also 21 individual Giants mentioned, by name, in the Bible:

Adonizedec - King of Jerusalem
Agag - King of the Amalakites
Ahiman
Amalek
Arba
Beelesath
Gog and Magog
Gogmagog
Goliath
Hoham - King of Hebron
Horam - King of Gezer
Jabin - King of Hazor
Jobab - King of Madon
Lahmi
Nimrod
Og of Bashan
Ogias - Og's father
Perizzites
Sheshai
Sihon - King of the Amorites
Sippai
Talmai

Here is an intriguing verse showing this biblical reality:
► "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight." (Numbers 13:33)
To put this in perspective we will show how the men making that statement came to this revelation.

♦ God decides that the tribes of Israel should settle in the land called Canaan and orders Moses to send men to explore it:
► "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel:" and "And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan..." (Numbers 13:1&17)

♦ The men return and a report that it is a beautiful and abundant land, but with great walled cities and a "strong" people that were the sons of Anak living there:
► "And they returned from searching of the land after forty days....And they told him, and said, We came unto the land whither thou sentest us, and surely it floweth with milk and honey; and this is the fruit of it. Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. "(Numbers 13:25-28)

♦ There is a call to conquer the land but the men give a warning about the strength of the inhabitants:
► "And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it. But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we."(Numbers 13:30-32)

♦ The cause for this great strength of these people is revealed when we find out how big the "children of Anak" really are:
► "And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."(Numbers 13:32-33)

There can be no doubt that the people living in Canaan were either an organized tribe or group of giants living in great walled cities. This no legend found scrawled on some obscure buried tablet, but absolute biblical proof that the Nation of Israel confronted a giant race in the land of Canaan. Descriptions of encounters with other giants and giant tribes or groups are found in the Bible as well. This being true, is not logical to assume that there may have been other giant clans in other parts of the world gathered together to protect themselves from other humans, or more likely, from other giant tribes?
Could this be the reason why large groupings of giant bones are found together in caves and burial grounds all over the world? Consider the ones found only in Ohio, just in 19th Century: Conneaut 1800, Chesterville 1829, Vermillion 1858, Brush Creek Township 1870, Seneca Township 1872, Ashtabula County 1878, Zanesville 1880, Medina County 1881, Marion County 1883, Brown County 1883, Toledo 1888 and 1895, Proctorville 1892, Jackson 1897, and the Lake Erie Islands 1898.
This should give an indication that giants were not solitary beings and only found in biblical lands, but probably all over the world in great numbers. If that many groups were found in only one century in one location less than 1/1400th of the land mass of the planet, then how many more places were they located but never discovered?

GREAT LINKS ON GIANTS...

Giants in the Bible
Historical North American Giants
Giants in English History
Giants in History, Myth, and Legend
The Giants of the Cave

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogId=408331863

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/N.Am/N.Am.War4.html

http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/e...s/earthdis.htm

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giants.html

http://ancientlosttreasures.yuku.com/forums/20

http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...-and-the-bible

http://www.creationism.org/patten/

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Wow AJS, that has to be the best response I have heard on this forum. There was no bias in your words, and you didn't hide behind the bible by saying, "well the bible says this, so you have to interpret it the way I do regardless of the thousands of other interpretations". In searching for the truth regarding the history of us and our planet, we have to drop all preconceived notions of how each story that perplexes us only makes sense if we can put it in this little box or bible. We accept the beginning as is, and the end as is, so everything in the middle has to fit withing these borders that we have established. Don't get me wrong, I love the bible and I think it is one of the most if the not the most wonderful gift of literature we have today, but there has to be much much more out there. I pose these questions not because I want to discredit the bible, but because I am sincerely interested in learning what others have to share. Even if I might not agree with you. I have read a little bit about "The Epic of Gilgamesh", and it sounds fascinating to say the least. Supposedly, don't quote me, but it is the oldest recorded story we have on this earth, in that it was written on stone as apposed to word of mouth. This story also has an account of a great flood, and is seen as a mirror to Genesis. Some even believe that Genesis may have been inspired from The Epic of Gilgamesh. Patriarchs like Moses would have defiantly read this having access to the libraries in Egypt.

In regards to the stepping stone:

I'm sorry, but I do not think this is a spiritual representation of something. Ezikeal describes this very well on more than one occasion, and he describes the noise it made and what happened to the earth when it moved up or down. Of course we have to take into account that Ezikeal has never heard nor seen an airplane or any other flying machine. So his base of reference is zero, he is simply describing what he is seeing the best way he can, and he gives an accurate account of a flying machine we have today. In my opinion, this does not fit into our contemporary view of the bible box, and I am open to the possibility that this was an actual machine used by the beings on board, beings as in plural, because it was more than one creature on board.

This could very well be an extra terrestrial sighting in the bible.:hunter

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Josephus reflects the opinion of first century Judaism,

"1. For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better: but seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land." ~ Works of Josephus

It should be noted that NOWHERE does the Bible state that angels are asexual beings.

Most don't realize what happened in Genesis 6. Fallen angels took on human forms and cohabitated with human women. Their children were indeed the Nephilim (Giants). The English Standard Version reads...

Genesis 6 (English Standard Version)
1When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. 3Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years." 4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

The ancients understood that we face two classes of demonic forces. First, we face the Fallen Angels. Second we face unclean spirits. Both are considered "devils". The origin of the "unclean spirits" is traced back to the Nephilim. The demonic spawn of the sons of God were drowned in the flood. Being neither angel nor human, their spirits were left to roam the earthly plane until the day of judgment. These are the "spirits" that seek to inhabit human beings (possession) so that they might "live again" or "live out their lusts" through the sinful individual.

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The Book of Enoch, found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, illustrates the opinion of the ancients.

Book of Enoch 6:1-8
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them
beautiful and comely daughters.
2 And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us
choose us wives from among the children of men
3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not
4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered
him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations
5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves
6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on
the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn
7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz,
their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal,
8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.

Book of Enoch 7:1-6
1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they
began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms
2and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they
3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed
4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against
5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

Book of Enoch 8:1-3
1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to
them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of
antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all
2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they
3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root−cuttings,'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven.

While most would argue that the Book of Enoch isn’t part of the Biblical Cannon, some scholars would care to differ. The Book of Enoch is referred to, and quoted, in Jude 14-15:

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these [men], saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

Compare this with Enoch 1:9, translated from the Ethiopic (found also in Qumran scroll 4Q204=4QEnochc ar, col I 16-18):

"And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

The New Testament testifies to the Book of Enoch’s influence among the Apostles. If the Book of Enoch is inspired of God, one has to take serious consideration that God left it out of the Bible for a reason. Only the most serious and studious of the faith should begin to tackle the secrets contained in this book.

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Interesting post.

I've often argued that life doesn't start at conception as most proclaim. Many get pretty aghast when I say that. However, I feel that to say that life begins at conception is to focus on biological processes and remove the creator from the equation. I've always argued that life begins in the heart and mind of God, biological processes simply follow his will in regards to when that life enters the world. At what point a "soul" comes to life prior to conception and what form of awareness it possesses is beyond my knowledge. I just thought I'd share that because your post brought those thoughts to my mind.

Now... regarding the term "sons of God" in the OT and "sons of God" in the NT. The terms are the same in the English but quite different in the original tongues. The Hebrew "sons of God" is "bene-ha-elohim", denoting divine beings or angels. We see the reference in Job speaking directly about angels. In the NT the language doesn't point to angels, but rather to human beings who have become joint heirs with Christ Jesus. The two are very different things. To equate the two by saying that the "sons of God" were the righteous line of "Seth" is to ignore this reality.

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There is an eye-witness account of heaven that bears this out. Jesse Duplantis has been there! :lol

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Hey no problem but when it comes to UFO's and ET's call me doubting Thomas. I won't say they don't exist but unless I see one, I don't buy it. I heard one person years back say that Ezekiel was describing a helicopter.:D

Personally I see this as symbolism and since it's over 2,000 + years old, it's gonna take some work and research to find out what exactly he's talking about. A spiritual description of the laver and the altar with wheels is the only thing that makes sense if you look up some of the words in the Hebrew..

From what I've experienced the "Bible Box" is typically something physical and literal, rarely is it ever Spiritual..

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I'm sorry, but I don't believe God left it out, God never took credit for creating a collection of books called the bible. :grampa"And to you I bestow this bible and to the Catholics i bestow this bible"...wasn't it Constantine or whom ever. Regardless Men put this library together to unite the faith, and some books were left out simply because they didn't fit into the time-line. What about the catholic bible with Maccabees and the Torah. That's just 2 examples of commonly accepted inspired books that encompass a different library or bible. Also I don't believe the bible is complete either. I'm not going to take another man's word for what I should or should not read or deem acceptable inspired literature. If it was good enough for Paul and the writers of Jude, then it's good enough for me.:angry1:drawguns

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All good points and well said. lol

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I see Ezekiel's vision as spiritual symbolism too.

Regarding UFO's and ET's.... Alien Obsession is a great book that addresses these things. It appears that these things may be a spiritual delusion. Reason being our "space brothers" appear to always relay a message contrary to the Gospel, but in line with New Age thinking. This is why you'll find books on UFO's and ET's in the Occult section at the book store. Pagans have legends of flying long ships and "gods" blah, blah, blah. I think it's the same ol' girl, different dress.

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and you may be surprised of what you find when you look up that dress. lol
My stance is that I don't necessarily believe in UFO's and stuff, but I do believe in the possibility.

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EXCELLENT post, I agre with much of this. :thumbsup It certainly makes MORe sense that by overreaching as many do, to speak of UFOish, alien vehicle(s)., I believe that to stem from overactive imagination(s) that have no respect for things that only GOD has any business knowing of. I also agree with Aquila's "spiritual delusion" post above the other post above. ;)

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If you will, please allow me to re-post the passage in question with a translation that I think is far less confusing than most traditional wordings.

Gen 6:1 And it came to be, when Adam began to increase on the face of the ground [adamah], and daughters were born to them,

Gen 6:2 that the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were good. And they took women for themselves of all whom they chose.

Gen 6:3 And YHWH said, “My Spirit [ruach] shall not strive with Adam forever in his going astray. He is flesh, and his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam and they bore children to them. Those were the courageous who were of old, the men of name.

Gen 6:5 And YHWH saw that the wickedness of Adam was great in the land [erets], and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 6:6 And YHWH was sorry that He had made Adam on the land [erets], and He was grieved in His heart.


I say this is less confusing, because the terminology is more cut and dry--left intact, not clouded quite as much with traditional English literature, which has bred a considerable amount of supposition on the part of every side taken in interpreting this Scripture.

One camp insists that the sons of Elohim are naughty angels, noting that they are seen elsewhere in Scripture, presenting themselves to YHWH. They are, however, never referred to as such. We have simply assumed that everyone and everything that is seen in the presence of God is an "angel." This is not the case--the Hebrews had no sacred terminology. Every word they used had a meaning, and what we have translated "angel" is no different. A spirit, or a person, or whatever else, is called a "messenger" because he fulfills that purpose. The sons of Elohim are not sent as envoys, and they are not called "messengers."

Nevertheless, this view is supported by the controversial "Book of Enoch," written down in the 2nd century B.C. Because this work is quoted in the epistle of Jude, those who wish to gain credibility from it insist that it is the Word of God in its entirety. Anyone who reads this work, however, notices a sharp change in its nature after the 5th chapter, immediately leaping from prophecy and proverbial philosophy to a mythical epic of various pagan-god-like beings who skip down from heaven to breed with women and set all of mankind in disarray. All of this happening, of course, after Enoch is clearly said to have ascended in Genesis.

Aside from all of this, consider God Himself. Where is the justice in what God is doing under this paradigm? God allows his angels to descend to earth, take women and breed with them. Mankind has no power to stop them, and mankind is, naturally, corrupted by them. Somehow this is man's fault? God is going to kill every man, woman, child, and beast on the face of the planet for the insubordination of his messengers, which the victims of his judgment were powerless to stop? That sounds like a tyrant to me.

On the other hand, to escape these wild tantrums of human imagination, some wish to argue that these "Sons of God" are the line of Seth, who loved God, but then polluted their lineage by marrying riotous pagan women from Cain's seed. This claim has its own problems.

First, why didn't the Scripture just say "sons of Seth?" Secondly, this view ignores another important detail from the original language, which English translations would do well not to hide:

The Scripture says, "The Sons of Elohim saw the daughters of Adam." The sons of Seth were the sons of Adam. The daughters of Cain were also the daughters of Adam. The problem here is not that the daughters of Adam were corrupting the Sons of Elohim, but that the daughters of Adam were given to the Sons of Elohim, and Adam is corrupted as a result.

Both sides make a couple of other assumptions based on Christian tradition and our own interpretation of the English. Both sides read "God" and assume that it is referring to...well, God. "Elohim," however, has its own meaning, and "God" covers only part of that meaning's conveyance to English. The same thing goes for Adam.

Also, both sides assume, and dogmatically insist, that immediately after Adam's fall there were only 2 human beings walking the entire planet. Not only would this view require Eve to reproduce like an insect, but it denies the clear and unmistakable fact that the Bible places Adam in a world where he and his children are not the only people who exist.

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Jesus said angels don't marry so this passage can simply be interpreted, sons of the righteous had children with daughters of the unrighteous, meaning people not literally angels from heaven. This is obviously a metaphor, unless we are misinterpreting what Jesus said below.

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

I personally don't believe the angels in heaven have reproductive organs because they are spirits...

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While Jesus implies that angels "neither marry, nor are given in marriage", Christ nowhere indicates that angels are incapable of taking a physical form, nor does Jesus indicate what they are or are not capable of while in that physical form. All Christ's words specify is that angels do not marry. The Scriptures show Jacob wrestling with an angel until the breaking of the day. Obviously physical, tangible, and capable of fighting. We see two angels visiting Abraham with the LORD. While visiting Abraham these angelic beings were served food and did eat.

Genesis 18:1-8
{18:1} And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of
Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
{18:2} And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three
men stood by him: and when he saw [them,] he ran to meet
them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the
ground, {18:3} And said, My Lord, if now I have found
favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy
servant: {18:4} Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and
wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: {18:5}
And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your
hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come
to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
{18:6} And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and
said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal,
knead [it,] and make cakes upon the hearth. {18:7} And
Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and
good, and gave [it] unto a young man; and he hasted to
dress it. {18:8} And he took butter, and milk, and the calf
which he had dressed, and set [it] before them; and he stood
by them under the tree, and they did eat.

If angels can eat while manifested in physical form on earth, what other biological functions are they capable of? I’m proposing to you that whatever form they take is complete and fully functional because we have no indication otherwise. Yes, if an angel remained in physical form long enough, he’d have to use the bathroom after eating. And so, I present to you that, if an angel was manifested in physical form, they could copulate. No doubt this would be a grievous sin in God’s eyes. And indeed it was.

The term “sons of God” is used in Job in relation to angelic beings:

Job 1:6
{1:6} Now there was a day when the sons of God came to
present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also
among them.

Writings from ancient times such as Josephus and others indicate that it was the common opinion of the ancients that the “sons of God” (bene-ha elohim) were angelic beings. Those who lived in the culture wherein the Scripture was written, and actually read and wrote the language it was written in, testify to the fact that the “sons of God” were angelic beings.

The opinion you espouse (the sons of Seth theory) doesn’t add up. First, why would they be called the “sons of God” if doing such wickedness? Second, why would their children be giants?

Also we have the testimony of the New Testament:

2 Peter 2:4
{2:4} For if God spared not the angels that
sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them]
into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

We know that this isn’t speaking about Satan and the demonic forces we wrestle with today, because they are not bound and are in fact warring against God and destroying mankind as we speak. So who are these “angels that sinned”? And what was their sin? Notice, Peter speaks of it as a presupposition. That means the readers knew exactly what Peter was talking about. This means that this sinful class of angels is indeed mentioned in Scripture. So the question is now, where in Scripture are these angels and their sin mentioned? You leave it an open ended mystery and thereby we are less informed than those Peter wrote to and are left guessing. Those of us who hold the angelic theory have the answer.

Let’s get a little more specific. What was the nature of the sin these angels perpetrated? Jude says something interesting…

Jude 1:6
{1:6} And the angels which kept not their first
estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in
everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the
great day. {1:7} Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the
cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to
fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an
example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

While the text doesn’t specifically say, we read how these fallen angels are implicated along with Sodom and Gomorrha, who gave themselves over to fornication, and went after "strange flesh". The implication…sexual sin. It is implied that these angels had unlawful copulation. Now, where else in Scripture would we find this but Genesis 6?

Not to mention, the “bene-ha-elohim” angelic theory is part of comprehensive demonology acknowledged by the ancients in the Dead See Scrolls. You see, we are not merely dealing with superiorly intelligent and diabolical fallen angels, but we are dealing with rather impish and simple minded “unclean spirits”. Without becoming far more involved than necessary, “unclean spirits”, were regarded to be the spirits of the “giants”, the Nephilim. When these drowned in the flood, their spirits were released from their bodies. Being neither human nor devil there was no place assigned unto them. Therefore they were left to roam this world’s spiritual wasteland. These spirits seek bodies to inhabit. Why? They wish to live once more so that they can live out their lusts. When a person, “sins”, they position themselves as targets for these “unclean spirits”. If these spirits oppress, isolate, and possess a person, they will drive them deeper and deeper into sin until the individual is destroyed. Many lives and families have been wrecked by these spiritual locusts. Once the sinful individual dies, their soul is lost.

We don’t wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers. These are just one class of “demon” we are up against. Now, we’re down the road of discussing the value of both prayer and fasting in “deliverance” sessions. These are frightening and I’ve only attended two. But Jesus said specifically,

Mark 16:17
{16:17} And these signs shall follow them that believe; In
my name shall they cast out devils;…

Deliverance from demonic forces is an essential part of Christian ministry. The New Testament is riddled with accounts of Christ and/or the Apostles casting out devils. I believe that this is such a vague ministry in today’s church because we don’t understand exactly what we’re up against.

One last point, the Book of Enoch is DIRECTLY referenced in Jude 14-15:

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these [men], saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

Compare this with Enoch 1:9, translated from the Ethiopic (found also in Qumran scroll 4Q204=4QEnochc ar, col I 16-18):

"And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

Why would the Book of Enoch be DIRECTLY referenced in Holy Scripture if it is of absolutely no value??? I believe they knew something we didn’t. Is it possible that God chose not to allow the Book of Enoch to be published with the Cannon to separate it for only the qualified?

The Book of Enoch’s antiquity is established by it’s fragments being found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. So the student has to be the prayerful judge.

The problem is, as I see it, that many today shy away from the supernatural. Things that are disturbing or unexplainable are quickly given more “natural” meanings. I think this comes from lack of faith.

Thoughts anyone???

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Interesting and entertaining but I just don't buy it.

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It only makes sense that angels cannot procreate. Otherwise, we have God creating angels with ability to procreate and disallowing them from doing it!

I think it's a case where flesh tends towards sensationalism.

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That's where faith in God's Word comes in. It's difficult to believe in a six day creation and a global flood also. Not to mention... a man raised from the dead in three days.

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Angels around God's throne are called "beasts" and have "beastlike" appearances and qualities to them. Evil spirits are referred to as "hateful birds". But I digress on that one...

Consider this... I never said that angels could procreate. I said that the Scripture hints that angels can procreate when taking a physical form. If an angel can eat and wrestle...who's to say what else an angel can do when in physical form. And certainly if an angel's phyisical form is fully functional...God would forbid interbreeding and sinful acts. That's a given rather they can reproduce or not.

I think the ancients understood a lot more about the spirit world that contradict some of our spit and polished Neoplatonic notions.

Question...

If an angel took a physical form of a man...would that form be fully functional? Would that angel in human form have all the anatomy of a human male? Would it be functional? The ancients apparently believed the answer to be... yes.

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Another way to look at it is spiritual discernment. I have more faith in the Spirit of God that is leading and guiding me into all truth than just looking at words on a page and interpreting everything as literal...

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One valid interpretation I've studied out is that the term "sons of God" isn't talking about "Seth" but the term is a title that rulers took upon themselves, sort of claiming divinity. These "sons of God" (kings claiming divinity) took wives all of which they chose and their children where the "giants". Perhaps these were rulers because of their stature and strength and their children had the same traits. I find that plausible but it still denies the interpretation held by the ancients.

Here's an interesting link to review on the angelic theory by a Oneness Pentecostal...

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/genesis6.htm

There's so much to the spiritual realms. I don't doubt for a moment that we see an angelic fall here.

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If you do a little research you will find out that where we have the word "giants" in our bible translations, the actual Hebrew word is "nephelim" and the actually meaning of the word "nephelim" is "the fallen, or the fallen ones" and not "giants". If you look the word "nephelim" up on wikipedia it will confirm this and goes pretty deep. Some might not like what they find though - or at least find some of the possibilities hard to swallow.

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Indeed this is the clincher.

Jude 6 You also know that the angels who did not keep within their proper domain but abandoned their own place of residence, he has kept in eternal chains in utter darkness, locked up for the judgment of the great Day. 7 So also Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring towns, since they indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in a way similar to these angels, are now displayed as an example by suffering the punishment of eternal fire. 8 Yet these men, as a result of their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and insult the glorious ones. – NET Bible (emphasis added)

Those who ridicule the teaching of the fallen angels coming to Earth never attempt to explain this. The "sons of Seth" explanation falls flat when compared to this direct scripture about angels leaving their original place.

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(Translations according to New International Version. Note that translations frequently differ. In the King James Version of the Bible, "Nephilim" is translated as "giants" in the following examples.)

The term "Nephilim" occurs just twice in the Hebrew Bible, both in the Torah. The first is Genesis 6:1-4, immediately before the Noah's ark story:

1. When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
2. the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
4. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.


If you go back to Genesis 5 it reads:
Genesis 5

Genesis 5

1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:


*notice verse 4 says that Adam lived for 800 more years after he had Seth and Adam had sons and daughters.

*notice verse 1 says very plainly "these are the generations of Adam IN THE DAY THAT GOD CREATED MAN.

*notice verse makes the extra effort to point out that this son that Adam begat was in his likeness, and after his image. The reason I point this out is because I believe "after his image" has to do with having the same character as Adam, and Adam being made in the image of GOD and having GOD'S character would not be violent, a murderer, etc.
**A good question to bring up is why does chapter 5 say that these are the generations of Adam and start with Seth instead of Cain? If you read in Genesis 4 it tells us that Cain has a lineage, so why are they not listed along with Cain as part of the generations of Adam?

Genesis 4 also tells us that:
25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

*notice again a reflection of the character of the line of Seth - "then began men to call upon the name of the LORD"

When I started to write this it was to share with you about the nephelim and how some believe that "the fallen" refers to angels etc. (see wikipedia definition of "nephelim" or other sources) but as I was researching in the bible, I came across what I have been sharing with you instead - it is just Food For Thought, and definitely probably a completely different angle. Here is the rest of it -

**notice other verses from Genesis 4:

1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. 6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. 18And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

19And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 20And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. 21And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. 22And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. 23And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. 24If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

***some of the things to notice here are:
*Cain builds a city, names it after his son, when the lineage of Seth do not name things after themselves.

*Cains lineage continues on and when it reaches Lamech, we see he is the first one listed in the bible to actually have two wives at the same time. When we read the generations of Adam it lists their first born son by name, tells how many years they lived after their first born son was born and says that they had many sons and daughters. Later in Genesis we read of Abraham took a second wife only after Sarah had died.

*Notice the detail it gives us on the children that are born to Lamech between his two wives. It doesn't just give us there names like the others, but tells you they are the fathers of music and musical instruments, skilled in the making and manipulation of metals or brass and iron(to be specific it says that Tubalcain was an instructor of EVERY ARTIFICER IN BRASS AND IRON.

**artificer - 1 a skillful maker of things;skilled craftsman 2 a person who devises;inventor
(and Tubalcain was an instructor to EVERY ARTIFICER, meaning he taught all of them)

**artifice - artist, master of a trade

and "artifice" is where we get the word "artificial"

*** artificial - 1 made by human work or art,not by nature; not natural
2 made in imitation of or as a substitute for something
natural; simulated

* notice the very last verses concerning Cain and his descedents also has to do with Lamech proclaiming to both of his wives that he is killed what appears to be two people(for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.) and for some reason if Cain was protected from vengeance 7 fold according to his reasoning he should be protected seventy and seven fold.(Point being here we also have violence and murder being recorded.)


Now go back to Genesis 6 as it is translated properly from the Hebrew:

1. When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
2. the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
4. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

*** If the sons of GOD were Seth and his descendants why would the previous chapter of Genesis (chapter 5) list the descendants of Adam the way that it does and as the descendants of Adam(man). And why in ch.5 say that each one begat sons and daughters as though they are the same, and then the next chapter as though they were different (begat sons and daughters, sons of GOD & daughters of man)?

*** why would it proclaim of Seth and his descendants "then man began to call on the name of the LORD" and also be referring to them as "nephelim(the fallen)?

***notice it says they saw the daughters of man and took unto them wives (plural) according to their choosing.


*** perhaps it is a mystery because everyone has been looking at it backwards. Maybe where we need to look more closely is at Cain and where did he get all his ungodly attributes from. A tiller of the ground, was told the ground would not bring forth because it was cursed by his spilling his brothers blood.

Of course all the bible says is that Cain was a tiller of the ground and that he brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. Everyone assumes that means fruit from trees. What if it was gold, and other gems and stones that were beautiful that he had dug up while he was tilling(mining,digging) in the ground.
**Maybe that's why GOD rejected his offering - because he wasn't growing anything, but digging and tearing up the natural earth. It isn't as hard to accept as a possibility when we rememind ourselves that his children were the masters of brass and iron

brass- Brass is any alloy of copper and zinc; the proportions of zinc and copper can be varied to create a range of brasses with varying properties

***and Brass is a substitutional alloy. It is used for decoration for its bright gold-like appearance; for applications where low friction is required such as locks, gears, bearings, doorknobs, ammunition, and valves; for plumbing and electrical applications; and extensively in musical instruments such as horns and bells for its acoustic properties.

I apologize for the length of this but it is hard to cut short. Like I said it is just FOOD FOR THOUGHT -

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Who said cherubims were angels? These four beasts proclaim the blood redeemed them from all nations in Rev 5:9-10. I do not believe angels are cherubims.

We need plain teaching to this effect, though, I think.

I always believed angels could take on physical form any time they wanted. It was [part of their creation purpose.

I think that is too much assumption in light of the plain statement that angels are not given in marriage, and I would think that statement took into consideration the many times in the past when angels appeared.