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What gives Apostolics the right to ask the same question that was asked of those by Paul in Acts 19? Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?I just ask this because at the time these people were filled with the holyghost Paul had to lay hands on them before it could happen...So why do Apostolics ask this question they are not Paul although alot of them think they are..

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I'm "pel" - that's pretty close to "Paul."

Are you saying that there was a gift dispensed to these believers that is unavailable to believers today because Paul (and presumably the rest of the apostles) are all dead now?

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I did not say that you did pel.....lol but basically yes that is correct.. I mean think about it you have 12 people praying over someone 6 of them in them Preachers and Evangalist and they still cannot get someone filled with the holyghost....So I will ask my question again.. Why ask the Acts 19 question if you cannot put your hands on someone and give them the holyghost as Paul did.....

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Saints (not preachers) in my church lay hands on people all the time and they receive the Holy Ghost. They don't GIVE it, God gives it, but they are the ones that do the laying on of hands.

They also don't scream, spit, push, pull, slap under the chin, coach them to say something over and over and over, or have to pray with people for hours in order for them to receive it. Average time of receipt is less than 10 minutes. Often alot less.

This is the NORM at my church. Not sure what or where you are talking about.

So...just what is it that are you griping about again?

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Who do you think the last person was to receive the Holy Ghost, and when did God stop allowing those who received it to "pass it on?"

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KWSS... In Acts 10 no one had hands laid on them and they received the Holy Ghost. However, what is more impressive is that everyone who had hands laid on them by apostles received the Holy Ghost (Acts 8, Acts 19). In fact, it even appears the presence of an apostle was required for the Holy Ghost to fall in Acts 8, because God chose not to save any of those people (by the 3-stepper method) until an apostle came on the scene.

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I guess the obvious question would be, then: Who were the "apostles?" What were the qualifications that made them such?

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The only ones we know of are the 12 and Paul. The new testament seems to imply there are others but it does not give any qualifications for them. It doesn't really elaborate on the differences of any of the offices either.

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I did a quick search, and I had to wonder...who got left out? I suppose this is referring to the original 12, including the one who replaced Judas.

Revelations 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Paul [Saul] presumably received the Holy Ghost at the hands of Ananias, who was not among that number.

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We do not know how, where or when Paul received the Holy Ghost. The account with Ananias does not say.

You are right that Revelations speaks only of 12 apostles. It almost implies that there are just 12 apostles...

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Acts 1:21-26. And then Paul was called and ordained as an apostles later after having seen the risen Lord. The other apostles all confirmed Paul position as such.

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The "foundation" upon which the church is built can be seen as the ministry and testimony of "the Twelve" (Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Cornerstone). They are the symbolic representation of the Twelve Patriarchs of the people of Israel.

I suppose, that just as the children of the patriarchs shared in the name, position and authority as members of the "people of God" in OT times, so also might the spiritual children of the apostles be seen in a similar way.

Historically, the whole thing had to get started some how. Real human beings living real lives were impacted and placed into situations where they and their actions became the "foundation" of what was to follow.

In the OT it was the patriarchs and their natural progeny. In the NT it is "the Twelve" and their spiritual heirs.

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You're right, it doesn't say, explicitly, but it seems implied. (To me.)

Act 9:17-18 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. ...And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

No doubt that Paul was an apostle...but is this passage about him? :blink

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So what is the real point here? Why we ask the same question or laying on hands by Apostles?

BTW what gives evangelicals the right to quote Paul? How come they can quote Paul but we can't?

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, and your household.

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Well, that cleared things up for me.

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:toofunny

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Good question Prax.

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No. I should have stressed the "AND THEN" part. Acts 1, happened and the number of "The Twelve" was replenished. AND THEN (years later) the circumstances involving Paul took place.

Paul was called to salvation when the number of the Twelve remained intact. Then James was killed in Acts 12:1. Many have suggested that this was the impetus for Paul's elevation to apostleship, though of course the text is silent about that.

And, the office of an apostle appears to be something different from the "Foundation of the Apostles" or being numbered in "The Twelve."

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I shall punish you for your insolence! :razz

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The blood of the lamb, He paid for the price not just for Apostolics, but all believers to ask such questions...