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Nuts. I don't believe any of it is "real". It's not even good acting in my opinion.

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I was shocked to find out there were people there with him. I thought he had to be doing all this by himself. NO! There were real ???? live people there listening to him. What a dunce! Will people really follow this kind of mess???

For me to believe it's "real" somebody's gonna have to give me a new definition for real!

BT

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I am continually amazed at the people who find employment in this area.

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Is he oinking like a pig?

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Disturbing

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.....don't care to see it.

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At least he's not UPC, as he has a beard.

:tic

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Oh, you have to try this: click on the video to go to the YouTube site and play the video there. While it's playing, click on the little soccer ball, in the lower right of the player. Don't ask why, just do it! It's awesome!

(I suspect that the button will not be ther for much longer, once the World Cup is done. So don't wait!)

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....Oh, well in that case......

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Bi-locate????:ursofunny

Man, I wanna do that. He was in Ireland and Georgia at the same time. Just think of all the work I could get done AND post on AFF constantly!!!

I love this stuff!!! I always thought UPCers were crazy until I discovered the charismatic world. They make UPCers seem like boring, fundamental orthodox candle-lighters.

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bi-locate?

I didn't watch the video.

I'm not sure how the term "bi-locate" is used.

However, there are stories of some of the "saints" who have appeared in more than one place at the same time. This is usually explained as that the person was not literally in two locations at once but God granted someone a vision of that person who came to comfort or encourage and did not physically leave the place where they were.

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I saw this video before and didn't get past the first 10 seconds.

I watched it again. At first I laughed so hard. It was quite funny. Then it hit me at how sad this was. At how misguided he and these people are. It was a deep sadness.

Just a few quotations for you from the video:

"...Fat friar tuck bar angels, yanking on your arms..."

"oink oink or oy oy" was his version of glossalalia I suppose.

He talked about some guy named Jeff's bi-location story, being in 2 places at once. Claims he showed up in Ireland when he was also in Georgia.

He talked about a time when he could levitate, and said "give it all to me."

Told the congregants to grab their neighbors arm and to find their vein! He begins tapping his forearm like a drug dealer, and tells them to shoot up, "jesus on the main line, tell him what you want."

He claims in one city that diamonds were showing up all over the floor and that when they'd pick them up and they'd disappeared.


He claims to have experienced a literal supernatural indoor rain that soaked them.

"get whacked, stay whacked and don't go back."

"Toking the ghost."

"Jehovawanna"

They began pretending to toke and passing around fake grass. Telling the saints to pass it around. This church is as crazy as him.

He's either one or multiple of the following:

Mentally ill
A Charlatan
A Druggie
An Alcoholic
Possessed himself
A fraud

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I didn't watch the whole thing...survived only until the bi-location hooey, which I seriously wanna be able to do!!:lol

But you're right...how horribly sad this is. I'm not sure which is sadder, the kook doing the kooky stuff, or the kooks supporting the kooky stuff. The only way the Peter Popoffs are able to survive is because people show up and pay him. Mutually sad.

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So, is this kind of thing a matter of opinion? Is it personal taste? Are some opinions more valid than others?

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Mine always is!!:lol

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:ursofunny

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Yeah, we really don't need a theological breakdown on this one to see that it's kooky. It's quite obvious. There's no point to it all, he's all over the map, and I sincerely do question if he may be a user. Like it's very possible he showed up to this high on something.

But if we wanted to take a theolgical route with it, we certainly could.

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I wouldn't be surprised and he wouldn't be the first.

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Sure, maybe this one is extreme enough that almost everyone could agree. But there are others that, for example, some believers might think was kooky but you'd think was a perfectly normal expression of worship, or of a manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

But even this video proves that it would be virtually impossible to get complete agreement! The people in that man's congregation seemed to be fine with it. (Even there, I'm sure it wasn't unanimous. There had to be a lot of folks thinking to themselves "he has got to be kidding"! :lol)

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Yeah, I think it's extreme enough.

I understand the rest of your point. Christianity itself seems kooky to some. Spirit manifestation aside, that these people huddle together and celebrate the life of a man that they honestly can't believe resurrected seems kooky. None of us are completely exempt from this tag. I just think we collectively see this as an extreme example.

And you know, we ought to continue a conversation about the intent of our times "in the Spirit." Those that are more charismatic in practice should constantly make sure all that we do points to Jesus, and use the teachings of Paul as a guidepost along the way. The Bible is not the destination, it's the compass. (Those that look to the Bible as a destination, I call this Biblioatry), but it's Christ in us.... pardon my tangent, but here we go.... the book Jesus Manifesto perhaps fired me up, here's an excerpt:

What is Christianity? It is Christ. Nothing more. Nothing less. Christianity is not an ideology. Christianity is not a philosophy. Christianity is the “good news” that Beauty, Truth and Goodness are found in a person. Biblical community is founded and found on the connection to that person. Conversion is more than a change in direction; it’s a change in connection. Jesus’ use of the ancient Hebrew word shubh, or its Aramaic equivalent, to call for “repentance” implies not viewing God from a distance, but entering into a relationship where God is command central of the human connection.

We believe that the major disease of the church today is JDD: Jesus Deficit Disorder. The person of Jesus is increasingly politically incorrect, and is being replaced by the language of “justice,” “the kingdom of God,” “values,” and “leadership principles.” Actually, I'm going to post a separate thread with the Manifesto on it.

But getting back to your point, it's a point well taken. We are all vulnerable of the "kooky" label. But in extreme cases like this, it's not a difficult conclusion, even for men and women who work with the charismata. The goal is to question if the happenings are ultimately pointing to Jesus, or making a show of one's self.

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This is/was more typical of the Trinitarian "Holy Laughter" and "Vineyard" craze. Did this guy ever even preach/teach the scriptures

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What does Trinitarian have to do with anything?????

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What does beards or UPC have to do with anything? :crazy

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Huh??

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This is a post about a particular guy that is beyond eccentric, but is just plain "off" and kooky. I'm not sure what Trinitarianism has to do with anything. Most would know Vineyard as Vineyard. Not "Oneness Vineyard" and "Trinity Vineyard." Just seemd irrelevant.

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As opposed to typical Oneness something or other? Not sure I get this. I have oneness friends that do that laughing thing. Maybe it is called Holy Laughter, I don't know. They pray for someone and then start laughing and it gets everyone distracted and staring at them. Oneness or Trinitarian, it all ends up the same thing to me.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It was really irrelevant.

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Jeff and SO, I think Prax was responding to the implication that this type of stuff is similarly found in UPC/Oneness churches (were it not for a beard).

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Huh?????

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I guess he should get familiar with the reply function. Matching his post to one random comment by Justin in 3 pages is a hard connection to make.

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Uh, yeah. You don't see the Holy Magic Hair stuff in Trinitarian circles. It's usually more typical of Oneness.

Im talking about the video and his behavior, this is MORE TYPICAL of Trinitarian churches and groups. I never said you won't see it in any Oneness group. :banghead

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Exactly.

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Sheesh, so defensive.

Whoever made this about Oneness people vs. Trinity people. Only you.

And it's even more typical of charismatic churches that are mostly demographically white. :toofunny What's the point.

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That's my feelings exactly.

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Who are you talking to?

You're an old-timer on AFF. So, as a refresher, when you're making a general comment, you can just reply in the little box at the bottom. If you're replying to someone specifically, you use the reply feature on their post.

Makes things a whole lot clearer for all of us.

Cheers.

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Hoovie already explained someone else brought up the UPC and beards, as to the content of this video and Im simply pointing out this was more typical of the Trinitarian "vineyard" movements. No need to become belligerent Jeffy

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Belligerent? No need to exaggerate.

The guy that brought it up wasn't throwing rocks at the UPC, for the record.

Furthermore, no one usually says "Trinitarian vineyard" when referring to the Vineyard brothers and sisters. I found that odd.

Doesn't have to be a "one up" for the Oneness vs. Trinny game that people make-up and play in their head. I think all on AFF and most of Christendom would be shocked by the video.

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Whoaooo! eeeeewwwwoooww yeeel oink oink.


Anyone join me for an OBE? It's psychedelic up here dudes!

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Pass the grass...

Jesus on the mainline tell him what you want!