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SRM 06-29-2010 07:04 PM
From Dust to Dust
 
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; and man hath no preeminence above the beasts: for all is vanity.

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Believe it or not there are some here who would argue with Solomon here :)

Sam 06-29-2010 07:23 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
submitted online by the mother of a four year old

The Sermon I think this Mom will never forget...this particular Sunday sermon.....'Dear Lord,' the minister began, with arms extended toward heaven and a rapturous look on his upturned face. 'Without you, we are but dust...' He would have continued but at that moment my very obedient daughter who was listening leaned over to me and asked quite audibly in her shrill little four year old girl voice, 'Mom, what is butt dust?'

SRM 06-29-2010 08:21 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam (Post 930849)
submitted online by the mother of a four year old

The Sermon I think this Mom will never forget...this particular Sunday sermon.....'Dear Lord,' the minister began, with arms extended toward heaven and a rapturous look on his upturned face. 'Without you, we are but dust...' He would have continued but at that moment my very obedient daughter who was listening leaned over to me and asked quite audibly in her shrill little four year old girl voice, 'Mom, what is butt dust?'
LOL good one Sam!

Sneekee 06-30-2010 06:34 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
I think we could stand to quote this passage with a little more context, and with consistent terminology:

Ecc 3:16 Then again I saw under the sun: In the place of right-ruling, wrongness was there. And in the place of righteousness, wrongness was there.

Ecc 3:17 I said in my heart, “Elohim judges the righteous and the wrong, for there is a time for every matter and for every work.”

Ecc 3:18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the matter of the sons of Adam, Elohim selects them, so as to see that they themselves are behemah.”

Ecc 3:19 For the event of the sons of Adam is also the event of behemah – one event befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Indeed, they all have one ruach– Adam has no advantage over behemah. For all is futile.

Ecc 3:20 All are going to one place – all came from the dust, and all return to dust.

Ecc 3:21 Who knows the ruach of the sons of Adam, which goes upward, and the ruach of behemah, which goes down to the earth?

SRM 06-30-2010 08:05 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneekee (Post 931876)
I think we could stand to quote this passage with a little more context, and with consistent terminology:

Ecc 3:16 Then again I saw under the sun: In the place of right-ruling, wrongness was there. And in the place of righteousness, wrongness was there.

Ecc 3:17 I said in my heart, “Elohim judges the righteous and the wrong, for there is a time for every matter and for every work.”

Ecc 3:18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the matter of the sons of Adam, Elohim selects them, so as to see that they themselves are behemah.”

Ecc 3:19 For the event of the sons of Adam is also the event of behemah – one event befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Indeed, they all have one ruach– Adam has no advantage over behemah. For all is futile.

Ecc 3:20 All are going to one place – all came from the dust, and all return to dust.

Ecc 3:21 Who knows the ruach of the sons of Adam, which goes upward, and the ruach of behemah, which goes down to the earth?
Yes...very much agree..I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will oneday be ressurected..It is very clear,Adam was made from the dust and it would be to the dust He would return why?..Some say because He sinned,but does the scripture teach this?..I do not think so..God told Adam He would return to the dust because..from OUT OF IT thou was taken..

Rev 06-30-2010 08:19 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SRM (Post 931946)
Yes...very much agree..I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will oneday be ressurected..It is very clear,Adam was made from the dust and it would be to the dust He would return why?..Some say because He sinned,but does the scripture teach this?..I do not think so..God told Adam He would return to the dust because..from OUT OF IT thou was taken..
(1Co 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Joh 3:6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

SeekingOne 06-30-2010 09:55 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam (Post 930849)
submitted online by the mother of a four year old

The Sermon I think this Mom will never forget...this particular Sunday sermon.....'Dear Lord,' the minister began, with arms extended toward heaven and a rapturous look on his upturned face. 'Without you, we are but dust...' He would have continued but at that moment my very obedient daughter who was listening leaned over to me and asked quite audibly in her shrill little four year old girl voice, 'Mom, what is butt dust?'
:killinme

Sneekee 07-01-2010 04:29 AM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SRM (Post 931946)
Yes...very much agree..I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will oneday be ressurected..It is very clear,Adam was made from the dust and it would be to the dust He would return why?..Some say because He sinned,but does the scripture teach this?..I do not think so..God told Adam He would return to the dust because..from OUT OF IT thou was taken..
I think Biblical consistency leads the student plainly to a spiritual resurrection, but dispensationalism, when a society is so strongly permeated with it, must be peeled off of a person in layers like an onion.

But about this "dust" from which Adam was taken--

Gen 3:14 And YHWH Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all the behemah and more than every animal of the field. On your belly you are to go, and eat dust all the days of your life.

Isa 65:25 “Wolf and lamb feed together, a lion eats straw as an ox, and dust is the snake’s food. They shall do no evil, nor destroy in all My set-apart mountain,” said YHWH.

Do snakes eat dirt for food?

SteppingStone 07-01-2010 12:21 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneekee (Post 932116)
I think Biblical consistency leads the student plainly to a spiritual resurrection, but dispensationalism, when a society is so strongly permeated with it, must be peeled off of a person in layers like an onion.

But about this "dust" from which Adam was taken--

Gen 3:14 And YHWH Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all the behemah and more than every animal of the field. On your belly you are to go, and eat dust all the days of your life.

Isa 65:25 “Wolf and lamb feed together, a lion eats straw as an ox, and dust is the snake’s food. They shall do no evil, nor destroy in all My set-apart mountain,” said YHWH.

Do snakes eat dirt for food?
It's an allegory to say that Satan feeds off the deeds of our flesh...

Sneekee 07-01-2010 12:32 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteppingStone (Post 932406)
It's an allegory to say that Satan feeds off the deeds of our flesh...
If it's an allegory, then what about Adam, who was taken from the dust?

Aquila 07-01-2010 01:54 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SRM (Post 931946)
Yes...very much agree..I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will oneday be ressurected..It is very clear,Adam was made from the dust and it would be to the dust He would return why?..Some say because He sinned,but does the scripture teach this?..I do not think so..God told Adam He would return to the dust because..from OUT OF IT thou was taken..
Did Jesus resurrect bodily? Is there a body still in the tomb?
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matthew 27:52-54
52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

John 5:27-29
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will not one day be ressurected.

Yes, in death we return to the dust. However, through the quickening power of God through Christ Jesus we shall awaken and arise out of that dust in immortality. To deny this is to teach a half truth. And as my mother always said... a half truth is a whole lie.

Also think of the theological implications of the false teaching that there isn't a resurrection. You'll have a bodily resurrected Christ worshipped by disembodied spirits for all eternity. He becomes the Lord of Ghosts. That's flat out flakey.

Rev 07-01-2010 02:01 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932517)
Did Jesus resurrect bodily? Is there a body still in the tomb?
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matthew 27:52-54
52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

John 5:27-29
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will not one day be ressurected.

Yes, in death we return to the dust. However, through the quickening power of God through Christ Jesus we shall arise out of that dust in immortality. To deny this is to teach a half truth. And as my mother always said... a half truth is a whole lie.
(I Co 15:39) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
(I Co 15:40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
(I Co 15:41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
(I Co 15:42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
(I Co 15:43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
(I Co 15:44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Aquila 07-01-2010 02:08 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rev (Post 932527)
(I Co 15:39) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
(I Co 15:40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
(I Co 15:41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
(I Co 15:42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
(I Co 15:43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
(I Co 15:44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
(I Co 15:39) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
(I Co 15:40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
(I Co 15:41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
(I Co 15:42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
(I Co 15:43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
(I Co 15:44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Just as Christ was raised bodily in incorruption, glory, and power (a spiritual body)... so too will our bodies awaken and arise out of the dust of the earth. Friends... Jesus isn't the Lord of Ghosts. The teaching that there isn't a bodily resurrection is pure foolishness propagated by those who know neither the Scriptures nor the POWER of God. Some just want to latch onto and believe some "new thing". Where are the stable souls that will FIGHT and BELIEVE the Scriptures?

Rev 07-01-2010 02:15 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932537)
(I Co 15:39) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
(I Co 15:40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
(I Co 15:41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
(I Co 15:42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
(I Co 15:43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
(I Co 15:44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Just as Christ was raised bodily in incorruption, glory, and power (a spiritual body)... so too will our bodies awaken and arise out of the dust of the earth. Friends... Jesus isn't the Lord of Ghosts. The teaching that there isn't a bodily resurrection is pure foolishness propagated by those who know neither the Scriptures nor the POWER of God.

(Eph 4:24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

(Col 3:10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

(Eph 3:16) That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
(Eph 3:17) That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

I already have my spiritual body!

Aquila 07-01-2010 02:17 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Paul puts this damnable heresy to rest....
1 Corinthians 15:12-14 (King James Version)
12Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
...yet some, claiming there is no resurrection, are trying to resurrect this ancient Neoplatonic heresy.

Aquila 07-01-2010 02:18 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rev (Post 932559)
(Eph 4:24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

(Col 3:10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

(Eph 3:16) That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
(Eph 3:17) That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

I already have my spiritual body!
Really?... Jesus could appear in a room with the door closed and locked... can you do that? His glorified body walked through the garden after leaving the tomb. Thomas touched his wounds. And he ascended into glory. Can you do that?

Go jump in front of a moving train... we'll see how spiritual your body is.

This sounds like the teaching of some wacked out cult leader.

Rev 07-01-2010 02:20 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932562)
Paul puts this damnable heresy to rest....
1 Corinthians 15:12-14 (King James Version)
12Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
...yet some, claiming there is no resurrection, are trying to resurrect this ancient Neoplatonic heresy.
The resurrection is ongoing! Every time someone comes out of the water in Jesus Name!

(Col 2:12) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

We are raised from death to life in Christ!

Aquila 07-01-2010 02:22 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rev (Post 932568)
The resurrection is ongoing! Every time someone comes out of the water in Jesus Name!

(Col 2:12) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

We are raised from death to life in Christ!
Are you hard of reading? Jesus arose bodily. So will we. Baptism is a symbol of the resurrection, not the resurrection itself. Water worshippers kill me. :ursofunny

Aquila 07-01-2010 02:25 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Next they'll tell us the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Jesus! :ursofunny

Water baptism is the symbol of Christ's resurrection, not the resurrection itself.

Rev 07-01-2010 02:26 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932570)
Are you hard of reading? Jesus arose bodily. So will we. Baptism is a symbol of the resurrection, not the resurrection itself. Water worshippers kill me. :ursofunny
What about us is raised from the dead?

The old body? I think not!

The new man, the inner man is raised from the dead to walk in newness of life.

I could give you a complete bible study but I won't do that either.

Aquila 07-01-2010 02:28 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rev (Post 932575)
What about us is raised from the dead?

The old body? I think not!

The new man, the inner man is raised from the dead to walk in newness of life.
Was Christ's body raised from the dead; glorified, incorruptable, and immortal? Yes or no?

Quote:
I could give you a complete bible study but I won't do that either.
Good, because any study denying the resurrection is a lie from Hell and smells like smoke.

SteppingStone 07-01-2010 02:37 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932517)

I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will not one day be ressurected.
Because spiritual discernment doesn't always agree with natural logic.

Here is something I believe God has been showing me:

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

I'm starting to believe that those that physically rose with Christ in the 1st resurrection, those of whom either died in faith or obedient to the law, are as it says above like angels in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

But then just as the Son in the above passage, they lose the flesh and remain as spiritual beings. It could be that this is where the figurative 1,000 year reign fits in which is simply the time between the cross and the initial outpouring of the Holy Ghost on Pentecost. I say figurative because scripture says one day with the Lord is like 1,000 years and 1,000 years is like one day. When you are in it's forever so to speak.

The 2nd resurrection is simply receiving the Holy Ghost from Pentecost onwards. We have passed from death to life at this point in time and are now part of the New Jerusalem, Grace.

I could be way off but just something I've been meditating on for quite a while in regards to physical and spiritual resurrections...

Aquila 07-01-2010 02:58 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteppingStone (Post 932585)
Because spiritual discernment doesn't always agree with natural logic.

Here is something I believe God has been showing me:

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

I'm starting to believe that those that physically rose with Christ in the 1st resurrection, those of whom either died in faith or obedient to the law, are as it says above like angels in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

But then just as the Son in the above passage, they lose the flesh and remain as spiritual beings. It could be that this is where the figurative 1,000 year reign fits in which is simply the time between the cross and the initial outpouring of the Holy Ghost on Pentecost. I say figurative because scripture says one day with the Lord is like 1,000 years and 1,000 years is like one day. When you are in it's forever so to speak.

The 2nd resurrection is simply receiving the Holy Ghost from Pentecost onwards. We have passed from death to life at this point in time and are now part of the New Jerusalem, Grace.

I could be way off but just something I've been meditating on for quite a while in regards to physical and spiritual resurrections...
Christ is our kinsman redeemer and elder brother. Would all of this apply to him? If not... throw it out. Because we shall be like him. He's not the Lord of Ghosts.

SteppingStone 07-01-2010 03:03 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932608)
Christ is our kinsman redeemer and elder brother. Would all of this apply to him? If not... throw it out. Because we shall be like him. He's not the Lord of Ghosts.
Did you even read it? How do you explain what I quoted in 1 Cor 15?
Please check your fruit in the process, some of your other posts in this thread are very typical of UPC Pharisee-ical jargon and bogus condemnation...

Rev 07-01-2010 03:11 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932565)
Really?... Jesus could appear in a room with the door closed and locked... can you do that? His glorified body walked through the garden after leaving the tomb. Thomas touched his wounds. And he ascended into glory. Can you do that?

Go jump in front of a moving train... we'll see how spiritual your body is.

This sounds like the teaching of some wacked out cult leader.
It appears that you don't read anything and certainly can't answer any of the questions to the scriptures, you just come up with some babel from your carnal nature.

Rev 07-01-2010 03:15 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rev (Post 932635)
It appears that you don't read anything and certainly can't answer any of the questions to the scriptures, you just come up with some babel from your carnal nature.
So glad that you love "water worshipers"

You must really love Paul and Peter....

(Acts 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

If you haven't been baptized in the name of Jesus you are still carrying your sins around.


(Acts 10:47) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
(Acts 10:48) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

SRM 07-01-2010 05:24 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932517)
Did Jesus resurrect bodily? Is there a body still in the tomb?
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matthew 27:52-54
52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

John 5:27-29
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will not one day be ressurected.

Yes, in death we return to the dust. However, through the quickening power of God through Christ Jesus we shall awaken and arise out of that dust in immortality. To deny this is to teach a half truth. And as my mother always said... a half truth is a whole lie.

Also think of the theological implications of the false teaching that there isn't a resurrection. You'll have a bodily resurrected Christ worshipped by disembodied spirits for all eternity. He becomes the Lord of Ghosts. That's flat out flakey.
What is the purpose of a physical ressurection in your opinion? If flesh and blood cannot inherit the KOG there is no need for one to begin with.Jesus was the only man promised no corruption,where do you read saints have the same promise?.It all goes back to the Garden,what kind of death did Adam die?.did God tell Adam He would die two deaths?.Adam was not the first man to physically die,Abel was.Jesus did not come to restore the death of Abel.

It is amazing even though Solomon spelled it out,folks still disagree with one of the smartest man to ever live..He plainly said all come from the dust and all return..

SteppingStone 07-01-2010 05:26 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneekee (Post 932415)
If it's an allegory, then what about Adam, who was taken from the dust?
What about him? What is your question?

SRM 07-01-2010 05:39 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932576)
Was Christ's body raised from the dead; glorified, incorruptable, and immortal? Yes or no?



Good, because any study denying the resurrection is a lie from Hell and smells like smoke.
Can you agree with Paul and say your eschatological hope was the same as Pauls? otherwords is your ressurection hope the same as Pauls?

Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:


Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


Paul says here He believes all things that were written in the Law and the Prophets,Do you believe they predicted physical bodies coming out of the ground? If they did,then Paul most certainly would be teaching a body ressurection in 1 Cor 15.

Act 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Here we have it from Paul..He said the things He believed and taught were from what the Law and Prophets taught..All we got to do is go back and prove from the source Paul had [law and prophets] to see IF they predicted the physical ressurection most churches teach today..it is that simple. I can save you some time by telling you..no they did not..but don't take it from me,check it out for yourself. :)

Aquila 07-02-2010 06:17 AM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteppingStone (Post 932624)
Did you even read it? How do you explain what I quoted in 1 Cor 15?
Please check your fruit in the process, some of your other posts in this thread are very typical of UPC Pharisee-ical jargon and bogus condemnation...
Denial of the resurrection is one of the first heresies addressed by Paul and the Apostles. I'm rather liberal compared to the UPCI. So that accusation doesn't wash. Denial of a bodily resurrection leaves one serving a Christ who's still in the grave. To say Christ rose from the dead bodily, but we do not is to make him the Lord of Ghosts, a God of the dead, not the God of the living.

Aquila 07-02-2010 06:19 AM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
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Originally Posted by Rev (Post 932635)
It appears that you don't read anything and certainly can't answer any of the questions to the scriptures, you just come up with some babel from your carnal nature.
Rev... I gave solid Scriptures you completely ignored by prooftexting your gobbly-gook. Those asleep in the dust shall awaken. End of subject.

Aquila 07-02-2010 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Rev (Post 932640)
So glad that you love "water worshipers"

You must really love Paul and Peter....

(Acts 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

If you haven't been baptized in the name of Jesus you are still carrying your sins around.


(Acts 10:47) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
(Acts 10:48) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Sacramentalists will argue that baptism washes away one's sins. This is error. Water just leaves one wet. It's a natural element that doesn't affect the spirit. However, we read...
Acts 22:16 (King James Version)
16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
In the early church the repentant believer called on the name of the Lord for salvation at the moment of water baptism. They didn't repeat a liturgy over the new convert. It was at that moment that sins were remitted. Not on account of the water...but on account of calling upon the name. This is why people can get the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of God) at the altar before water baptism. Sins are washed away when one calls on the name of the Lord. Baptism is a command to be obeyed. Failure to obey the command to baptize or be baptized is rebellion. Please note, you can have a thousand Apostolic preachers screaming "In the name of Jesus!" over a person being water baptized... but if that person isn't calling on the name of the Lord for themselves... the washing away of sins doesn't take place. It's an issue of relationship between the new believer and the Lord... not the liturgical words of a priest spoken at the time of baptism.

Aquila 07-02-2010 06:28 AM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
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Originally Posted by SRM (Post 932831)
Can you agree with Paul and say your eschatological hope was the same as Pauls? otherwords is your ressurection hope the same as Pauls?

Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:


Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


Paul says here He believes all things that were written in the Law and the Prophets,Do you believe they predicted physical bodies coming out of the ground? If they did,then Paul most certainly would be teaching a body ressurection in 1 Cor 15.

Act 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Here we have it from Paul..He said the things He believed and taught were from what the Law and Prophets taught..All we got to do is go back and prove from the source Paul had [law and prophets] to see IF they predicted the physical ressurection most churches teach today..it is that simple. I can save you some time by telling you..no they did not..but don't take it from me,check it out for yourself. :)
It is written,
Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And there are many more from where that came from.

Aquila 07-02-2010 06:29 AM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
Let's end the cowardice. I want an ANSWER. Did Jesus Christ rise bodily from the dead? Yes or no?

Aquila 07-02-2010 11:16 AM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 932972)
Let's end the cowardice. I want an ANSWER. Did Jesus Christ rise bodily from the dead? Yes or no?
I thought that would silence the false prophets. ;)

Rev 07-02-2010 12:52 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 933227)
I thought that would silence the false prophets. ;)
Son I already told you that I could give you a complete bible study on this subject but that I would not do so.

Your knowledge of the subject is so incomplete that it would take forever to bring you up to just a basic knowledge.

So just keep patting yourself on the back because of your great intellect and then repent and get baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.

But remember you must first really repent or the other is worthless.

Timmy 07-02-2010 12:54 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
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Originally Posted by Rev (Post 933299)
Son I already told you that I could give you a complete bible study on this subject but that I would not do so.

Your knowledge of the subject is so incomplete that it would take forever to bring you up to just a basic knowledge.

So just keep patting yourself on the back because of your great intellect and then repent and get baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.

But remember you must first really repent or the other is worthless.
Do people sometimes just think they've repented, but didn't?

Rev 07-02-2010 12:58 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 933302)
Do people sometimes just think they've repented, but didn't?
(Mat 3:7) But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
(Mat 3:8) Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:


(Weymouth translation)

(Mat 3:8) Therefore let your lives prove your change of heart;

Timmy 07-02-2010 01:11 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
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Originally Posted by Rev (Post 933306)
(Mat 3:7) But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
(Mat 3:8) Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:


(Weymouth translation)

(Mat 3:8) Therefore let your lives prove your change of heart;
Umm, is that a yes or a no?

Aquila 07-02-2010 01:45 PM
Re: From Dust to Dust
 
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Originally Posted by Rev (Post 933299)
Son I already told you that I could give you a complete bible study on this subject but that I would not do so.

Your knowledge of the subject is so incomplete that it would take forever to bring you up to just a basic knowledge.
Try me... I'm well versed with your position. :)

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So just keep patting yourself on the back because of your great intellect and then repent and get baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Truth has nothing to do with intellect. In actuality, the truth is so simple a seven year old can grasp it.

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But remember you must first really repent or the other is worthless.
Amen!

Let the readers note... you still didn't answer the question.

Did Jesus Christ rise bodily from the dead? Yes or no?


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