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Anyone on AFF Vegitarian or Vegan? If you are PM me cause I am thinking about going that way for health and life extending reasons. I am not sick or anything just want to be as healthy as possible and I know some people that were at one time Vegan and Vegitarian she is now starting back. I am just wanting pointers and advice.

On a secondary note if you all want to debate or talk about this topic lets do it. What do you all think about begin Vegan and or Vegitarian? Take a look at this article about Jared Leto from 30 Seconds To Mars. He is a Vegan or at least a very strict Vegitarian. He gained a great amount of weight for a movie and lost it all pretty quick too. So take a look it is a quick read and let me know what you think.

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I don't see a link... but
First thing I thought of when I saw this thread was a 16 oz. bone-in Ribeye cooked medium and flame blackened. 100% Angus please.

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While I still love to eat steak and am an all around carnivore I would only be doing this for prolonged health.

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OK... I am really gonna have to know how many min a ribeye shaves off. (sort of like the seven min per cigarette deal) Cause I am probably willing to shorten my life by a few hrs....:ursofunny

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Since my family has a history of heart issues I think that it would be the best choice for me to make because not only could it prolong my life, but it also would make the quality of those years much, much better.

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There are healthy options besides vegetarianism, ya know.

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I've heard the Vegan propaganda and agree that there are health benefits.

Moderation.....everything in moderation.

Due to a dairy allergy I've recently been forced to give up milk, cheese, yogurt, ice cream, fancy coffees ----------and it's not "fun". In looking for dairy free recipes and cookbooks quite often the only choice is vegan.

I was curious that mayo was on the dairy free list. Huh? it doesn't have milk. But it has eggs and a true vegan doesn't have eggs,and they catagorize eggs as "dairy".

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You do not want to go grocery shopping with me.

I read ALL labels. There is milk in unlikely foods.

Plus I've been avoiding high fructose corn syrup for a long time and EVERYTHING has hfcs in it.:toofunny

News flash. Hunts Catsup no longer contains hfcs. :thumbsup

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Yep... the fact that a product is advertising the absence of HFCS and that the HFCS industry is spending money to advertise that HFCS is nutritionally equivalent to sugar shows that people are catching on and getting HFCS out of their diets.

Companies will lie and kill people all day long and not look back over a buck.

HFCS is basically nutritionally equal to sugar... sugar is just as bad a poison as HFCS is. But HFCS is not metabolically equal to sugar. The way it is metabolizes causes worse weight gain as well as other serious health issues.

HFCS is a slow poison.

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I recently saw a bumper sticker that most appropriately stated my position:

"God didn't put me at the top of the food chain to eat no vegetables."

Vegetarianism is not necessarily a healthy approach and often not.

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I think it could be said that vegetarianism is a healthy alternative if it gets one away from to the heavily processed foods and industrially farmed animals we have in our society.

Then again there are the GM veggies out there. Not good.

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Now see, I had you pegged as the vegetarian type! I could just see you in a head bangin Jam Session and taking a ten min break to down some tofu and soy milk.

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LOL! ME TOO!

NOW is a walking contradiction... I think that is why I like the guy so much!

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1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

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Seriously. In consideration of a vegan diet, does the above scripture give you any pause?

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It would give me pause from commanding or being commanded to do so. This scripture is, in no way, a prohibition against abstaining from meats any more than it is a prohibition against living ones life unmarried. It is a prohibition against commanding others to do so.

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I don't consider myself vegetarian, but I rarely eat meat. I have found that I feel so much better if I just stick to my veggies. It has nothing to do with scripture-just personal preference. Your body cannot digest meat like it does veggies-most of it sits in there and rots.

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LOL - - means you can only have creatures of God at Thanksgiving - - :ursofunny

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I am not sure that meats in that verse has the same thing in mind that you do. I believe that it just means abstain from food.

However, God commanded the Israelites to eat lamb at the passover, and the priests ate the meats offered as sacrifices.

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LOL! yea there is that. I have also wondered if there is some connection with Paul’s long arguments related to sacrificed animals being eaten by gentile Christians.

either way, I do like to use it as my personal reason for eating meat!

I do think there is something valuable in the passage relating to the world we live in where you have militant vegans who have elevated animals to the same (or higher) status than humans. Kind of a “sign of the times” kind of thing.

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There is plenty of evidence in Scripture that God intended for man to eat animals. He also made them taste soooo good.

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Did you know that some of the meat sold in US restaurants and supermarkets has actually been offered to idols? Scary, isn't it? You could be violating Acts 15:29 without even knowing!

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1Cor 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

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It is interesting to note that many Chinese food restaurants have a shrine set up complete with food offerings to their gods. It's usually in some secluded corner... but they are there.

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Ignorance is bliss? :bliss

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In this instance at least. Paul makes the point that offering the meat to the idols doesn't contaminate the meat it was just the appearance of the thing at the time.

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Many years ago there was a funny "Christian" comedian, Mike Warnke,(he can be another thread:ursofunny).Future info indicated a bit of a scam.

I saw him more than once when he was traveling the USA doing "concerts".

He had a great routine in regard to human teeth being designed to eat meat.

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As a local radio host here in Dallas says "I like meat"

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No. Not at all infact. Truth is that if I do it it would be strictly my choice and I could and can eat meat if I want too. I am not a part of a doctrine of devils or whatever. LOL

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Oh please!!!! Not on your life!!

But see there.....that's the problem I have with the way much of our "Type-casting" goes. It's why I don't like most conservatives nor most liberals. It seems there's a playbook for both and if you're one, then you hafta do everything it says.

What's wrong with taking issue by issue? And on the eating issue, please pass the ranch. I need some to dip my STEAK in it!!!!:lol



I would never vote for a politician who supports abortion. But, I struggle horribly with capital punishment. I can't STAND the NRA and I think they're dangerous. I support Affirmative Action. I support a lot of animal rights. One of my favorite shows on TV is "Whale Wars." But I think the whole militant vegetarian thing is insane. I think it's completely idiotic to try to get SUV's off the road and don't you dare mess with mine! Reduce my taxes!!! I'm a civil rights psycho.

I think Reagan was the greatest president ever and I think we should respect and pray for Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.

So am I a liberal or a conservative?

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Ferd, this is not me at all. If I do it then it would be strictly for health reasons. I probably would still eat fish from time to time, because there is great benefits with eating fish. But I want it known that if I choose this path it would be ONLY for health issues. That's all. Nothing spiritual. I don't think God commanded us to eat meat in the sense of literal meat. I think that meat was in reference to eating together 'at meat'. But regardless I don't see or think there is a spiritual aspect to eating meat at all.

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Let's be honest here. Many Apostolics are ignorant about other religions and denominations. Due to that ignorance they are very mean and derogitiory toward them. This seems like another of those situations, IMO. I am not pointing out any one person on this thread at all. But it seems that some are talking down about being vegitarian (the way of eating) without real cause. I agree the militant ones are over the top. They are just as ignorant as some of us (me included).

My college Biology Sciences teacher once said if you are in my class and are a vegitarian or vegan you may not like my class. I will talk about eating steak and other meats and how the body works. He also said if you are one of those that I hope you are doing it because of health choice and not relgious choices. He said I am a believer, not a worshipper, but I have searched the Bible and I have a degree, I am a smart man, but there is NO biblical evidence that supports or is against this lifestyle.

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Bravo...

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We can work vegetables into that. Like some sauteed onions, corn, baked potato. That'll work.

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JTULLOCK,

After I had my second daughter, we went on a vegetarian "kick", I guess you could call it. It probably lasted for a good 6 months before we had a bite of meat, and then we did a pretty good job of making sure the meat we did eat was lean fish or chicken. We stuck to that lean diet for several years, and I have to say that's probably the best I've felt my whole life. I'd actually like to go back to it (and my waistline would appreciate it, too).

My only caution would be that if you have kids, you have to be careful about going vegan. You have to be very zealous about making sure they get all the right nutrients without meat & dairy. It may require supplements, especially for very young children or nursing mothers.

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The only "for or against" statement on the lifestyle itself in the Bible would be this IMO...

Were it not for the fall... man would have never been anything but a vegetarian.

And that is actually just a mere statement. It isn't for or against either.

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Considering your husbands hobby I am surprised it lasted anywhere near that long....:D

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You couldn't be an Israelite and a vegetarian.

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Could you elucidate on this statement?

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Doesn't this scream "unbalanced" to anyone but me? The problem isn't eating meat or dairy products it is how much and how often. But we humans would rather run to extremes.