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Standards 07-02-2010 01:02 PM

Sinful Technology or Sinful Content?
 
I would like some of the cons. to pitch in on this debate, if you are willing. Hmmm. This could be one short debate seeing as how there's only three cons. on this forum.

Ok, so I've heard preachers say that they preach against Television because it's an evil device, exc. Others preach against the content (Hollywood, exc.). What is your opinion?

Sis Elaine 07-02-2010 01:09 PM

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When my dear husband was alive and preaching the Word he taught judgement.

He'd say get off your backside and turn the channel if something offends you or your young ones should not be seeing.

Now that he's gone my kids got extra channels for me and I can watch craft shows and cooking shows that keep me active and learning. I watch some during the day and knit and study God's word at night.

Hasn't affected my daily walk with God. He's as real and dear to me today as he was 30 years ago.

RandyWayne 07-02-2010 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933325)
When my dear husband was alive and preaching the Word he taught judgement.

He'd say get off your backside and turn the channel if something offends you or your young ones should not be seeing.

Now that he's gone my kids got extra channels for me and I can watch craft shows and cooking shows that keep me active and learning. I watch some during the day and knit and study God's word at night.

Hasn't affected my daily walk with God. He's as real and dear to me today as he was 30 years ago.

And there you go. You said it better then just about anyone else could.

Standards 07-02-2010 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933325)
When my dear husband was alive and preaching the Word he taught judgement.

He'd say get off your backside and turn the channel if something offends you or your young ones should not be seeing.

Now that he's gone my kids got extra channels for me and I can watch craft shows and cooking shows that keep me active and learning. I watch some during the day and knit and study God's word at night.

Hasn't affected my daily walk with God. He's as real and dear to me today as he was 30 years ago.

I just hope you manage to change the channel in time. A few seconds makes all the difference! :bliss

allstate1 07-02-2010 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933336)
I just hope you manage to change the channel in time. A few seconds makes all the difference! :bliss

In your way of thinking you better keep your kids chained in the basement less they hear or see something evil!

RandyWayne 07-02-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by allstate1 (Post 933341)
In your way of thinking you better keep your kids chained in the basement less they hear or see something evil!

....like Billboards along the road, which I suppose are avoidable if you very carefully plan your trip to church and back. Or magazine covers at the grocery store, which again could potentially be avoided by strategic shopping which will keep you a safe distance from that isle. But I suppose to really be completely safe you need to turn your home into the one seen in the movie, People Under the Stairs, where they are all locked in the basement and never allowed to see the light of day, much less leave the house. For their own good you understand.

Standards 07-02-2010 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by allstate1 (Post 933341)
In your way of thinking you better keep your kids chained in the basement less they hear or see something evil!

Like your shaved legs, for instance.

Sis Elaine 07-02-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933336)
I just hope you manage to change the channel in time. A few seconds makes all the difference! :bliss

Dear, this granny can move but why be so scared? I see worse at K-Mart on my shopping days. If all it takes is a few seconds to get in your mind and heart you are not walking close enough to your precious Savior.

RandyWayne 07-02-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933356)
Dear, this granny can move but why be so scared? I see worse at K-Mart on my shopping days. If all it takes is a few seconds to get in your mind and heart you are walking close enough to your precious Savior.

OK, I like you......

allstate1 07-02-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sis elaine (Post 933356)
dear, this granny can move but why be so scared? I see worse at k-mart on my shopping days. If all it takes is a few seconds to get in your mind and heart you are walking close enough to your precious savior.

post of the year!!

Sis Elaine 07-02-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 933358)
OK, I like you......

The good Lord bless you.

Standards 07-02-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933356)
Dear, this granny can move but why be so scared? I see worse at K-Mart on my shopping days. If all it takes is a few seconds to get in your mind and heart you are walking close enough to your precious Savior.

Yes, but why bring it into your home. i have to deal with enough junk around me at work. When I go home, I want it to be a safe haven. What if you fall asleep and leave the TV on? I don't want to have to worry about what my little girl will see if I don't change channels fast enough.

192281 07-02-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933356)
Dear, this granny can move but why be so scared? I see worse at K-Mart on my shopping days. If all it takes is a few seconds to get in your mind and heart you are not walking close enough to your precious Savior.

AMEN....love your post!

John Atkinson 07-02-2010 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933325)
When my dear husband was alive and preaching the Word he taught judgement.

He'd say get off your backside and turn the channel if something offends you or your young ones should not be seeing.

Now that he's gone my kids got extra channels for me and I can watch craft shows and cooking shows that keep me active and learning. I watch some during the day and knit and study God's word at night.

Hasn't affected my daily walk with God. He's as real and dear to me today as he was 30 years ago.


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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933356)
Dear, this granny can move but why be so scared? I see worse at K-Mart on my shopping days. If all it takes is a few seconds to get in your mind and heart you are not walking close enough to your precious Savior.

You done went to my favorite poster list in just a few short, profound paragraphs.

The one single bolded sentance says everything needed to know about everything related to what we call "Standards" Nice.

192281 07-02-2010 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933311)
I would like some of the cons. to pitch in on this debate, if you are willing. Hmmm. This could be one short debate seeing as how there's only three cons. on this forum.

Ok, so I've heard preachers say that they preach against Television because it's an evil device, exc. Others preach against the content (Hollywood, exc.). What is your opinion?

Is a Gun sin..no but shooting someone with it is.

get my point...an object cant be sin, its what you do with that object that makes something sinful.

Standards 07-02-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 192281 (Post 933373)
Is a Gun sin..no but shooting someone with it is.

get my point...an object cant be sin, its what you do with that object that makes something sinful.

And would you mind if someone pointed a gun at you?

allstate1 07-02-2010 01:44 PM

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@ standards If you never watch TV how do you know it only takes a few seconds to see something '"sinful"? And if you say you have seen it at work,offices, waiting rooms etc.. then I can guarantee you know who jennifer aniston is! For all of your holiness wailing you should realize you are in sin everytime you post on here with your deceptive personality!

192281 07-02-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933375)
And would you mind if someone pointed a gun at you?

I wouldnt like it but I couldnt say they were sinning and going to hell for it.

Sis Elaine 07-02-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933363)
Yes, but why bring it into your home. i have to deal with enough junk around me at work. When I go home, I want it to be a safe haven. What if you fall asleep and leave the TV on? I don't want to have to worry about what my little girl will see if I don't change channels fast enough.

Be a parent and only watch what is good for the family.

Experience is beautiful so let me explain it like this.

When you took your precious little girl to get vaccinations they include alittle of the virus in that shot. It builds her resistance to that disease. When you are too protective and shield your children from too much it can backfire on you. Children are going to be curious and learn so what better way than to teach yourself what is right and wrong.

I have seen too many protective innocent people go hog wild as soon they do not have that constant control over them. They don't have the tools they need to make good judgement calls. Give her instruction, guidance and she will be a much stronger Christian than someone that is protected and controlled.

I bet she is precious.

John Atkinson 07-02-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933363)
Yes, but why bring it into your home. i have to deal with enough junk around me at work. When I go home, I want it to be a safe haven. What if you fall asleep and leave the TV on? I don't want to have to worry about what my little girl will see if I don't change channels fast enough.

Unless you are homeschooling in the basement that is a lost cause. If your daughter learns the foundational principles of teh word of God and how to love and walk close to Jesus nothing she sees on a tv ad will affect her. Now or later.

Of course cloistering up kids in a psuedo convent has been known to have the effect of making them look forward to the day they don't have to listen no more and can go wild.

192281 07-02-2010 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933382)
Be a parent and only watch what is good for the family.

Experience is beautiful so let me explain it like this.

When you took your precious little girl to get vaccinations they include alittle of the virus in that shot. It builds her resistance to that disease. When you are too protective and shield your children from too much it can backfire on you. Children are going to be curious and learn so what better way than to teach yourself what is right and wrong.

I have seen too many protective innocent people go hog wild as soon they do not have that constant control over them. They don't have the tools they need to make good judgement calls. Give her instruction, guidance and she will be a much stronger Christian than someone that is protected and controlled.

I bet she is precious.

Amen...:thumbsup

OnTheFritz 07-02-2010 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933363)
Yes, but why bring it into your home. i have to deal with enough junk around me at work. When I go home, I want it to be a safe haven. What if you fall asleep and leave the TV on? I don't want to have to worry about what my little girl will see if I don't change channels fast enough.

Why bring anything into your home? Computer? Radio? Books? These are the kinds of arguments that come from those without TVs who have it in their head the the cooking channels deteriorate into soft-core porn at night. Just doesn't happen.

There are certainly channels with objectionable material, but there are plenty without. Advertisers want to keep their audiences, so they gear their advertising to their target audience. It's not failsafe, but if you monitor what your kids watch as you should, it's a non-issue.

Standards 07-02-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 192281 (Post 933381)
I wouldnt like it but I couldnt say they were sinning and going to hell for it.

I wouldn't want someone to point a gun at me, because they might accidently pull the trigger. Even if they didn't, I would still be putting myself at risk by standing in front of it. That's why you shouldn't play with sin in your home. YOU might be able to control it, but what about your children?

Standards 07-02-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933382)
Be a parent and only watch what is good for the family.

Experience is beautiful so let me explain it like this.

When you took your precious little girl to get vaccinations they include alittle of the virus in that shot. It builds her resistance to that disease. When you are too protective and shield your children from too much it can backfire on you. Children are going to be curious and learn so what better way than to teach yourself what is right and wrong.

I have seen too many protective innocent people go hog wild as soon they do not have that constant control over them. They don't have the tools they need to make good judgement calls. Give her instruction, guidance and she will be a much stronger Christian than someone that is protected and controlled.

I bet she is precious.

This sounds good, but it fails to prove your point. There's quite a bit of difference between virus' and sin. A ilittle virus can harm the body, but a little sin will condemn a soul to hell.

Sis Elaine 07-02-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933397)
This sounds good, but it fails to prove your point. There's quite a bit of difference between virus' and sin. A ilittle virus can harm the body, but a little sin will condemn a soul to hell.

Both can kill you.

You aren't seeing the principle of the illustration. Pray on it and you can understand. Parenting is one of the hardest but most rewarding responsibilties given to us.

192281 07-02-2010 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933392)
I wouldn't want someone to point a gun at me, because they might accidently pull the trigger. Even if they didn't, I would still be putting myself at risk by standing in front of it. That's why you shouldn't play with sin in your home. YOU might be able to control it, but what about your children?

I cant control someones finger on a trigger but I can control my finger on the remote. Sin is not a TV just like sin is not the gun. Yes there is sinful things on a TV and yes sinful things can be done with a gun but thats why you use wisdom.

As long as you maintain your life in balance, watching a TV is not a problem provided that it does not draw you away from God nor takes away opportunities to draw closer to God.

FYI-just incase you are unaware. They have codes where you can lock the channels you dont want your kids to watch.

Standards 07-02-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 933389)
Why bring anything into your home? Computer? Radio? Books? These are the kinds of arguments that come from those without TVs who have it in their head the the cooking channels deteriorate into soft-core porn at night. Just doesn't happen.

There are certainly channels with objectionable material, but there are plenty without. Advertisers want to keep their audiences, so they gear their advertising to their target audience. It's not failsafe, but if you monitor what your kids watch as you should, it's a non-issue.

You might think that you are presenting your case well, but this has all been said before. Books are easy to control. I simply buy what I want to read, and abstain from books that could be harmful to my walk with God. Computer? The only reasons I use it is for this forum, music and my wife uses facebook. Radio? I only listen to Christian stations.

Whether you choose to admit it or not, people remember more of what they see than what they hear. This is a known fact. The sad thing is, my co-worker who is a sinner, will admit that Hollywood pushes sin. She'll admit it, but no one on this forum will. That's just sad.

MissBrattified 07-02-2010 02:08 PM

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We are very protective of what our children watch. I agree that even a few seconds of exposure to something graphic can be harmful to a small child's psyche. There are family friendly channels that don't EVER have graphic content of any kind. Those are the ones our children are allowed to freely access.

I don't believe in being over-protective, but we should be in control of what our children view and when, in direct proportion to their level of maturity. As a parent, I know when my child is ready to be educated in various areas, and I'm not going to allow a third person or media source to dictate that for me.

Bottom line--I think it's the content that matters, not the technology, but content DOES matter. Protecting your children (and yourself) from certain content is responsible and prudent.

Standards 07-02-2010 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 192281 (Post 933401)
I cant control someones finger on a trigger but I can control my finger on the remote. Sin is not a TV just like sin is not the gun. Yes there is sinful things on a TV and yes sinful things can be done with a gun but thats why you use wisdom.

As long as you maintain your life in balance, watching a TV is not a problem provided that it does not draw you away from God nor takes away opportunities to draw closer to God.

FYI-just incase you are unaware. They have codes where you can lock the channels you dont want your kids to watch.

Well, I hope you take those precautions, because a lot of "Christians" don't.

Cindy 07-02-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933408)
Well, I hope you take those precautions, because a lot of "Christians" don't.

Does your child go to public school?

192281 07-02-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933405)
You might think that you are presenting your case well, but this has all been said before. Books are easy to control. I simply buy what I want to read, and abstain from books that could be harmful to my walk with God. Computer? The only reasons I use it is for this forum, music and my wife uses facebook. Radio? I only listen to Christian stations.

Whether you choose to admit it or not, people remember more of what they see than what they hear. This is a known fact. The sad thing is, my co-worker who is a sinner, will admit that Hollywood pushes sin. She'll admit it, but no one on this forum will. That's just sad.

I highly doubt any christian at all would say that Hollywood does not push sin. We all know Hollywood does but what wea are saying is you can regulate what is watched on a TV just as easy as any other form of enterainment.
Facebook has adds popping up on the side all the time for different things and sometimes those products or images arent always pure! Also radio is just like TV, you turn to the channel you know is ok and dont allow the others to be on!!! VERY SIMPLE STAN

Sis Elaine 07-02-2010 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933405)
You might think that you are presenting your case well, but this has all been said before. Books are easy to control. I simply buy what I want to read, and abstain from books that could be harmful to my walk with God. Computer? The only reasons I use it is for this forum, music and my wife uses facebook. Radio? I only listen to Christian stations.

Whether you choose to admit it or not, people remember more of what they see than what they hear. This is a known fact. The sad thing is, my co-worker who is a sinner, will admit that Hollywood pushes sin. She'll admit it, but no one on this forum will. That's just sad.

I think everyone admits Hollywood represents sin because they don't know God. All things on tv are not sinful or pushing sin. If it works best for your family to abstain from tv or watching certain movies that is your decision and what you feel is best.

192281 07-02-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933408)
Well, I hope you take those precautions, because a lot of "Christians" don't.

If I had children in my house I would absolutely have locks on channels that are not suitable just like I would have software on my computer that would not allow certain things to come up..... ITS ALL COMMON SENSE!!!

Sis Elaine 07-02-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 933407)
We are very protective of what our children watch. I agree that even a few seconds of exposure to something graphic can be harmful to a small child's psyche. There are family friendly channels that don't EVER have graphic content of any kind. Those are the ones our children are allowed to freely access.

I don't believe in being over-protective, but we should be in control of what our children view and when, in direct proportion to their level of maturity. As a parent, I know when my child is ready to be educated in various areas, and I'm not going to allow a third person or media source to dictate that for me.

Bottom line--I think it's the content that matters, not the technology, but content DOES matter. Protecting your children (and yourself) from certain content is responsible and prudent.

You have been raised good. What a blessing to your children.

Cindy 07-02-2010 02:15 PM

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I think some kids see and hear things in some churches they should never have to. Gossiping and backbiting, of course some hear and see that at home too.

192281 07-02-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sis Elaine (Post 933412)
I think everyone admits Hollywood represents sin because they don't know God. All things on tv are not sinful or pushing sin. If it works best for your family to abstain from tv or watching certain movies that is your decision and what you feel is best.

Exactly...Stan, Im not saying you are wrong or bad for not having a TV. Growing up me didnt have one and I turned out ok. It wasnt due to religious reasons because my mother wasnt very religious but we didnt have one because she thought it’s a waste of time and wanted us to be out playing or if we were inside we were studying, reading, or playing games, she has a doctorate in Education..Might explain it a bit..ha

It’s ok to feel the way you do about your family and your walk with God but it’s not Ok to say it’s a sin.

allstate1 07-02-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 933417)
I think some kids see and hear things in some churches they should never have to. Gossiping and backbiting, of course some hear and see that at home too.

Yea I remember an affair that came out in my church that was between two of the singers! This was in the mid 80's I remember it like it was yesterday but I cant recall any of the ficitious characters on TV!

192281 07-02-2010 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 933417)
I think some kids see and hear things in some churches they should never have to. Gossiping and backbiting, of course some hear and see that at home too.

Yes this stuff is everywhere. I use to run our Childrens Ministry and one of the little girls told me her mom and dad think Im going to hell because I have a tattoo on my arm...ha, looks like they had me for dinner and didnt even bother waiting till the little ones were in bed.

allstate1 07-02-2010 02:23 PM

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I wonder what the per capita percentage of sinners is/was before and after TV was invented?

OnTheFritz 07-02-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Standards (Post 933405)
You might think that you are presenting your case well, but this has all been said before. Books are easy to control. I simply buy what I want to read, and abstain from books that could be harmful to my walk with God. Computer? The only reasons I use it is for this forum, music and my wife uses facebook. Radio? I only listen to Christian stations.

Whether you choose to admit it or not, people remember more of what they see than what they hear. This is a known fact. The sad thing is, my co-worker who is a sinner, will admit that Hollywood pushes sin. She'll admit it, but no one on this forum will. That's just sad.

Because it's been said before, does not mean it isn't a strong case ;)

I respect your decision to not have a TV - we didn't for many years when I was a kid. My point is that you can demonize the technology all you want, but it is just a medium. There are plenty of good things to watch - some of which comes from Hollywood. I can name you numerous films with strong moral messages.

As an aside (and this may not apply to you), I always hear the anti-Hollywood arguments from people that have no issues with professional sports, and I'd like to suggest that is a bit of a double standard. People talk about the immoral examples set by actors and filmmakers, yet even many pastors have no problem supporting their local sports teams despite the decadence, drug use, alcohol, immorality and everything that goes along with that. I always find that irritating. Stepping down from the soapbox now. :grampa


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