When did God Do Miracles because of Obedience....
 

To rules???

By that I mean, religious rules...

"Because you have kept the law I will heal..."

Or "Because you obeyed the command to not cut hair I have healed..."? Where do we find that?

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What about deliverance of the children of Israel in the OT? And what did He do when the disobeyed?

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that's a different question. When did God perform miracles as a reaction to obedience to a religious rule?

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Did God say "Because you obeyed my dress code, I will give you manna"?

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Oh, I see. I don't think he ever did.

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I don't either, but according to LS and the HMH crowd, God does

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Naaman the leper

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Exodus 15:26

And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

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He was healed for obeying religious rules? Nope.

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He won't put a disease on them, isn't the same as working a miracle FOR them

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But it does show what LS and others need it to. It shows that if we keep God's statutes we will have an extra level of protection by not being diseased by God.

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Religous rules? What is that? When YHWH gives rules it is his commands. The entire Old Testament is laced with obedience to his rules.

The New Testament also has the same flavor.

[22] And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22

YHWH does not give "religous rules". He gives HIS COMMANDS.

When his people obey they can expect his interaction in their lives.

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"Obedience is better than sacrifice" 2 Sam (If I recall)

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bump

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No it doesn't. It shows God won't personally curse you. It does not show what LS teaches

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Here is a difference I am meaning

Religious rule "Don't cut your hair ladies and God will send angels to protect your family"


Non-religious command "Wash 3 times in the river jordan and your leprosy will be gone"

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Obedience IS better than sacrifice, but that doesn't address my question

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That is correct, however the identification of "Jehovah Rapha" at least appears to intimate "healings" along with the avoidance of "curses."

I don't think I can come up with something that is a "one-to-one" example of what you asked for - but this came to mind and it seemed close.

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You present an alternate way of looking at things from what I have come to accept. There was a time when I would have said much of what you've just said and in the same context.

One big motivator in the change was that other thing you said: "When his people obey they can expect his interaction in their lives."

I simply never found that to be true. NOW!!!! DO NOT think that I'm saying God "blesses" disobedience or that there are not consequences to sin - there are.

But what I found was that instead of praying and worshiping God in some sort of "barter" relationship, I find a greater presence and a much richer life when I lean more on the "Giver of Gifts" angle of looking at Him.

Nothing good ever came into my life because I "obeyed God's commandments" or the "religious" stuff that most of us claim to be His commandments as well. I never prospered because I tithed, I was never healed because I was faithful or anything like that. Life was a miserable series of "have-to-do" types of ordinances and there was absolutely no joy in serving God.

When I was freed from that environment I found that God was more real than ever before. The diseases that had been slowly killing me all of my life were either healed - or avoided altogether by understanding a little bit of general science and biology. (The Bible's dietary laws were of no use whatsoever to me but I did need a careful diet - something that "God" had never revealed in His word).

I find that He "interacts" in my life now more than He ever did before. I don't obey any "commandments" because "I have to." I walk in the light as He is in the light. I just sort of follow Him along this journey now.

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Good for you. Yet Gods word does not change.

[10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

Yeshua placed much importance on the connection between his love and keeping his commands. A real problem in the Churches today is that so many have been led to believe you cannot have a spirit led, loving Jesus walk which stresses keeping his commandments and also abide in his love.

Jesus taught this as THE truth.

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Is it really just doing what God says or is it the result of faith? Obedience can be looked at in two ways. There were those that obeyed the law, but they were not saved by faith. They obeyed not from the heart.

Also, is obedience such as in the name Jehovah Rapha, tied up into obedience to ceremonial rules or moral rules?

I mean does God say "if you keep X rule I will protect you with angels"?

Where as LS focuses exclusively on the hair issue

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So I guess before you obeyed commands because you "had to" rather than because you loved Yeshua? But now you obey them because you are walking with him? And he interacts with you now but did not then?

That sounds just like the way Yeshua said it would work.

It is generally assumed by people nowadays if you teach keeping the commands of Yeshua that you are merely another Pharisee just looking for someone to slap a bunch of unscriptural rules and regulations on. That you have no love for Christ or his Saints and do not know him by revelation.

Yet look at what Paul said about having God to be with us. Keep in mind that God being with us speaks of personal favor and fellowship.

Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. Phil. 4:9

Paul said there is a way to live if you want God to be with you.

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While running the risk of being expelled from this community, I will observe that Praxeas apparently has a huge hang up with 1 Corinthians 5-10.

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No, I don't have any hangups with those verses or any other. I do have problems with how some people erroneously twist or interpret them :thumbsup

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See there's nothing there that says "If you don't cut your hair God will protect you and your family with a bunch of angels...when you need angels to visit your church just let down your hair and summon them. If some is sick lay hair on them in my name"

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Wow! I apologize. I thought all the references to HMH were sarcastic mockeries of the UPC teaching on women not cutting their hair. After that pic posted in the jokes thread, I realize people actually preach HMH! Yeah... I am totally with you on that one!

Can someone please explain what this LS "doctrine" is?

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To sum it up: "1 Corinthians 11:1-16 teaches that if a woman doesn't cut her hair, she has power in the spirit realm and should ask angels for protection over their families, including, but not limited too laying her hair on loved loves to remind God that she has uncut hair".

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Legalist... :thumbsup

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.... and if she does cut her hair, she loses that protection.

Proponents of this doctrine have made a lot of claims, such as one woman's husband committed adultery because the wife lost angelic protection over her home by cutting her hair.

A lot of nonsense like that.

You can find some of the LS preaching clips on youtube, I think.

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Actually, I think this is the closest example to a "saint" obeying the man of God simply because he is the man of God and God honoring that obedience.

There was nothing in his instructions to Namaan that would be considered to be part of the law. They were just instructions-- from a man to a man.

So from Namaan, can we apply that same kind concept to our day?

If the prophet had told him to do some really difficult thing he would have done it. However, it was simple (and disgusting) but simple to just go and dip in that river like he was told.


God honored his obedience. Was it for Namaan's sake only, to the ends of establishing the legitimacy if the man of God's authority, for the sake of God's own Glory only?

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I love how people totaly negate the reality of what they say and act as if something is other than what it is. INSTRUCTIONS ARE LAW from God!