Praying wrong?
 

Its my belief that most apostolics do not pray for sick people or situations in a true apostolic fashion!!

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well...would you teach us how to pray?

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I am still practicing!

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:popcorn2

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You mean, letting your shadow pass over the sick? :winkgrin

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Yea when is the last time you seen that? When is the last time you seen anyone bold enough to command healing instead of the repetitive begging and pleading for God to come down and heal?? The apostles did not beg!

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The shadow thing, never, that I can recall. The commanding? Sure. I've seen that quite a few times. Not sure if I've seen it actually work, though.

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Have you tried it Timmy?? Maybe if you walk the halls your shadow would cause something!

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My shadow? :spit

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O what little faith you have Timmy!

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Leave it to someone to break my statement down! Okay I will rephrase it most apostolics I have heard (it has been hundreds)!!

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So what do these Apostolics need to do differently in order to pray the 'right' way?

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Well do you recall reading where the apostles begged and pleaded? Begging and pleading is not apostolic!!

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Of course not.

So how does one pray the 'right' way?...I'm dying to know.

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The Bible dont say If you have the faith as a grain of mustard seed you can beg and plead God to move a mountan!

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And the topic was praying for sickness and situations not your daily commune you have with God!

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Commanding someone to be healed is not prayer. So please, tell us Apostolics how we pray wrong

BTW I see Apostolics commanding healing all the time. It's a regular practice, but back to your topic...we pray wrong, please help us.

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I guess I need to hang around you b/c almost 40 years of being in and around UPC I can remember only a handful of times when a minister would command a crippled to rise and walk etc etc... Most of the praying I have witnessed has been the begging type! I am also apostolic so I am considering myself in the group! Also if you notice there is a question mark on the thread title.

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How many times do we actually see the Apostles pray?

Act 4:29 And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness,
Act 4:30 while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus."

Is that considered begging or pleading?

Oh, not sure what you mean by pleading but would this suffice?

2Co 12:7 So to keep me from being too elated by the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from being too elated.
2Co 12:8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me.
2Co 12:9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Your prayers should be fervent

Jas 5:16 Confess faults to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous one avails much.
Jas 5:17 Elijah was a man of like passion as we are. And he prayed earnestly that it might not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for the time of three years and six months.
Jas 5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth caused its fruit to sprout.


And if at first you don't succeed, PLEAD!
Luk 18:1 And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart.
Luk 18:2 He said, "In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man.
Luk 18:3 And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, 'Give me justice against my adversary.'
Luk 18:4 For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, 'Though I neither fear God nor respect man,
Luk 18:5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming.'"
Luk 18:6 And the Lord said, "Hear what the unrighteous judge says.
Luk 18:7 And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them?
Luk 18:8 I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?"

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Again commanding someone to rise and walk is NOT PRAYER...You keep saying it is but it's not. Prayer is directed towards God.

Here is what the bible says, in addition to what I already posted

that you may not fall under condemnation.
Jas 5:13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise.
Jas 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

Ok, it's NOT wrong to pray for someone's healing. If you feel you have the faith and the gifts, command them to be healed, But if not, then pray like the bible says to

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In true Timmy fashion the hard truth is delivered.

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Point well taken. Thats why I had the question mark.

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It's my opinion that if we want to just command things to happen, we better have already done some pleading and seeking :thumbsup

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I apparently no longer cast a shadow, or have a reflection in the mirror, plus these pesky holes in my neck, wonder what it means?

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Hmmmm...leaving vampires and silly romance novels aside...what would have happened if it was overcast and there was no shadow?

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You gotta fast more!!:p

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:ursofunny

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I think most don't even know they are saved and what place they have in Christ nor understand what authority that brings. Kings don't beg they proclaim!!

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I know I'm not grasping it all

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I can agree with that and even go further..Who are YOU calling on?..Jesus directed prayer towards His God and Father in Heaven!..

Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

As funny as this sounds Jesus did not say one time to call or pray to Him..but we have done it and I have done it myself,what kind of results could we really be getting if we pray to our Father in Heaven?

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Joh 14:13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Act 7:55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently toward heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Act 7:56 "Look!" he said. "I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!"
Act 7:57 But they covered their ears, shouting out with a loud voice, and rushed at him with one intent.
Act 7:58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began to stone him, and the witnesses laid their cloaks at the feet of a young man named Saul.
Act 7:59 They continued to stone Stephen while he prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!"
Act 7:60 Then he fell to his knees and cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" When he had said this, he died.

1Co 1:1 Paul, called by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and our brother Sosthenes,
1Co 1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

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The mystery of physical healing is NOT about discovering a technique or special prayer style. The real key is discovering and accepting the will and purpose of God.

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Or accepting what kind of person he is. You ever hear someone say "Im the kind of person that...." or "Im not that kind of person"..What kind of Person is He? "God is Love". Jesus was compassionate. Merciful. Jesus is God's character revealed

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What if you have lots of faith (maybe a watermelon seed's worth), command healing authoritatively, ....but it's not God's will at that moment?

Lots of disillusioned people? More doubt? Confusion?

Just asking.

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Yes. And how does this relate to question of healing or not?

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I believe I have seen this many, many times.

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He seems to be that kind of person that would want you to be healed

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I don't think so. He sure makes no apparent attempt on healing most people, even most people in the bible.

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Perhaps, but I would definitely view that from an eternal perspective.

It is his will that we all escape the pain, heartache and disappointments brought by a fallen nature and creation.

Yet the full realization of this comes in and through the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

Escaping that which is common to man is very much the exception to the rule, and not the normal experience of Christians. Most Christians get sick and eventually die as does the unbeliever, yet we mourn not like those without hope...