Modesty and The Christian Woman.
 

I think this is a balanced presentation,and I think the principles contained in this presentation apply to men as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbAiyq2cspE

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I enjoyed this video. :) Thanks for posting it.

I especially appreciated that the pastor didn't try to teach this himself, but instead allowed an older woman to teach the younger women, which is a biblical concept.

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I appreciate that, too, and I have an easier time accepting such specific teaching when it's from a woman.

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:thumbsup

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I also agree with Scott that this was a very balanced view. This lady reinforced MODESTY, and gave examples of why it's important, and simply left it at that. She didn't try to twist scriptures to make them say something they're not. A very refreshing take on Christian modesty. :)

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Even though it is from a woman to other women I may have to watch it since every other video I have viewed here somehow involves LS. I need to hear something based in a measure of sanity for once.

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I detect a serious attitude problem here. :coffee2 (The condescending cup of coffee)!

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I phrased that very carefully, so as not to reveal my possibly stereotypical views of how men approach teaching about women's issues. :coffee2

*chest beating, roaring, "she makes me have bad thoughts", "she gave me the fruit", etc.*

"Blast it all, woman, put some clothes on!", and so on and so forth. :)

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Outstanding!!

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Nothing unique here... I've heard this many times in UPC churches.

"I don't want to see your boobs.."

"I don't want to see your midriff..."

"I don't want to see your 'upper legs..."

Personally, this is the easy way of teaching against a problem that is more than "head and shoulders knees and toes."

A con will say: well, who gives her the right to say what we don't want to see? And if she has that right, then why not "draw that line" farther out? Then we get this tidy list of rules from the man of God: no skirts above the knee, sleeves to the top of the elbow, etc....

Think about the problem -- if indeed a young girl is promiscuously showing off her body, and then let the Spirit help give us a way to deal with the problem, and not just the symptoms.

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False Doctrine!!!!!

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What's false?

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The doctrine.

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Modesty means exposing intimate parts of the body... or alluring parts of the body.

Means means self-control in my dress so that parts meant to keep secret are kept secret.

Does it? Where does this definition come from? I like AQP's questions a while ago about skin, covering the body up and scriptural support.

Re the situation about the young man that is struggling with pornography, that's a start toward a great way to teach it. Romans 14. Love over liberty. Something to think about for sure. The problem is, though, that a man struggling with pornography will not let a covered knee cap and midriff stop them from life-long bad habits. But if it helps...

Overall: I'm good with the teaching. I also like that this is from a woman (though the audience was mixed gender)

You should repent if you are using your dress to seduce away from sexual purity or their wives... That was said very well and goes to the heart issue.

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The idea that we should be modest? How is that false?

I think those were just her personal opinions--I didn't see on the video where she tied those into scripture. I think it was Digging4Truth who said that a good rule of thumb is not to expose skin you would feel uncomfortable having touched. It's just an opinion about the practical application. Agree or disagree, they're just opinions.

Right, I agree with you--and the struggle with pornography shouldn't be displaced from the man onto the woman. God held Adam just as accountable as He did Eve, even though she gave him the fruit. Adam was to blame because he could have turned down what she was offering.

:thumbsup I agree with this, too. The speaker didn't directly connect the dots between showing upper legs, boobs, midriff with seduction, either. She just addressed the heart issue. Save sexy for your husband.

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Excellent teaching. Can't say that I disagree or can find much fault
with any of it. Loved the quote by CJ Mahaney. I might have to buy his book.

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And doing a mighty darned fine job! Better than any overweight huffing and puffing and spitting preacher talking about "God's temple" and how it must be taken care of -before hitting the buffet line.

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If she looked like a hooker to you, you have greater issues than we all thought.

Remind me to keep my grandma away from you.

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:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

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Or the playground monitor we had during 3rd grade.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2uwWVhyje6...uch-makeup.jpg

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Got to hear that now and then since I don't hear it over the pulpit as much. Seems they don't want to offend anyone and we are in the process of reaping a whole new harvest so I can understand; that all comes in time.

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If you equate Jezebel spirit to hooker

you are totally lacking in spiritual understanding.

A place to start your education:





http://www.amazon.com/Unmasking-Jezebel-Spirit-John-Jackson/dp/1584830492

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Great, so you understand that "Jezebel spirit" is a seductive, promiscuous, rebellious spirit and not a character one just dresses up in!

Unless you are suggesting that spirits all wear uniforms now, just so El Predictor can "discern" those spirits easier?

:thumbsup

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Very good video, Scott! I also enjoyed it.

I wonder if anyone listened to this one? The woman says that she thought she was modest until she was asked to speak at a Pentecostal church. She talks about wearing a sequined tube top, thinking that was modest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wffMZ...eature=related

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Sorry, PO, she can't be a spokesperson for modety. Her skirt goes above her knee, she's wearing make-up and she has cut hair -- not to mention her dangle-bobs aka earrings. (El Predictor, she's a hooker huh?)

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If her sequin tube top was not showing cleavage... I don't see the problem.... unless your the visiting speaker at a church where they don't wear clothing like that.

Evening gowns? Wedding dress?

Obviously, she was immodest for the occassion :)

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Good video! She makes a good point about honoring the Lord in the conviction that the Lord gave her concerning modest apparel and that God will bless her for it.

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The point was - she thought that she dressed modestly until she came into company with women who dressed in a more modest fashion. She then found that her modesty wasn't as modest as she thought. Of course I would not wear a dress that short, but if she progressed to further modesty, I can have faith she will do just fine.

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Just watched all three of those clips and thought she has some great things to say.

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Had to be qualified huh?

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that depends.....just comes from hangin' around too many lawyers. :neener

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My point is that she was very willing to assess where she stood and make changes as needed, which means that she is open to further changes. That is how it should be for us all. Don't you agree?

:toofunny

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PO, and if, at the end of the day, she sees nothing wrong with shorter skirts, will you accept her as a sister? Will she be looked down on as being a spiritually immature midget? Must it all be "progression" when it caters to our position?

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I didn't assume she needed further changes. Who says moving towards your position is moving towards God?

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I don't look down on anyone that doesn't have the convictions that I do. I have never been that way. I wasn't raised Pentecostal, so that couldn't be a part of my mindset. On the same token, I also would wish for her to respect me and my convictions.

Do you respect me for having a more conservative life than you, Jeffrey? Do you call me sister and respect my convictions?

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Yes, and we should extend the same grace to others who wear bikinis! Pray for them. :)

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Awww, but I didn't say that I expected her to move toward my position. I just said that if she needed to change anything, she has done so already and that I think she will be just fine. She shows us that she is allowing herself room to grow, change and correct herself. I can have confidence in that.

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You may not look down, but you did say if she "keeps progressing," indicating, your way is the higher way.

Do you pride yourself for being more conservative? And do you think you are more conservative in all areas?

What does your heart feel about those "less conservative" than you? I'm not talking about tolerance and respect, but what is really going on in that heart? If your heart doesn't condemn you, neither do I :)

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Why pray for them?

"Thank God I am not like the Publican Lord..."