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Baron1710 07-19-2010 05:20 PM

Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Shirley Sherrod, USDA Rural Development Georgia State Director

"The first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm, he took a long time talking but he was trying to show me he was superior to me. I know what he was doing, but he had come to me for help. What he didn't know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was, I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him," Sherrod said.

"I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough," Sherrod said. "So that when he, I assumed the Department of Agriculture had sent him to me, either that or the Georgia Department of Agriculture, and he needed to go back and report that I did try to help him."

See the video here:

http://www.breitbart.tv/video-proof-...awards-racism/

Baron1710 07-19-2010 05:27 PM

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"So I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them, that his own kind would take care of him."

His own kind?

If a white person had said this about a black person their would be immediate calls for their resignation...and rightly so.

NewWine 07-19-2010 06:55 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
This is all quite interesting, however, from what I have read this isn't the Obama Administration is exhibiting racism. The statement was made by Shirley Sherrod, speaking of a personal experience. I find her statement extremely troubling and if anything it shows that she cannot take an unbiased approach and do her job as she is supposed to. I would remove her. It's disingenuous to title the thread "Racism from the Obama Administration". If someone on a church board made such an inflammatory statement, you cannot say the the entire church board or the Pastor is racist. The individual that made the statement is. I think the more appropriate title for this thread is 'Racism from Shirley Sherrod'. I have not watched the link, but, I will do so momentarily.

Okay, so I just finished watching the video; and the following things were just down right upsetting: ", I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him", "one of them", and "his own kind". I can understand her being troubled by as she stated "struggling with the fact that so many Black people had lost their farmland". Clearly because of her age undoubtedly she probably grew up during segregation and the Civil Rights Movement. While the United States as a whole has come a long way from that time, there are still people that can only operate and function with the mindset of that era. Shirley Sherrod based on what I viewed is one of those people. She has pacified her racial discrimination by stating what she was going through; Black farmers losing their farmland. Baron you are correct in your statement with regards to this situation being in the reverse. If we were seeing this in reverse the outcry would be that the White person had a white hood and a sheet in their closet. I think it is fair to say that based on what Ms. Sherrod said she was in favor of those thug New Black Panthers intimidating voters during this last election, since that is what Blacks have had to endure in the past. Absolutely repulsive, and nothing more that a racist bigot using their position as a means to mistreat White's based on what happened during the days of the Civil Rights Movement. I have long disliked the NAACP of today, and this is a prime example why.

OilCityCajun 07-19-2010 07:10 PM

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How long then will she have to remain in the administration before you admit their silence and lack of discipline indicates tacit approval?

Baron1710 07-19-2010 07:14 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NewWine (Post 941882)
This is all quite interesting, however, from what I have read this isn't the Obama Administration is exhibiting racism. The statement was made by Shirley Sherrod, speaking of a personal experience. I find her statement extremely troubling and if anything it shows that she cannot take an unbiased approach and do her job as she is supposed to. I would remove her. It's disingenuous to title the thread "Racism from the Obama Administration". If someone on a church board made such an inflammatory statement, you cannot say the the entire church board or the Pastor is racist. The individual that made the statement is. I think the more appropriate title for this thread is 'Racism from Shirley Sherrod'. I have not watched the link, but, I will do so momentarily.

Let me ask you a question or two...

Who gave her the job?

Who has said nothing and has not demanded her resignation?

She is a member of the Obama administration, and by doing nothing about it he is showing that it is okay for people in his administration to act this way.

Nothing disingenuous at all.

If the pastor didn't remove that person from the board, I would say he is a racist.

Baron1710 07-19-2010 07:24 PM

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I stand corrected...She has been forced to resign.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-white-farmer/

Pressing-On 07-19-2010 07:27 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 941848)
Shirley Sherrod, USDA Rural Development Georgia State Director

"The first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm, he took a long time talking but he was trying to show me he was superior to me. I know what he was doing, but he had come to me for help. What he didn't know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was, I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him," Sherrod said.

"I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough," Sherrod said. "So that when he, I assumed the Department of Agriculture had sent him to me, either that or the Georgia Department of Agriculture, and he needed to go back and report that I did try to help him."

See the video here:

http://www.breitbart.tv/video-proof-...awards-racism/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 941851)
"So I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them, that his own kind would take care of him."

His own kind?

If a white person had said this about a black person their would be immediate calls for their resignation...and rightly so.

Heard Breitbart talking about this earlier. She should be immediately fired!

Pressing-On 07-19-2010 07:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 941898)
I stand corrected...She has been forced to resign.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-white-farmer/

Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

:thumbsup

Sam 07-19-2010 08:00 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
speaking of racism----- how about the DOJ policy that voter intimidation is OK if it is black people intimidating white people?

Baron1710 07-19-2010 08:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 941915)
speaking of racism----- how about the DOJ policy that voter intimidation is OK if it is black people intimidating white people?

Indeed...

OilCityCajun 07-19-2010 08:17 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OilCityCajun (Post 941890)
How long then will she have to remain in the administration before you admit their silence and lack of discipline indicates tacit approval?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 941898)
I stand corrected...She has been forced to resign.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-white-farmer/

I guess an apology is due. And so I apologize. And yet, the abscence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There are other examples, such as the the one Sam mentions.

tstew 07-19-2010 09:26 PM

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I pray for the day when we are beyond all of this sort of thing from all sorts of people. The only daylight I see is that it appears that this all gets better with the passage of time and generations.

Cindy 07-19-2010 10:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tstew (Post 941949)
I pray for the day when we are beyond all of this sort of thing from all sorts of people. The only daylight I see is that it appears that this all gets better with the passage of time and generations.

I think it has some on both sides. But I still hate the racism I was exposed to.

Sam 07-19-2010 10:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tstew (Post 941949)
I pray for the day when we are beyond all of this sort of thing from all sorts of people. The only daylight I see is that it appears that this all gets better with the passage of time and generations.

I wonder how long it will take, or if we ever get there.

Cindy 07-19-2010 10:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 941963)
I wonder how long it will take, or if we ever get there.

When we get to heaven it will be over.

coadie 07-20-2010 07:23 AM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Racist lending practices. The community reinvestment act under Carter if I remember was part of the cause of the mortgage bubble and meltdown.
They actually posted numbers to make sure certain neighborhoods were red lined.
The new banking reform bill:
The creation of the Office of Minority and Women Inclusion will address the need for diversity in the workforce of regulators and in contracting, he said.
Will push loans that are for minorities and women that otherwise do not qualify for approval.

NewWine 07-20-2010 07:51 AM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
I am elated to read that this woman has been fired. As for the voter intimidation has anyone heard that something is going to be done about this, because I am really upset. This is one of the reasons that I am an absentee voter. Also, I would like to add that just because you don't see anything happening doesn't mean anything isn't happening. Furthermore, I find it quite interesting how now that we have an African American President he is responsible for the racist views of other blacks. Yet, during the times of White Presidents (some who have made racist comments) when White's in public office have made racist comments there is no large outcry from the White populous to oust the person from their position. This is nothing more than hypocrisy. I know that many of you will jump all over my comment, but truth is truth. People need to stop counting their chickens before they hatch, be it Black, White, Mexican, or any other ethnicity.

Truthseeker 07-20-2010 09:30 AM

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Proves whites don't have a monopoly of being a racist bigot.

Baron1710 07-20-2010 09:36 AM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NewWine (Post 942020)
I am elated to read that this woman has been fired. As for the voter intimidation has anyone heard that something is going to be done about this, because I am really upset. This is one of the reasons that I am an absentee voter. Also, I would like to add that just because you don't see anything happening doesn't mean anything isn't happening. Furthermore, I find it quite interesting how now that we have an African American President he is responsible for the racist views of other blacks. Yet, during the times of White Presidents (some who have made racist comments) when White's in public office have made racist comments there is no large outcry from the White populous to oust the person from their position. This is nothing more than hypocrisy. I know that many of you will jump all over my comment, but truth is truth. People need to stop counting their chickens before they hatch, be it Black, White, Mexican, or any other ethnicity.

He is responsible for those he appoints to these positions. No you can't blame Obama for the racist comments of any random individual but you can when it happens again and again by people he has put in powerful positions within his administration.

To be fair in this case he did the right thing and she was forced to resign. Eric Holder should have already been on that list for the things the justice department has done under his guidance.

Withdrawn 07-20-2010 10:57 AM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tstew (Post 941949)
I pray for the day when we are beyond all of this sort of thing from all sorts of people. The only daylight I see is that it appears that this all gets better with the passage of time and generations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 941963)
I wonder how long it will take, or if we ever get there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 941965)
When we get to heaven it will be over.

Pretty sure there won't be any racists making it on that day! But I think I know what you mean, Cindy. The true church has no racism in it, and we'll all be free from it on that day.

I've always been so amazed at how so many christians - even folks in our circles - hold onto racist sentiments and attitudes. It's sickening!

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? ~ 1 John 4.20

Ferd 07-20-2010 11:09 AM

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This isnt racism. this is the left doing what the left does.

here is a quick easy way to understand exactly what the left is doing/has done/will do.

Look at what they are accusing the Right of doing. That will be what is going on on the left.

Baron1710 07-20-2010 11:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim H (Post 942117)
Pretty sure there won't be any racists making it on that day! But I think I know what you mean, Cindy. The true church has no racism in it, and we'll all be free from it on that day.

I've always been so amazed at how so many christians - even folks in our circles - hold onto racist sentiments and attitudes. It's sickening!

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? ~ 1 John 4.20

I think there will be former racist in heaven...racism isn't just born out of hatred it is born from ignorance and sometimes bad experiences.
To the boy who was bussed to a white school, had crosses burned in his yard, beat up, and was repeatedly referred to in derogatory terms all by people he called white...that's not going to go away overnight.
The poor white kid that lives in the ghetto and is treated as a second class citizen because of his skin color learn to associate that with a race of people.
The kid who is raised on a farm and told all his life that other races are ignorant or stupid has a form of racism that even time and education doesn't always wipe away.
The young black man that is raised by a grandfather that has learned to hate whites because of the way he was treated invests that hatred into his grandson, and no matter how much we educate people in these positions their is always a residual amount of those beliefs left.
Look at the way people react when they are angry or drunk in relation to race, things they would never say otherwise come spewing out.

Racism isn't simple and the truth is no matter how much we deny it many Americans still struggle with racism.

RevDWW 07-20-2010 11:49 AM

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Content of character is what we need to judge all folks by.

Red, yellow, black, or white; all will have those of good moral character and those of bad morale character. So don't blame the color for the character.

tstew 07-20-2010 12:01 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 942127)
I think there will be former racist in heaven...racism isn't just born out of hatred it is born from ignorance and sometimes bad experiences.
To the boy who was bussed to a white school, had crosses burned in his yard, beat up, and was repeatedly referred to in derogatory terms all by people he called white...that's not going to go away overnight.
The poor white kid that lives in the ghetto and is treated as a second class citizen because of his skin color learn to associate that with a race of people.
The kid who is raised on a farm and told all his life that other races are ignorant or stupid has a form of racism that even time and education doesn't always wipe away.
The young black man that is raised by a grandfather that has learned to hate whites because of the way he was treated invests that hatred into his grandson, and no matter how much we educate people in these positions their is always a residual amount of those beliefs left.
Look at the way people react when they are angry or drunk in relation to race, things they would never say otherwise come spewing out.

Racism isn't simple and the truth is no matter how much we deny it many Americans still struggle with racism.

I've been on facebook so much that I was looking for the "Like" button. :)

OilCityCajun 07-20-2010 06:46 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NewWine (Post 942020)
... As for the voter intimidation has anyone heard that something is going to be done about this, because I am really upset.

...during the times of White Presidents (some who have made racist comments) when White's in public office have made racist comments there is no large outcry from the White populous to oust the person from their position. This is nothing more than hypocrisy.

I would never vote for nor support anyone I know to be a racist. I have no knowledge of any President making racist comments since I began voting. If I did hear of it, I would raise my white voice soon and often. The reason Edwin Edwards - a known crook at the time and later convicted and imprisoned - ever saw his first term as Louisiana's Governor is because he was running against David Duke and white conservatives like me would not stand for a Klansman as governor. I even remember automobiles with bumber stickers saying "Vote for the crook. It's important!"

The case against the New Black Panther Party members had been won. Because they failed to appear in court, the judge ruled them guilty. I don't know all the technical terminology surrounding that, perhaps Baron can help there. Anyway, All that was left to do was sentence them and issue arrest warrants and Holder dropped the charges and closed the case.

Sam 07-20-2010 08:21 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Do you think the KKK is as racist as the Black Panthers?
Do you think the Tea Party is as racist as the NAACP?
Do you think that Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor is as racist as the late Senator Robert Byrd?

OilCityCajun 07-20-2010 09:18 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Absolutely
Absolutely not
Probably

Hoovie 07-21-2010 08:00 AM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OilCityCajun (Post 942354)
Absolutely
Absolutely not
Probably

Yeah, what you said.

tstew 07-21-2010 08:52 AM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 942337)
Do you think the KKK is as racist as the Black Panthers?
Do you think the Tea Party is as racist as the NAACP?
Do you think that Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor is as racist as the late Senator Robert Byrd?

Interesting questions.
1. I'm not sure about the individual levels of hatred and racism among the members of these organizations, but I will say that I think over time the KKK has had more impact and acts of violence and oppression than the Black Panthers. I may be wrong, but in my opinion, the KKK affected the lives of Blacks more directly than the Black Panthers affected Whites. This may have had something to do with the fact that they were parts of the real power system in some parts of our country.

2. I personally don't believe that the Tea Party is rooted in racism like many do. However, I think that the comparisons are interesting. The Tea Party movement is a by-product of real and perceived injustices and infringements on peoples' rights. Do you think that the real and perceived injustices and infringements of rights that led to the formation of the NAACP and other organizations were more or less than what led to the formation of the Tea Party.

3. Not intimately familiar enough with either to say.

No doubt I would agree on #1. I thought the question was in recent history or present tense.

Twisp 07-22-2010 09:28 AM

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To me, this is the same as the doctored tapes aired pertaining to ACORN. They were later shown to be severely edited and deceiving. Slander and deception are the same, no matter where it comes from.

coadie 07-22-2010 10:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 942929)
To me, this is the same as the doctored tapes aired pertaining to ACORN. They were later shown to be severely edited and deceiving. Slander and deception are the same, no matter where it comes from.

What was edited? Please be specific.
They came from the NAACP. Did the NAACP say they were changed?

Quote:

For at least a year, the Homeland Security Department detoured requests for federal records to senior political advisers for highly unusual scrutiny, probing for information about the requesters and delaying disclosures deemed too politically sensitive, according to nearly 1,000 pages of internal e-mails obtained by The Associated Press. …
Career employees were ordered to provide Secretary Janet Napolitano’s political staff with information about the people who asked for records — such as where they lived, whether they were private citizens or reporters — and about the organizations where they worked.
If a member of Congress sought such documents, employees were told to specify Democrat or Republican.
Today this regime wants employers to report race, gender and other personal info on all employees.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/2...d-on-politics/

Twisp 07-22-2010 01:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by coadie (Post 942989)
What was edited? Please be specific.
They came from the NAACP. Did the NAACP say they were changed?



Today this regime wants employers to report race, gender and other personal info on all employees.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/2...d-on-politics/

There are several news sources out there describing how the ACORN video was edited to be deceptive:

http://mediamatters.org/columns/201002170008

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rache...rage-of-acorn/

http://ag.ca.gov/newsalerts/release.php?id=1888&

Light 07-25-2010 07:35 AM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 941848)
Shirley Sherrod, USDA Rural Development Georgia State Director

"The first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm, he took a long time talking but he was trying to show me he was superior to me. I know what he was doing, but he had come to me for help. What he didn't know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was, I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him," Sherrod said.

"I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough," Sherrod said. "So that when he, I assumed the Department of Agriculture had sent him to me, either that or the Georgia Department of Agriculture, and he needed to go back and report that I did try to help him."

See the video here:

http://www.breitbart.tv/video-proof-...awards-racism/


Isn't it amazing how this thread has died?

Some how when the truth came out that the right wing wacko hack and the FOX propaganda machine LIED by omission the christian right let this thread drop like a led balloon.

Oh yea the white farmer and his wife are seen on all most every real network news stations hugging and kissing this big bad racist!!!!!!

coadie 07-26-2010 07:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Light (Post 943957)

Isn't it amazing how this thread has died?

Some how when the truth came out that the right wing wacko hack and the FOX propaganda machine LIED by omission the christian right let this thread drop like a led balloon.

Oh yea the white farmer and his wife are seen on all most every real network news stations hugging and kissing this big bad racist!!!!!!

Tiger Woods did a lot of hugging and kissing of white ladies. Is he racist?

whoami 07-29-2010 03:49 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
The thing I found most shocking about this situation is that the White House demanded her resignation based on Andrew Breitbart's (sp) video. When the rest of the video surfaces later, they were forced to retract.

Why did they react so quickly to a video provided by a website they claim is not a reliable news source? Hmmm..

Praxeas 07-29-2010 07:51 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 941848)
Shirley Sherrod, USDA Rural Development Georgia State Director

"The first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm, he took a long time talking but he was trying to show me he was superior to me. I know what he was doing, but he had come to me for help. What he didn't know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was, I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him," Sherrod said.

"I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough," Sherrod said. "So that when he, I assumed the Department of Agriculture had sent him to me, either that or the Georgia Department of Agriculture, and he needed to go back and report that I did try to help him."

See the video here:

http://www.breitbart.tv/video-proof-...awards-racism/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 941851)
"So I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them, that his own kind would take care of him."

His own kind?

If a white person had said this about a black person their would be immediate calls for their resignation...and rightly so.

Despite the fact that she was sort of exonerated after all this, I wonder if she was white and said what she said about a black farmer and even after having shown that in the end she helped the couple, would a white person receive the same benefit of the doubt? Would the liberals say "oh that white USDA employee is no longer racist"?

Praxeas 07-29-2010 07:53 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by whoami (Post 945452)
The thing I found most shocking about this situation is that the White House demanded her resignation based on Andrew Breitbart's (sp) video. When the rest of the video surfaces later, they were forced to retract.

Why did they react so quickly to a video provided by a website they claim is not a reliable news source? Hmmm..

Another issue...yes they all blamed this man and Fox news for not giving her the benefit of the doubt and show the entire video....hmmmm...neither did the white house nor the NAACP

Praxeas 07-29-2010 07:54 PM

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BTW what does this show? It does not show that racism is still a huge problem. It shows that the politics of racism is a huge problem and that some lower rung peon is fair game to throw under the racism bus as long as it is for political gain.

Sam 07-29-2010 08:19 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by whoami (Post 945452)
The thing I found most shocking about this situation is that the White House demanded her resignation based on Andrew Breitbart's (sp) video. When the rest of the video surfaces later, they were forced to retract.

Why did they react so quickly to a video provided by a website they claim is not a reliable news source? Hmmm..

I think they were still reeling from the Justice Department dropping the charges of voter intimidation against the Black Panther group and their edict that they would not consider charges of voter intimidation by African Americans because the purpose of the voter intimidation act was to protect African Americans. After this, they figured they better do something as soon as they could so they acted too hastily on the next apparent "racist act" by a government official.

Sam 07-29-2010 08:21 PM

Re: Racism from the Obama Administration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 945503)
Another issue...yes they all blamed this man and Fox news for not giving her the benefit of the doubt and show the entire video....hmmmm...neither did the white house nor the NAACP

But, you gotta remember, racism is a one way street.
African Americans, the NAACP, and racists in the Obama administration CANNOT be guilty of racism --- only white folks can be racists.


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