The Village
 

Anyone seen then movie? Reviews? How has it been applicable to your past and history? Perhaps your present?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hVev...eature=related

Part 1 of 1. Entire film is available on YouTube.

All who come from OP circles should watch.

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I saw the village, though can't see any real close correlations to the OP movement. I am Oneness Pentecostal and I consider myself progressive and open minded even while being conservative.

A bit more so I can draw similarities between The Village and the OLD Order Mennonites with their rejection of much technology.

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I've watched it. It was interesting. I can see where people could make correlations if they are from certain circles. I can see how others might not. I was looking for them when I watched it, so I did see a few.

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Saying I find similarities in The Village and OP (where I came from) is not saying they are the exact same societies. It says there were some similar themes: attitudes about "the outsiders," controlling by fear, the leaders deciding on things for the good of the community even if it's not true, ignorance.... uhh.. nevermind.

Thanks for those who chimed in :)

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It is not necessarily OP circles, since not all OP people are like that at all. lol. But it's any group that controls its members and secludes them from the rest of the world in everyday life.

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I don't think people who have not lived in some way seperated from society can understand... Those of us who have, certainly can. I love the movie.

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Mike, you're right, it should be broadened as you suggested.

I haven't met a single OP congregation that doesn't hold some resemblence or similarity to The Village though. I'm sure there are some.

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Look at TD Jake's church.

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Exactly. And "churches" aside, many of us do not receive daily directives from a hierarchy of any kind.

Just sayin...

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Is TD Jakes really "OP?"

Or does TD have OP background?

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He baptises in Jesus Name and does not refer to God as "three persons". That's good enough for me. The dress code, no matter how important, is a secondary issue IMHO.

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TD doesn't recognize baptism as essential for salvation, but rather as part of salvation (response to, not for). He baptizes in the same formula as OP's but sees baptism entirely different.

His attitude toward the godhead is not unlike many on here, who don't see it as a salvific issue, nor one that should cause disfellowship.

That's far from "OP."

He doesn't believe tongues are exclusive to the Spirit nor are essential for salvation.

He doesn't preach OP holiness standards.

Anything else that qualifies him?

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OP has nothing to do with whether baptism is in response to or essential for salvation. There are a variety of OP groups, and a variety of views on this.


Holiness standards are not an OP thing. They are inherent in several Holiness Pentecostal circles, but have nothing to do with whether a person is oneness or not.

I'm not as familiar with various views on the other issues you raise. I had considered myself OP because I believed in baptism in Jesus' name, not because I refused to fellowship Trinitarians. And to my knowledge most Pentecostals-whether Oneness or Trinity-believe in speaking in tongues, but I'm not sure if all consider tongues essential for salvation.

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:thumbsup:thumbsup (2 thumbs up MM!)

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Well I guess our definitions of OP vary. I also see OP as more broad than Oneness churches. Jentezen Franklin came from an OP background, and it was more along the lines of rigid rules. You are correct what you said about Pentecostals and tongues. As far as baptism, my point was that TD may use the formula (word has it he uses the mt 28:19 language and adds "which is Jesus") but he is certainly not dogmatic about it as OP's are.

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So here is a case in point...

I am OP (attend a UPC) and I would disagree with Jakes - if he really does say "Which is Jesus".

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Is Jakes still "OP" though?

And is he "OP" if he says "in the name of the Lord Jesus" but accepts baptisms in various other ways?

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I think so. It's not so important that one calls himself OP/Apostolic etc...

And yes, I also think our early PCI minded founders of the UPC were still OP, even if they expected to see their Trinitarian brethren in heaven one day! :thumbsup

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:thumbsup Amen!

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OP means ONENESS PENTECOSTAL. And that is TD Jakes. Maybe you mean "O" with more letters in there to stand for the other things aside from ONENESS.

Jakes is definitely oneness.

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The village had a profound affect on me and I immediately made the connection with my upbringing. The games the boys played about how close they could get to the woods without stepping in was similar to "what can I get away with and still stay saved." Also the adults scaring the young people with noises coming from the woods was so profound. When I was leaving the UPC, I had an elder stateman warn me about how people who leave the UPC have terrible things happen to them or become homosexual. The world outside is portrayed as completely unsafe. It's a powerful tool to keep people from straying. It was also interesting how the village developed out of a sense of hurt and fear by members of society. I think exclusive groups attract people who have been hurt and are looking for safety. I imagine your experience is completely different because the UPC must have seemed like freedom compared to your upbringing. I think The Village is an incredible movie to look at the way "religion" binds their adherants instead of freeing them into a relationship with God. I'm glad someone wrote a thread on this one. Another movie that touches on these themes is Chocolat. I highly recommend it. Love ya man!

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:thumbsup

And great observation about the games the guys played.

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And this whole time I used "OP" as an abbreviation for "Old-time Pentecost." :ursofunny

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Wow. This movie had like a one thousand page thread in one of the older forums.. I think FCF???

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Really? Is there a link?

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:thumbsup

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Maybe someone can find it on an archive. The site was shut down shortly after the passing of the founder, Bro. Jim Yohe.

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The most profound thing I remember about the movie was the line near the end after trying to protect themselves from the outside world. "Sorrow will find you"

It is a myth that enforcing lots of rules will make people holy and protect them from the dangers of sin. It has always been true that sin is a heart issue and external rules cannot substitute for heart transformation. It's amazing how well the Holy Spirit does at guiding our lives if we address the heart.

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Good thoughts.

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It was a good movie for sure. I would think that many similarities could be drawn out of it not just that it is akin to OP. It can be akin to anything that our culture has taught us is right.