Define "Christian nation"
 

Didn't want to contaminate a prayer request thread. ;)

Can someone define the term "Christian nation"? Never mind whether the US is or ever was one. Or do consider that, if you like. Either way, what should a Christian nation be like? What would its constitution be like? What laws would it have (if any)? What would its immigration policy be?

While we're at it, perhaps we could list some ways that a Christian nation would be better than other nations (if it would be). ;)

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A "Christian Nation" would NOT be better. I have proof.

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Really? explain

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I will. I have to build up the suspense.

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A Christian nation is a country that has been baptized in the name of Jesus, spoke in tongues...what? ...We don't baptize land masses? Oh well nevermind.

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:lol

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:toofunny

That's like people saying, "We have to sing Christian songs." Really? A song gets saved?

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I guess those of us who spent time in Segraves class just don't do the secular/sacred division thing very well. I had a young lady lecturing me about something I was listening to the other day and I asked her, "So you don't read books that contain things about mutilation, rape, murder, incest, etc.?"

She didn't get it.

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19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Oooops

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I don't think a "Christian nation" would be better. Personally, I lean libertarian in most cases. Therefore my opinion of a "Christian nation" would be a nation with a majority of citizens being "Christian" in some form. Policies such as immigration would be settled by the nation's constitution and political leadership. I magine it could take any form - Republic, Socialist, Monarchy, maybe even Communist. lol

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First you would have to define Christian. Real, or the kind that the masses accept as " christian ".

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Coadie, have you ever considered the debate strategy of posting scriptures that actually have something to do with the topic? Just thought I'd try to help you.

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Good point! (Those masses are so dumb! :toofunny)

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But seriously, for the purpose of this thread, let's consider only a real Christian nation. :thumbsup

(But, do we really need to define the term? That would get us seriously sidetracked!)

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I have PROOF and PRECEDENT that a Christian nation wouldn't work.

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This nation sure has about an additional 8 million out of work..

Proof? You can't prove you ate lunch on Monday. :bbq

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:ursofunny

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I promise, you are, by far, the WORST debater in the history of the internet. Have you given any thought to spending your time watching cartoons?

I'm not trying to, nor will I, prove I ate lunch on Monday. I'm going to give precedent and proof that a Christian nation would not work.

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I've seen worse. I am not kidding.

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Interesting video segment between Greg Boyd and Charlie Rose on this topic:

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=s...z2n5EnUBVCXL0g

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I don't think there's no such thing as a christian nation.

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Seriously??? Who? I almost feel sorry for Toadie.

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"I don't think there's no such thing......". Every grammar teacher just had a coronary.

Can you explain that because I have no idea what you just said.

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Well, it is a subjective opinion, of course. But this other guy (not on AFF, by the way) avoids questions, while pretending to answer them, and has never, that I have seen, made a sound logical case for anything. Coadie, on the other hand, .... uh, well, it seems like he has at least answered a question, now and then. I think. :lol

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No such thing as a christian nation. Is that better.

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I have habit of letting my fingers type on without a brain.

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Do you consider the United States a Christian nation ...

Pew forum asks:
christianity used in concept when making laws.

http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Ele...-Politics.aspx

self identification is common in polls.
Example:
Nancy Pelosi thinks she is a devout catholic and favors abortion
The Catholic Bishops think she is not a catholic because of her rejection of the church principles.

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Engrish is my second of 4 languages. Takes practice.

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Hence my request to define "Christian nation". It doesn't surprise me to see that most Americans think of the U.S. as a Christian nation. But I think most of them are either just parroting what they've heard, or think that the term means "most inhabitants are (really, call themselves) Christians". That may be a useful concept, but I think some use the term more to mean "founded on Christian principles", which is what I've heard from pulpits a number of times.

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Oh, and to answer your question, it depends on the definition. In that latter sense I mentioned above, no. It was not founded on Christian principles, per se. Not officially, and not explicitly.

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Like a census questionaire. They give boxes Christian, Hindu, Rastifarian, darwinista Muslim, Jew and Other. People pick something for different reasons.

When I knock on doors, sometimes I ask where people go to church if they say they attend. Then they hollar back to the wife, "honey what is the name of our church"

Ask them what it means to be a Christian, some say they were baptized as a baby. .or raised a Baptist.

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You're right; there is no such thing. Government and Faith don't mix, period. I think the only reason Faith winds up in Government is for political reasons, not moral ones.

People who make their way into the Higher Powers of the World almost always sell out for gain. You look at every last President since I've been alive (50 years) and they are ALL tainted with political corruption, regardless of political affiliation.

For starters, just look up Bohemian Grove. I used to vacation just a few miles from this place, not knowing what was actually going on down on the Russian River, a short distance from Cazadaro, California. Later in life, I asked my father about this place and he knew about it, as many of his "Higher Up" customers would go there; Presidents, CEO's, and other corporate executives participated in this idol worship ceremony and wild partying that would go on for days.

"The membership list has included every Republican U.S. president since 1923 (as well as some Democrats), many cabinet officials, directors and CEOs of large corporations including major financial institutions. Major military contractors, oil companies, banks (including the Federal Reserve), utilities (including nuclear power) and national media (broadcast and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or guests"

http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com.../bohofact.html

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1489

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_PAqT2JZOw

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I've noticed that quite a bit, actually. :lol

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And you can't type in this one!

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Yeah, I know I need to slow down. Sometimes I destroys sentences making me look like I didn't get past 1st grade. :toofunny

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The time has come for me to unveil my proof and precedent that a "Christian Nation" would not work.

For the purpose of this thread, I am defining a "Christian Nation" as one that is led and governed by Christians only.

There has only been one country that has been led and governed by Christians. It was required that this government be occupied ONLY by members of the Dutch Reformed Church.

The nation? South Africa during the Apartheid government.

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I type very well. I do not spell very well.

Big word alert: S-P-E L-L

There is a difference.

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So that was a spelling mistake? You don't know how to spell the word "English"? No wonder your debating skills are so bad.

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You contradicted your self. On one hand you said Christians then later changed it to "Members of the Reformed Church"

Why do you peddle the presupposition that they are one and the same?

Christians were first so called at Antioch. Dutch reformed church is an entirely different population pool.

Nederlandse Hervormde Kerk not the same as

Verenigende Gereformeerde Kerk

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So now only people in YOUR little group are Christians? So now we can add "Bigotry" to your resume. Oh wait....the bible talks about you in that "Works of the flesh" section of Galatians 5.


"When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, your lives will produce these evil results: sexual immorality, impure thoughts, eagerness for lustful pleasure, idolatry, participation in demonic activities, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, divisions, the feeling that everyone is wrong except those in your own little group, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other kinds of sin. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God."

Very nice.