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Mr. Smith 08-26-2010 02:52 PM

New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
I just saw a "Like" on Facebook that I had to post here. This is incredible:

So here it is. I Like:

Illegal immigration is not a new problem. Native Americans used to call it "White People".


:ursofunny

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

Praxeas 08-26-2010 03:47 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 955516)
I just saw a "Like" on Facebook that I had to post here. This is incredible:

So here it is. I Like:

Illegal immigration is not a new problem. Native Americans used to call it "White People".


:ursofunny

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

Native Americans also called it "Mexicans"...they also called it "Indians" from other tribes :thumbsup

Jason B 08-26-2010 06:50 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
I've always looked at illegal immagration as......................











ILLEGAL!!!!

What a concept.

PS-I also think if your going to be a citizen SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jason B 08-26-2010 06:50 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 955516)
I just saw a "Like" on Facebook that I had to post here. This is incredible:

So here it is. I Like:

Illegal immigration is not a new problem. Native Americans used to call it "White People".


:ursofunny

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

:ursofunny

Sam 08-26-2010 07:21 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
well, now the U.S. government has decided that illegals are OK to stay as long as they haven't committed any felonies within the past 3 years.

That "amnesty" policy was announced earlier today.

Jermyn Davidson 08-26-2010 07:43 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 955630)
well, now the U.S. government has decided that illegals are OK to stay as long as they haven't committed any felonies within the past 3 years.

That "amnesty" policy was announced earlier today.

sadness..... :(

Mr. Smith 08-26-2010 08:50 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 955613)
I've always looked at illegal immagration as......................











ILLEGAL!!!!

What a concept.

PS-I also think if your going to be a citizen SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Give us your poor, your tired, your huddles masses longing to be free.

BUT DANG IT, YOU BETTER SPEAK LIKE WE DO!!!!!

pelathais 08-26-2010 09:34 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 955516)
I just saw a "Like" on Facebook that I had to post here. This is incredible:

So here it is. I Like:

Illegal immigration is not a new problem. Native Americans used to call it "White People".


:ursofunny

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

Well... technically it was never "illegal" for Europeans to settle in the New World. Perhaps the Spanish conquests of the Aztecs and Inca civilizations were in some way a "violation" of at least local custom.

Manhattan island was famously purchased in a real estate transaction. The fact that the "Indians" who were paid didn't "own" the island mattered little because no one owned the island. It was just sitting there.

In some respects a similar argument could be advanced about the United States. With our open and porous borders our country is sort of "just sitting there" too.

Liberal 08-26-2010 09:39 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 955676)
Well... technically it was never "illegal" for Europeans to settle in the New World. Perhaps the Spanish conquests of the Aztecs and Inca civilizations were in some way a "violation" of at least local custom.

Manhattan island was famously purchased in a real estate transaction. The fact that the "Indians" who were paid didn't "own" the island mattered little because no one owned the island. It was just sitting there.

In some respects a similar argument could be advanced about the United States. With our open and porous borders our country is sort of "just sitting there" too.

But certainly a case can be made that the European immigrant stole the Native's homeland by sheer force.

Sam 08-26-2010 10:07 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Liberal (Post 955680)
But certainly a case can be made that the European immigrant stole the Native's homeland by sheer force.

by force, by ethnic cleansing, by genocide, by treaties which were never complied with,

pelathais 08-26-2010 10:19 PM

Re: New Way to Look at Illegal Immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Liberal (Post 955680)
But certainly a case can be made that the European immigrant stole the Native's homeland by sheer force.

Certainly, in many cases. In other cases the land was depopulated of its indigenous inhabitants by a phenomena known as population collapse (see Jared Diamond's books). Disease and warfare among the Native tribes decimated huge tracts of land.

The De Soto and the De Leon expeditions across the South both came across large villages made up of wooden homes - all completely abandoned. What had happened was that the Spanish first established resupply points at the mouths of large rivers along the coast to support the upcoming inland expeditions years ahead. These depots inevitably became centers of friendly trade.

What no one at the time knew or could possibly understand was that trading outposts between such divergent human cultures would also be vectors of disease. The Natives trading along the Gulf coast contracted Old World diseases for which they had no immunity.

The plague (mostly small pox) was carried inland. By the time the conquistadors made the inland journeys following a long and slow route up from Mexico the diseases had ravaged the Native communities. ... and ticked off not a few Natives. A similar pattern can be found all across North, Central and South America. De Soto and De Leon didn't "conquer" anything. They just wandered through a depopulated wonderland that actually left them amazed.

Everyone likes to focus on the "cowboys and Indians" and conflict. Conflict was a large factor, obviously. But what gets lost are the effects of population collapse and cultural assimilation. I'm just "some white guy" - but I have 2 great grand mothers who were Cherokee.

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My great-grandmother Lizzie (Elizabeth) Trammel. I never met her husband, my great-grand-father (who was "half breed") as he died just months before I was born. But believe me, she was NEVER "conquered."

They chose their lives and lived long and left more than a few descendants (my older brother was the 50th "offspring" of this union). We should discuss the injustices, but not everything was an injustice.


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