Gay Marriage: For or Against?
 

Gay marriage will eventually be legal in the United States.

As such, what should the church have to say about the issue?

How do you feel about the issue?

Do you believe a gay person should have a legal right to marry? If so, which do you think is most important, that person's individual liberty (rights as an American), or God's opposition to homosexuality?

Should the church remain silent on this issue, or should the church work the political system to preserve traditional marriage to the exclusion of gays.

Which should a Christian be most concerned with; protecting individual liberties or declaring Bible absolutes?

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I am for happy marriages, I am not for marriage between the same sex.

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Why?

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I believe God, He says it's an abomination. Can't get much plainer than that.

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Because happy marriages are healthy!

Because the Good Book gives us direction.

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1 Cor 6 (NKJV)
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

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Now we have statistics that tell us gays don't want marriage. apparently they do want weddings. The average gay marriage breaks up in less than 2 years. That broken marriage has on the average, 8 sexual encounters for each person outside the marriage in those 2 years.

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Where did you get this statistic? How is there even enough date to assemble this stat since gay marriage has only been legal a short time?

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You can make up statistics for most anything. Doesn't mean it's true.

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Gays travel to where they can have a wedding.
Kennedy, D. James; Newcombe, Jerry. What’s Wrong with Same Sex Marriage? (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Books, 2004):

What does a homosexual marriage look like? Well, the longest term that we have available to look at is in the Netherlands. Researchers found that the average “marriage” between two men lasts one and a half years. Furthermore, during that time, men have eight other partners per year. — Dr. James Kennedy2

The Netherlands has this marriage since 1990.
People want happiness. It appears same sex marriage doesn't provide that.

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How long does the average marriage last between a man and a woman in that country?

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By now you know I am a straight forward guy. I have no idea.
Actually the question of duration of marriage is now a bad question. With high cohabitation rates, marriage is more common with church people. In the case of shacking up, they create no divorce stats. So when they say divorce rates are just as high in church folk, that doesn't comment on non church folks just don't get married.

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I have just one question for "gays" who want to get married...

"What are you? NUTS?"

Two questions, I guess.

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i don't have an issue with gay marriage being legal. Not all people believe homosexuality is wrong. They should not have lessor rights simply because they believe something different.

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They don't have lesser rights,. Every unmarried male of legal age has the right to marry an unmarried female of a legal age.
Today, homosexual males can't marry homosexual males. Heterosexual males can't marry heterosexual males. How equal can it be? Heterosexual males can't marry homosexual males. Same matrix for females.

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They do not have the right to marry who they want to. Thus, they do not have the same rights that heterosexual couples do.

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against gay marriage

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Having a group not believe it is wrong doesn't give us a reason to change the law. Muslims in Sudan don't see anything wrong with killing parents and taking kids for sex slaves.
Do any liberals vote against abortion?

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I believe sex between two persons of the same gender is wrong. We call that homosexuality or the gay or lesbian lifestyle in today's terms. The Bible calls it a man lying with mankind in Leviticus 20:13

However, I don't see how we can legislate that in this country. If we deny marriage to persons of the same sex it is discriminating against certain people.

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Yes, there are plenty of liberals who vote against abortion.

Your argument is not valid for this discussion. We are talking about one group having the same legal rights as another group, not killing people.

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So laws should be changed to help people satisfy desires? Do you want the right to drive your neighbors car? And do you want the right for the neighbor to say NO to be taken away?

We also have the constitutional right to create amendments to our state constitutions.
You have issues with a civil society.
Christians have a duty to speak against unrighteousness.

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Now you sound like me arguing for the mosque.

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This is not about changing the law simply to satisfy one group's desire.

This is about changing the law to not discriminate against one group of people.

I have no issue with a civil society. Doing away with discrimination will make us more civil.

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Heterosexuals do not have the right to marry who ever they may want. They may only marry the opposite sex. This is the foundation of society, the family, and has been for all known history. This is the manner that society perpetuates itself, and is without dispute the best for children to have a mother and a father. Are all families good, of course not, but that does not change the larger facts, and the good of mankind.

Gays can have civil unions and they can have the benefits that are common between husbands and wives, from a legal stand point. The culture has made accommodations for the dysfunctions of homosexuality, without changing the age old, accepted in every nation and every culture of people, marriage between the opposite sex for the best for mankind. We should not accept the dilution of this foundational unit.

Now the case has been made without using scripture or condemnation of gays. Even though for most humans it is clear that homosexuality is unacceptable.

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lol, it does sound vaguely similar, doesn't it?

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Your arguments backfired. You said gays should have rights to ordinary marriage if they don't think it is wrong. Using your lack of moral foundation in an argument, if a mom doesn't see anything wrong with an abortin, it should be legal or as in the case of Obama, toddlers are included. If a toddler is inconvenient, they are history. Bury them in a timeout box.
Your warped logic tells us the daddy also should have the right to abort his son or daughter. remember, males and females are equal for the libs.
The irrational libs can't tell us why a 13 year old girl can't be asked to stay overnight by a 30 year old male. They don't see it as wrong.

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The biggest sin for a lib is political incorrectness.

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My argument is not to satisfy the individual need of one person.

My argument is not to discriminate towards one group that which is equally allowed to other groups.

I would say non-discrimination is a very moral foundation for this argument.

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Times, they are-a changin'.

Whether we like it or not, gay marriage is coming. We may as learn to deal with it because trying to stop it isn't going to work.

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I am not for it nor against it. I would be more for it than against it if I had a choice, but I don't

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Heterosexuals want to marry the opposite sex, and they have the ability to. Homosexuals want to marry those of the same sex, however they cannot. That is discrimination.

There are bad instances of family situations on both sides, both heterosexuals and homosexuals. Homosexuals are just as capable of raising a family as heterosexuals are. They should not be discriminated against simply because of their beliefs.

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We discriminate against certain people all the time, and it is good for society.

We discriminate against bestiality, against pedophilia, against polygamy, against murderers, and rapists and many others that are unhealthy for society.

Homosexuality is generally very bad for society, Sodom was an example, the men ignored beautiful women for men with plumbing that had to be used in a dysfunctional manner, rather than becoming husbands and fathers that protect and provide.

If homosexuality is practiced it becomes human desire without bounds, when man removes these boundaries for personal satisfaction
he becomes more and more self-centered. Ultimately society breaks down, and is destroyed.

I make my case against!!

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Did Sodom and Gomorroh get stopped?

When libs prophesy, I know it isn't true. It looks like the gay advocates are out tonight. The same gay advocates are Muslim advocates. If the Muslims take over, the gay deal will stop. Is that what you libs want?

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I will not argue against your points, I will argue that it should not be "marriage", because marriage between a man and a woman is the best for children and for society. We should not change this very basic foundation of society.

Though a particular couple may be capable of raising children it is not the best.We have no history of a culture that totally accepted homosexuality as normal surviving.

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Sodom and Gomorrah is part of your belief system. It is not part of many others belief system. Why should your beliefs be forced onto them?

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http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html

2% of the population is gay. 423% of the seriel killers are known to have had gay relationsips. BTK was not know to have gay interests untill he was cuaght and interrogated.
Homosexuality is often connected with more than 1 mental illness.

Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
 

Against it.

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Sodom and Gomorrah were not stopped because of their homosexuality.

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Actually homosexuals can marry who they want, the just can't call something that is not marriage, marriage from a legal point of view. Society has provided for their dysfunction, but that is not enough they want complete acceptance by society at large. In the leftist world that already have it, but not in the mainstream, yet.