Life Church Houston
 

I recently heard that a popular UPCI evangelist has been telling saints to leave and not attend Life Church in Houston. Any insight or knowledge of this?

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SCANDALOUS! Wow.

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Pray tell ... initials ... and what is his agenda against JK?

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who pastors life church?

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JK

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JK as in Just Kidding?

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No it stands for Just Kilgore

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Haha. JK stands for James Kilgore.

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Would love to have initials, but I don't know who it is.

As far as his agenda, I assume he's going off the rumor that the church has gone "charismatic" (whatever that means).

By the way, it's just that...a rumor. A false one at that.

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Ooooooh! Did the pastor retire and son take the helm? don't remember exactly... something was said about the church not continuing in the direction that daddy was taking it???.?

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JK himself spoke to this on his Twitter today. No names. No need to speculate here either.

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JK is on Twitter?

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I wish it would "go Charismatic"....we need the gifts operating

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Oh, Prax...I love this! :thumbsup

It is the perfect answer next time the question is raised, "Hasn't so and so 'gone Charismatic'?"

I can say, "I sure hope the Charismata are in operation!" :thumbsup

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And Facebook. He is among my friends on FB.

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:thumbsup

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Seems like a general question posed by JK on Twitter:

but followed by:

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All this drama before a GC in Houston ... :bliss

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So was it David Smith?
Lee Stoneking?
Greg Godwin?
Doug Klinedinst?

Um, Doug Whit ... nah ... you said popular and well known.

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JK says the man preaches in the Houston-area churches a lot (and his church). But rather than play 20 Questions...

What would you do? If you were a pastor and a minister was "coming against" your congregation? Should we be like Paul in Galatians or is this an opportunity to ignore the situation?

Seems like it would all depend on how involved this situation is? For example, have families actually left at this evangelists's words?

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Had the very same happen to us in our small church. 9 people left and started their own church with the help of persons we had given many thousands of dollars to and trusted. We did nothing and God replaced the 9 with more than 20. Two of the 20 have received the HG and 3 were baptized in Jesus name.

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Our church as baptized over 30 this month. It is revival time.

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I would definitely Tweet about it.

This does represent something of a trial that most of the UPC is currently facing or will soon face. I've seen pastors actually drive their churches into the ground rather than pass the work along to anyone.

It's a sad fact; there is really very, very little vision for the future within the UPC. This was made especially clear recently when General Sup. DKB and the current Home Missions guy said that they were willing to dump the "second and third generation" of saints and focus on "winning souls" that were compatible with their agenda.

In my eyes, this facet of the UPC represents nothing but death. People like JK (Jr.) in Houston who actually cares about pastoring the souls that they've been charged with should be given more prominence.

The current path leads to an Isaiah 5:14, type of judgement.

We need more Isaiah 40, type of pastors.

Look at the contrast. No wonder folks say that Isaiah was written by "two different" men. We need our pastors to become "different men" as well.

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There needs to be rules for "the ministry", rather than forcing rules on the sheeple. A code of ethics that must be obeyed. If they break it punish them based on the severity of the crime. From not preaching to a year, to lose of license etc and not being allowed to preach anywhere

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So out of the 20, 18 are still lost?

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Sort of, but for now they're helping to "pay for" the outreach to another 20 so that another 2 can be "saved."

In the end we will have "4 saved" and 36 who are just pissed off at us and posting about it on AFF.

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Well that depends on your definition of lost. They might not believe there that you have to speak in tongues and be baptized. However if they do believe in baptism then only 17 are lost

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Paul had no issues calling a spade a spade ... went as far as calling out "false brethren" ...

I agree with Pelathais ... he has a charge and it's to tend and take care of the sheep God has bestowed ...

When a wolf comes to destroy ... it's time to take out the rod ...

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BTW we experience that kind of stuff all the time. One reason Im glad the WD split in half and the old farts left, but they still talk about the church (UPC) down the street

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And so on, and so on, and so on, ...

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If one believes JK is off in false doctrine, then I guess they'd see it differently, and actually apply the call to "care of the sheep of God" to even those who are delusionally attended his church.

And does the situational specifics matter? Some pastors use the "calling out" card for saints who leave their church regardless of the situation, them being bated or not.

I tend to agree with your depiction of the rod here while also fearing Christendom being nothing more than people clubbing each other to death.

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Is this the same JK whose lie at GC in 1992 resulted in the passing of the AS?

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What lie?

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His son.

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Sam, wot was the lie? Interesting as years later JK regreted the "infernal document."

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Maybe we ought to let that rest and not speak any more of that indiscretion.

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His son.

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He said that he regretted that he had ever said anything about the resolution in 1992 when he apologized for his "indiscretion" in 1993.

What he said, and I was in the room... A brother had asked how the vote in the General Board Meeting had gone. JK (Sr.) responded "99% of the General Board approved this resolution."

The truth was that it was that after a highly contentious "discussion," the GB was only able to rally about two thirds of its members around the resolution - and many of them were wavering.

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I've never heard that expressed before.

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It is a common facet of Biblical scholarship on the Old Testament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah#Authorship
http://www.livius.org/ct-cz/cyrus_I/babylon06.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=QME...page&q&f=false

The Anchor Bible Commentary Series (among many others) devotes two separate volumes, one for each writer of Isaiah: http://www.amazon.com/Isaiah-1-39-An...ef=pd_sim_b_13

According to the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, the idea of there being "Two Isaiahs" goes at least as far back among Jewish writers as the early Middle Ages. (See the ISBE article "Isaiah").