Former UPCI Pastor pleads guilty to embezzlement
 

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/sep...news-breaking/

I knew Bro. Sims while he was a part of the FL District. Great man of God. Sad.

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throw the book at him

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The article says he has over 1100 at his church? Wow! Already.

If the HMD records are what they appear ... the church he claims to have funneled some of the money to ... was a CIAD (Church in A Day) project.

http://www.homemissionsdivision.com/...anProjects.xls

http://www.homemissionsdivision.com/...Communique.pdf

800k for a church that already had funding and built through the org ???

Seems like he was bilking from several sides.

When did this "home missions" pastor leave the org?

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My bad the union has 1100 members.

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Seems as of 2009 his attendance high at the church was 181 ...

http://www.homemissionsdivision.com/...communique.pdf

I wonder how many love offerings have been taken up to help pay for this "demonic assault" against him?

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The electrical union had 1,100 members. You have reading difficulty.

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Very sad. I hate that this is fodder for discussion as much as I hate the sin involved.

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The guy apparently acted like union leaders do. Union leaders have been abusing funds for years.

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I have to admit that I'm a bit hurt personally only because Bro. Sims was such a genuine guy. He was very involved in youth ministry and one of the nicest people that I've ever met in the org. I was shocked when this hit the papers.

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Or he acted like many pastors do. :grampa

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Many?

Come on, bro.

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I chose the word many not to broad brush ... as was done with union leaders.

3 pastors who take from the people of God ... IS TOO MANY.

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Feels like betrayal. When I was young, I hired a CFO. Over time several of his family joined my company. When I caught him in the till, his religiousity I knew him for felt very phony.

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I agree, but it would be like me saying many teachers sexually abuse students.

Does 100 teachers out of 1,000,000 constitute many?

100 is too many, but it would be wrong to act as if many = MOST.

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The theft is appalling considering he took from the members ... and was already benefiting from funds he received from the hard working people who contributed to HMD ... not to include the tithes of a mid-sized church.

Also ... he was NOT A UNION LEADER (in cased Coadie missed it)... according to the article:

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I suspect more pastors cash their paycheck for the church and do not take a dollar. All small enterprises need internal financial controls.

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In fact, I would say most pastors give their own income to support the church.

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I have the same OBVIOUS suspicion ....

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Sims was hired in November 2007 by an administrator to manage pension, health and welfare, and vacation funds for Local 915 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
Actually you seem ignorant of business.

They Report to the Pension and Welfare Benefits Administration Of the U.S. Department of Labor. Employee Benefit Plans administrators and plan trustees must carry insurance for fraud and theft.
Most pension plans require that an audit be done. ERISA and DOL oversee this. My company started a 401 plan in the early 90's. I am very familiar with the laws. Even the IRS calls them as management for the plan.


since this plan was over 100 members, all this is covered in the 5500 annual report.

I suspect the Union didn't use a good company to manage their pensions either.

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I have seen a pastor sell his house to cover church bills. I have also seen a church buy a mobile home for pastor to live in and the pastor took it for personal; property.

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Note to reader: Coadie obfuscates with unrelated facts, which are not germane, without ever addressing his faux pas ... about lumping this pastor as a union leader ...

WHICH HE'S NOT.

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I've seen my own father take a salary of less then 36,000 in a church of close to 300-350 ... work a full-time and then part-time job while still pastoring ... and my mom worked full time for 30 plus years so we could live in a home ... in one of the most expensive cities in the world ... NYC.

BTW, Sims was not a union leader.

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This is the problem with union financial fraud. Union leaders chanel money to political campaings and do not give detailed reports to the government and members.

DAII rantlooks like the school teacher needs a little schooling.

A corporation has to meet and file a corporate resolution. This resoulution is in the minutes of a corporation that allows to have Sims act as an authorized officer of the corporation and sign bank accounts and checks. This is what CPA firms look at when they do audits.

School teachers don't have a clue how banks and business work,
Most of these embezzlements do not have jail time.

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Coadie in his best Don Quixote pose chasing a windmill that never was posed.

Maybe your secretary can decode and translate for you.

Who gives a flying fajita about the other stuff that was never addressed in this thread.

Coadie you have foot in mouth disease.

Still not a leader.

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Love the "flyin' fajita" reference, grasshoppa.

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More idiocy. That is why you teach little kids and I have practiced in a CPA firm. I know you have no real business education. The day the union files a corporate resolution to allow any flunky to have signature authority on a bank account, he is officially an officer of the enterprise according to the Patriot act. We cover this in business law. At that time he acts as an agent. He has legal agency. Another legal concept. He can bind the union in agreements.

The reason Obama is pushing lax reports to the DOL by unions is so Union authorities can funnel more member dollars to political causes.

This is why Obama backing off on union reports is so bad.

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Legally the members of the union can file claims against any and all officers of this union. On one side he was given authority and on the other side, they had a breech in "internal controls". He could both sign the checks according to the news and modify the records.

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Man worked for a staffing agency Maestro ... WAS NOT A UNION LEADER

A Dade City pastor is accused of embezzling more than $800,000 from a union investment fund he managed and funneling at least some of the money to his church.

Gregory Sims, 38, pleaded guilty in federal court this week to theft or embezzlement of an employee benefit plan. The charge carries a possible five-year prison sentence, though Sims' plea agreement emphasizes repaying the money he took from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 915, based in Tampa.

The plea agreement says Sims, who was pastor of Crossroads Church on Clinton Avenue, began working for a company called Antares Staffing in late 2007. Antares was a subsidiary of Medical Mutual Services LLC, which managed the IBEW's health, welfare, pension and vacation funds.

Sims' responsibilities included keeping financial records, reconciling accounts and issuing checks. He worked for Antares until January 2009, when he was fired. In June of that year, the plea deal says, an audit of IBEW funds turned up 11 checks from the union's accounts to Crossroads Church totaling $813,142.17.

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It was just a matter of time ... Move over Bush ... This was all Obama's fault!

Oy vey!

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Coadie, are you really Dr. Vaughn posting from a prison library?

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You missed this.
I have used ADP. Payroll outsourcing is a concept school teachers don't grasp.
They are called PEO's
Professional Employer Organization (PEO),
Across the hall from my office is a huge personnel department for the nations largest bank. This branch is 30 billion in size and the staff are all in a PEO.
For a real auditor or even a forensic auditor, this doesn't matter. For a gradeschool teacher, they think they can argue.
ACORN as another quasi union enterprise tried to use shells in how they ran their business.

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Im still a member of the ironworkers union, even though i now am self employed and we had an official writing checks to himself and not putting the benefits where he was supposed to. Last i knew he was at 50,0000 and rising, the local as a result, was swallowed up by another larger local and all the funds were replaced by the district council. In the mean time nothing has been done to him .I dont get it,he should be in jail.

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Not payroll but investment fund. All well and dandy.

Still a NOT A UNION LEADER. :)

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Canam, I'm sorry this pastor and staffing employee ripped you off

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If you called me a homophobe today, I missed it.

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Not yet but you're still a FLAMING homphobe.

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That is why we use CPA's. Most workers are under union leaders that are in their own trade. About the only mandated audits are ERISA, DOL and IRS. If they push these assignments to a myriad of friends and shell companies, shrinkage occurs in the accounts. One of the defenses in embezzlement is that the corporate resolution to sign the bank account and transfer money was authorized.
DAII fell for this. They say the flagrant worker was not ours, he was from a temp firm. He was not management. The day he was granted access to see and change files plus sign checks, legally he is defined as an authorized agent. Requiring more than one signature on an accont is an old internal control step. Having a person that signs checks not be the one that sees recieves statements and reconciles accounts is another internal control step.

ERISA requires fidelity bonds.

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If these men have an accountability partner over their shoulder and a wife in their face, sexual temptation is more difficult to act on. Same with handling money. If they are set up in a way they can't have secrets, secret handling, it is much more difficult to follow temptation.