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Jermyn Davidson 09-12-2010 03:24 PM

Tax Cut for the Wealthiest Will Cost America $700B
 
Extend the tax cut for the wealthiest, America loses 700 Billion.


"As Henry and I discuss in the accompanying clip, Obama faces a "da--ed if you do, da--ed if you don't" situation: If he tries to do more to stimulate the economy (or even use the word "stimulus") he's labeled a big-spending Democrat with Socialist leanings. But if he focuses on austerity and bringing down the deficit, many economists fear he'll trigger another big downturn and concerns about the banking system, as is occurring in Europe."


Read story and view video below.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...tt_535411.html

Jason B 09-12-2010 03:31 PM

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:bigbaby

BeenThinkin 09-12-2010 03:33 PM

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Just think what it has cost America electing Obama president!

coadie 09-12-2010 03:43 PM

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...taxes-irs.html

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Then, we come to the Department of Homeland Security, which is run by Janet Napolitano, the former governor of Arizona who preferred to call terrorist acts "man-caused disasters." Homeland Security is keeping all of us safe by ensuring that a Dutch tourist is aboard every inbound international flight to thwart any would-be bomber with explosives in his underpants.

Within that department, there reside 4,856 people who owe the tax agency a whopping total of $37,012,174.
Democrats don't remit taxes.

coadie 09-12-2010 03:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962042)
Extend the tax cut for the wealthiest, America loses 700 Billion.


"As Henry and I discuss in the accompanying clip, Obama faces a "da--ed if you do, da--ed if you don't" situation: If he tries to do more to stimulate the economy (or even use the word "stimulus") he's labeled a big-spending Democrat with Socialist leanings. But if he focuses on austerity and bringing down the deficit, many economists fear he'll trigger another big downturn and concerns about the banking system, as is occurring in Europe."


Read story and view video below.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...tt_535411.html

Democrats are the tax cheats. go figure.

Jermyn Davidson 09-12-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin (Post 962044)
Just think what it has cost America electing Obama president!

So what do you have to say about the quote and the link I provided?

coadie 09-12-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962055)
So what do you have to say about the quote and the link I provided?

Gotta to play up class warfare. Liberals want to punish success and get their greedy hands on money they did not earn.

Government workers are really after money from people that work and invested instead of spending.

coadie 09-12-2010 04:14 PM

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Where we have Obama we have divisiveness

He pumps up his uneducated minions to jealousy and greed.

Fat cats is a favorite leftie expression.

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Last year, Feinberg allowed two GMAC executives to exceed the $500,000 cash cap, and granted Carpenter an annual pay package worth $9.5 million. After becoming CEO in November, Carpenter earned about $1.2 million, including about $120,000 cash, for six weeks' work.
This same pay czar that said he would work for free. He took 120,000 according to FOIA documents.

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Contrary to press reports that he would not be compensated, uncovered Treasury Department documents reveal President Obama's pay czar, Kenneth Feinberg, received a $120,830 annual salary.

The documents were obtained by the public interest group Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information Act request filed July 20.
By TOM KRISHER, AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher, Ap Auto Writer – Fri Sep 10, 3:45 pm ET
DETROIT – New General Motors Co. CEO Daniel Akerson will get the same
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$9 million pay
package as the man he replaced, Ed Whitacre.


Obama said under 500,000. Did obama lie again?

RevDWW 09-12-2010 04:17 PM

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You do understand that the "wealthy" start business' and employee people. There money is not stuffed in their mattress or in a vault. It's invested in the economy.

BeenThinkin 09-12-2010 04:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962055)
So what do you have to say about the quote and the link I provided?

Interesting! I think he's "damned" because sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't!

How can you believe anything (and that's a broad brush) that the man says. He's been proven wrong on so many things, and most have been posted on AFF in the past.

Have the "wealthy" contributed anything to America? It's not the poor that create jobs, it's the wealthy. How many jobs do you suppose Microsoft has created or provided to America?

How many jobs has Apple provided?

And the list could go on.

If Obama wants to deal with what caused so much of this present financial crisis why doesn't he deal with the Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae whealer-dealers?

One more question... Is there any previous examples of where taxes were cut for everyone and the economy turned around?

BT

coadie 09-12-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 962061)
You do understand that the "wealthy" start business' and employee people. There money is not stuffed in their mattress or in a vault. It's invested in the economy.

I have a neighbor. She lived next door and her office was next door in the office tower I moved to. Lets tax her. She has a couple hundred million in the bank. She drives 2 cars over 5 years old. The bank is stressed. If she takes out 100 million for taxes on her dividends, the bank has 100 million less to loan to customers and is even more stressed.
Jerym and Barack have not taken econ classess. They think it is popular to nail rich people. If the bank has less money to loan, less businesses start. Investment capital is part of economic growth. Obama wants to shrivel capital more than it already has. My estimate is the total value of equities in America under Bush was around 58 trilliion. Under Obama the value of equitiies fell to nearly 40 trillion. Lets tax these people even more and send more business to China.

Obama really pumps people up to covet money from the neighbor. Tax the wealthy. people that saved money instead of binge spending.

Bowas 09-12-2010 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 962061)
You do understand that the "wealthy" start business' and employee people. There money is not stuffed in their mattress or in a vault. It's invested in the economy.

You beat me to it. I was going to ask the question, What do you think the wealthy would do or do with the money that is not taxed? Yes, you guessed it. They invest it and in turn that gives the smaller guys jobs and in turn gets them off welfare/unemployment or whatever.
Tax the rich, lose your job.
The rich at least produce and or give something back by way of jobs and taxes. I think we need to go after the greatest consumer of the peoples income and that is the government. They take and cannot give what they have not first taken.

canam 09-12-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 962043)
:bigbaby

JD doesnt realize that 2 percent of the people already pay 50 percent of the tax,you can only squeeze the orange so much JD.

Jermyn Davidson 09-12-2010 07:06 PM

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It will cost America 700 Billion dollars in revenue to extend the taxes on the "wealthiest".

I understand the argument that the wealthiest contribute to the national economy-- but not every "wealthy" person contribute to the economy in the way that employs people.

Further, it's in their best interest to invest and grow their companies-- they will do this regardless.

Why shouldn't the wealthy do what they can to help their country?

Whatever happened to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?




Oh that's right, that only applies to the poor in order to motivate them to send their sons and daughters to fight and die in unnecessary wars while the sons and daughters of the wealthiest can party it up at college.


I guess the wealthiest Americans seem to always get the tough breaks in life.

Let's not tax them at all so! We owe rich people so much!
(I would compare this to Affirmative Action-- but tax cuts for the wealthiest is special treatment for people who are not disadvantaged, neither is there a risk of their marginilization in our capitalist society.)

coadie 09-12-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962086)
It will cost America 700 Billion dollars in revenue to extend the taxes on the "wealthiest".

I understand the argument that the wealthiest contribute to the national economy-- but not every "wealthy" person contribute to the economy in the way that employs people.

Further, it's in their best interest to invest and grow their companies-- they will do this regardless.

Why shouldn't the wealthy do what they can to help their country?
Whatever happened to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?




Oh that's right, that only applies to the poor in order to motivate them to send their sons and daughters to fight and die in unnecessary wars while the sons and daughters of the wealthiest can party it up at college.


I guess the wealthiest Americans seem to always get the tough breaks in life.

Let's not tax them at all so! We owe rich people so much!
(I would compare this to Affirmative Action-- but tax cuts for the wealthiest is special treatment for people who are not disadvantaged, neither is there a risk of their marginilization in our capitalist society.)

You have a strawman argument by asking why the wealthy can't do for the country.

Thou shalt not steal. Liberal minds think seizing assets and wealth from the wealthy to give to the poor is not theft.

The wealthy man's money is his. It is not yours. It doesn't belong to Obama to give to his pork buddies. It is not property of the poor man.

Under communism, the belief that wealth belongs to those that haven't worked for it is how they start revolution.

coadie 09-12-2010 07:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962086)
It will cost America 700 Billion dollars in revenue to extend the taxes on the "wealthiest".

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Jermyn. It seems yiou can't cut and past accurately and honestly
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Extending those tax cuts for the richest Americans (defined as couples making over $250,000) "is a bad idea," he said, suggesting America cannot afford the $700 billion price tag.
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It will cost more than 700 billion if we eliminate tax cuts.



I think you meant tax cuts instead of taxes.

run to Yahoo and cut and paste political propoganda and tell us you support Obama.
It is not working is it?
You can buy a second hand Samuelson or other freshman econ text book at a garage sale for 2 bucks or less. That would put you ahead of Obama in econ info.

canam 09-12-2010 08:41 PM

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JD remember this when it comes april 15, no deductions for you ,remember ask not what your country can do for you.... also maybe you should blame all the new hires by your buddy otrauma in the justice dept and the irs , they owe something like 38 million in back taxes! But why wouldnt they, when their boss gietner, is one of them

Praxeas 09-12-2010 11:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962042)
Extend the tax cut for the wealthiest, America loses 700 Billion.


"As Henry and I discuss in the accompanying clip, Obama faces a "da--ed if you do, da--ed if you don't" situation: If he tries to do more to stimulate the economy (or even use the word "stimulus") he's labeled a big-spending Democrat with Socialist leanings. But if he focuses on austerity and bringing down the deficit, many economists fear he'll trigger another big downturn and concerns about the banking system, as is occurring in Europe."


Read story and view video below.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...tt_535411.html

How come the "wealtheist" includes those making 200k?

Why do you want to tax them so much? Because they make more money than you?

You know why there will be less tax money? Because NOBODY IS WORKING. You tax the rich more and in this economy they'll lay off more people...welcome to socialism

crakjak 09-12-2010 11:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962042)
Extend the tax cut for the wealthiest, America loses 700 Billion.


"As Henry and I discuss in the accompanying clip, Obama faces a "da--ed if you do, da--ed if you don't" situation: If he tries to do more to stimulate the economy (or even use the word "stimulus") he's labeled a big-spending Democrat with Socialist leanings. But if he focuses on austerity and bringing down the deficit, many economists fear he'll trigger another big downturn and concerns about the banking system, as is occurring in Europe."


Read story and view video below.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...tt_535411.html

If a rich person can't make money with their money in business, they will do other things with it that is taxed less. It is a fact, the higher the tax rate the less business thrives. There has to be incentive for folks with money to risk their money.

Praxeas 09-12-2010 11:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962086)

Further, it's in their best interest to invest and grow their companies-- they will do this regardless.

Why shouldn't the wealthy do what they can to help their country?

Whatever happened to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?




Oh that's right, that only applies to the poor in order to motivate them to send their sons and daughters to fight and die in unnecessary wars while the sons and daughters of the wealthiest can party it up at college.


I guess the wealthiest Americans seem to always get the tough breaks in life.

Let's not tax them at all so! We owe rich people so much!
(I would compare this to Affirmative Action-- but tax cuts for the wealthiest is special treatment for people who are not disadvantaged, neither is there a risk of their marginilization in our capitalist society.)

The wealthy right NOW are already paying MORE taxes than you do, now you want to say "we've bleed you, now if you really were an American you'd let us bleed you more"? Why not raise taxes on everyone equally?

You want to Tax them more but they are already paying MOST of the taxes..they get the tough breaks in life? So let's just beat the crud out of them and steal what is theirs

crakjak 09-12-2010 11:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962086)
It will cost America 700 Billion dollars in revenue to extend the taxes on the "wealthiest".

I understand the argument that the wealthiest contribute to the national economy-- but not every "wealthy" person contribute to the economy in the way that employs people.

Further, it's in their best interest to invest and grow their companies-- they will do this regardless.

Why shouldn't the wealthy do what they can to help their country?

Whatever happened to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?




Oh that's right, that only applies to the poor in order to motivate them to send their sons and daughters to fight and die in unnecessary wars while the sons and daughters of the wealthiest can party it up at college.


I guess the wealthiest Americans seem to always get the tough breaks in life.

Let's not tax them at all so! We owe rich people so much!
(I would compare this to Affirmative Action-- but tax cuts for the wealthiest is special treatment for people who are not disadvantaged, neither is there a risk of their marginilization in our capitalist society.)

That's goofy, JD, the rich are ready paying, not only most of the taxes, they pay at higher rates. The argument about the "poor" fighting the wars is nonsense, the highest percentage of the military is middle and upper middle class. These are tire old arguments that the Demo continue to use and the media doesn't debunk, because they are the fifth column.

BTW: Fortysomething percent of Americans pay NO federal income taxes!!! Who do you think is already paying.

Bowas 09-13-2010 06:04 AM

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Many espouse a rally cry of all Americans should pay their "Fair share." What does that mean?

coadie 09-13-2010 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 962136)
Many espouse a rally cry of all Americans should pay their "Fair share." What does that mean?

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx

Bowas 09-13-2010 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 962145)
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx

Thank you Coadie but I am kind of looking for an explaination that further details "fair share".
Everyone seems to be talking about tax this group, tax that group so surely there is a fair way of taxing and I keep hearing "fair share" so what does that mean?

ILG 09-13-2010 09:04 AM

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I wish they would just say a percentage for everyone and call it good and cut some social programs.

coadie 09-13-2010 10:26 AM

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Read the lie from Obama last week.
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The biggest whopper from Friday is this gem "So these policies of cutting taxes for the wealthiest Americans, of stripping away regulations that protect consumers, running up a record surplus to a record deficit — those policies finally culminated in the worst financial crisis we've had since the Great Depression." No mention of Fannie or Freddie and the housing bubble that was government created. No mention of the skyrocketing energy prices that lit the fuse to the economic meltdown. No mention of the fact that AFTER the taxes were cut, government revenues increased substantially.
He has an uneducated audience that doesn't know it when he fibs.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...he_l_word.html

Jermyn Davidson 09-13-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 962165)
I wish they would just say a percentage for everyone and call it good and cut some social programs.

This approach would make too much sense.

In fact, if they really wanted to make things fair, they would eliminate income taxes all together. Just tax the things that people purchase.

Again, sensibility escapes most when it comes to taxes.

Sam 09-13-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962206)
...
In fact, if they really wanted to make things fair, they would eliminate income taxes all together. Just tax the things that people purchase.
...
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Some would say that is unfair because those who purchase cars or homes or boats would pay more than those who just purchase food and clothing and pay rent.

Jermyn Davidson 09-13-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 962127)
The argument about the "poor" fighting the wars is nonsense, (1) the highest percentage of the military is middle and upper middle class.

BTW: (2) Fortysomething percent of Americans pay NO federal income taxes!!! Who do you think is already paying.


(1) You are mistaken, but maybe you have stats to back your claim up.

(2) For all the good that rich people do, you would think they would employ people and pay them at a wage where they can actually afford to pay taxes. However, I don't believe that 40% of Americans are paying no federal income taxes. Do you have stats?

Jermyn Davidson 09-13-2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 962208)
Some would say that is unfair because those who purchase cars or homes or boats would pay more than those who just purchase food and clothing and pay rent.

Well at least it would be thier choice to buy this or buy that.

Most people have limited abilities when it comes to choosing thier income bracket-- so many "X" factors involved.

Jermyn Davidson 09-13-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 962100)
Jermyn. It seems yiou can't cut and past accurately and honestly
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It will cost more than 700 billion if we eliminate tax cuts.



I think you meant tax cuts instead of taxes.

run to Yahoo and cut and paste political propoganda and tell us you support Obama.
It is not working is it?
You can buy a second hand Samuelson or other freshman econ text book at a garage sale for 2 bucks or less. That would put you ahead of Obama in econ info.



Thanks for catching my mistake.

Sam 09-13-2010 11:25 AM

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A couple things I think are "unfair" is the hangover from when people were divided into "the landed gentry" and "the serfs"

those who own a home are given a tax break because they can claim the interest as untaxable income

those who own a home can use their property to post bond while those who do not own a home must remain incarcerated

Something which I think is government subsidy of religion is that churches do not have to pay taxes on their property like businesses and individuals do

coadie 09-13-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 962223)
A couple things I think are "unfair" is the hangover from when people were divided into "the landed gentry" and "the serfs"

those who own a home are given a tax break because they can claim the interest as untaxable income

those who own a home can use their property to post bond while those who do not own a home must remain incarcerated

Something which I think is government subsidy of religion is that churches do not have to pay taxes on their property like businesses and individuals do

As soon as the gubment taxes religion, they lose separation of church and state. Filling out tax forms for non profits already is over reaching in separation.

Esther 09-13-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 962061)
You do understand that the "wealthy" start business' and employee people. There money is not stuffed in their mattress or in a vault. It's invested in the economy.

:thumbsup

coadie 09-13-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 962206)
This approach would make too much sense.

In fact, if they really wanted to make things fair, they would eliminate income taxes all together. Just tax the things that people purchase.

Again, sensibility escapes most when it comes to taxes.

I was at a speech by Huckabee. He said tax on sales. Well that means drug dealers and prostitutes would pay more tax.

Class envy is a tool used by Marxist, Communist and Socialist to pit the middle class and the rich against each other.

Poor people already see huge tax increases on cigarettes. Obama smokes but he is wealthy.

Bowas 09-13-2010 12:29 PM

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http://www.american.com/archive/2007...pays-the-taxes

I am for fair taxes. Fair is equality right?

Jermyn Davidson 09-13-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 962259)
I was at a speech by Huckabee. He said tax on sales. Well that means drug dealers and prostitutes would pay more tax.

Class envy is a tool used by Marxist, Communist and Socialist to pit the middle class and the rich against each other.

Poor people already see huge tax increases on cigarettes. Obama smokes but he is wealthy.

It's really not about class envy or class warfare.

Jermyn Davidson 09-13-2010 01:42 PM

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Coadie,

Are you against the idea of eliminating the income tax all together to replace that system where only purchased goods are taxed?

Why or why not?

Truthseeker 09-13-2010 01:53 PM

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I think the gov would be more wise on military spending, welfare, disability etc... we wouldn't have to raise taxes. Interesting, I've heard there has been cut backs on school budgets but haven't heard any on welfare.

Jermyn Davidson 09-13-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 962293)
I think the gov would be more wise on military spending, welfare, disability etc... we wouldn't have to raise taxes. Interesting, I've heard there has been cut backs on school budgets but haven't heard any on welfare.

I think I read that spending on "corrections" and for the incarcerated is also high.


The whole system needs to be changed!


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